[Discussion] Akainu and Doflamingo Vs Aokiji and Marco

[Punk Hazard]

Remember when Marco tried to kick Akainu with a Haki laced kick. It was absolutely ineffective against Akainu.

His Haki was ineffective in harming Akainu with a single blow. Doesn't mean successive blows of Haki won't eventually harm Akainu severely, or be incapable of defending against Akainu. Besides, why am I even arguing with you about this, Oda said they aren't hot, end of story.

 

[Love Cook]

Remember when Marco tried to kick Akainu with a Haki laced kick. It was absolutely ineffective against Akainu.

No, it was not because Akainu was cut and he even said, how annoying... Haki users.

It's not like haki is kryptonite to logia users. If logia users also are good at haki they will just maintain their ability. That is why Caribou got stomped by a zoan.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

No, it was not because Akainu was cut and he even said, how annoying... Haki users.

It's not like haki is kryptonite to logia users. If logia users also are good at haki they will just maintain their ability. That is why Caribou got stomped by a zoan.

So you just agreed with me.

 

[Bogard]

Kuzan stalls Akainu when Marco mid diffs Doflamingo and come to doubleganbang Akainu

 

[Punk Hazard]

Kuzan stalls Akainu when Marco mid diffs Doflamingo and come to doubleganbang Akainu

Or Doflamingo restrains Marco mid-flight/dive like he did Jozu by distracting him with Black Knight, or just doing it himself, and joins Sakazuki to gangbang Kuzan.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Or Doflamingo restrains Marco mid-flight/dive like he did Jozu by distracting him with Black Knight, or just doing it himself, and joins Sakazuki to gangbang Kuzan.

Cant Marco just go phoenix form and fly out of the strings since he would be able to regenerate if they cut him?

 

[Bogard]

Or Doflamingo restrains Marco mid-flight/dive like he did Jozu by distracting him with Black Knight, or just doing it himself, and joins Sakazuki to gangbang Kuzan.

I guess parasite is the answer to everything right? Doflamingo will just parasite Shanks and kill him

 

[Punk Hazard]

Cant Marco just go phoenix form and fly out of the strings since he would be able to regenerate if they cut him?

Um, no? The strings restrict movement.

I guess parasite is the answer to everything right? Doflamingo will just parasite Shanks and kill him

I wouldn't say that about Shanks because Shanks>Jozu by story portrayal, so I'd give Shanks the benefit of the doubt of most likely being able to avoid or resist Doflamingo's control, while Marco was portrayed on the same level as Jozu and Jozu was trapped.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Um, no? The strings restrict movement.


I wouldn't say that about Shanks because Shanks>Jozu by story portrayal, so I'd give Shanks the benefit of the doubt of most likely being able to avoid or resist Doflamingo's control, while Marco was portrayed on the same level as Jozu and Jozu was trapped.

He doesn't have to move to go into phoenix form

 

[Bogard]

I wouldn't say that about Shanks because Shanks>Jozu by story portrayal, so I'd give Shanks the benefit of the doubt of most likely being able to avoid or resist Doflamingo's control, while Marco was portrayed on the same level as Jozu and Jozu was trapped.

It's not about portrayal. It's about stats. Jozu is the physical strongest we know yet besides Garp in his prime(likely). So if in your opinion Jozu can't break out of parasite( something i disagree with ), no one can

Besides, Shanks > Marco > Jozu but with even gap between each other in my opinion. They aren't dimension aparts

 

[Punk Hazard]

He doesn't have to move to go into phoenix form

Oh my fuc-
How can he fly up and out of the strings when the strings stop him from moving at all? Christ.

It's not about portrayal. It's about stats. Jozu is the physical strongest we know yet besides Garp in his prime(likely). So if in your opinionJozu can't break out of parasite( i disagree), no one can

Besides, Shanks > Marco > Jozu but with even gap between each other in my opinion. They aren't dimension aparts

Well, if you wanna go that way, feel free to. I say due to the fact that Shanks>Jozu and Marco who are pretty much on the same level to me, I say Shanks can break out while they can't. I know Shanks>Jozu, you know it as well.

 

[Bogard]

Well, if you wanna go that way, feel free to. I say due to the fact that Shanks>Jozu and Marco who are pretty much on the same level to me, I say Shanks can break out while they can't. I know Shanks>Jozu, you know it as well.

I also know Marco > Jozu. And i also say if a physical stronger one than Shanks(Jozu) can't break parasite, Shanks can't. Saying he can but Marco can't when nothing prove he can't is just a biased opinion

 

[Punk Hazard]

I also know Marco > Jozu. And i also say if a physical stronger one than Shanks(Jozu) can't break parasite, Shanks can't. Saying he can but Marco can't when nothing prove he can't is just a biased opinion

What makes Marco>Jozu? Nothing has really indicated either are above the other in overall strength. Both were able to resist Admirals and proceeded to get one-shotted while distracted. If anything, Oda has portrayed them around the same level. Therefore, if Jozu can't escape, Marco can't.

 

[Bogard]

What makes Marco>Jozu? Nothing has really indicated either are above the other in overall strength. Both were able to resist Admirals and proceeded to get one-shotted while distracted. If anything, Oda has portrayed them around the same level. Therefore, if Jozu can't escape, Marco can't.

1- The gorosei and many others consider Marco > Jozu
2- Jozu was the only one one shoted. A distracted Marco still managed to shrug off admirals attack and could continue to fight them until the end. He wasn't the one who ended up handicaped during/after the war
3- Jozu can escape parasite in my opinion(and likely already did it in marineford)
4- A stronger Marco can as well
5- If Jozu can't, Shanks can't because Jozu is physically superior to Shanks

 

[Punk Hazard]

1- The gorosei and many others consider Marco > Jozu
2- Jozu was the only one one shoted. A distracted Marco still managed to shrug off admirals attack and could continue to fight them until the end. He wasn't the one who ended up handicaped during/after the war
3- Jozu can escape parasite in my opinion(and likely already did it in marineford)
4- A stronger Marco can as well
5- If Jozu can't, Shanks can't because Jozu is physically superior to Shanks

1. The Gorosei said The Whitebeard Pirates can stop Teach, which includes Jozu. They singled out Marco because he was WB's right hand man. And please, show me scans of these many others.

2. That was due to the nature of their attackers, not themselves. If Marco was frozen and fell the same way, he would have lost his arm too, and he'd have been taken away while Jozu could fight on.

3. Except he didn't. Your opinion is wrong. Jozu was in the war, where his Nakamas' live were at sake. Ace could have been executed at any moment, and his comrades were in the fight of their lives, many of them losing them, all around him. But no, Jozu, the character who is so serious he's never even once been depicted so much as smiling, is gonna play games and just let himself remain restrained so he can hear his enemies converse. Also, before you say that bullshit about how Sables didn't hurt him so it indicates he escaped and got free, Sables also didn't hurt Luffy and Jimbei when Crocodile blew them away from Akainu.

4. Nothing implies Marco is stronger.

5. It may not be due to mere physical strength. Doflamingo has been shown restraining people with a single string, so Haki is most likely involved, and Shanks' Haki>Jozu's and Marco's. Once again, Shanks>Jozu, so it's safe to assume he can break free/resist.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

1. The Gorosei said The Whitebeard Pirates can stop Teach, which includes Jozu. They singled out Marco because he was WB's right hand man. And please, show me scans of these many others.

2. That was due to the nature of their attackers, not themselves. If Marco was frozen and fell the same way, he would have lost his arm too, and he'd have been taken away while Jozu could fight on.

3. Except he didn't. Your opinion is wrong. Jozu was in the war, where his Nakamas' live were at sake. Ace could have been executed at any moment, and his comrades were in the fight of their lives, many of them losing them, all around him. But no, Jozu, the character who is so serious he's never even once been depicted so much as smiling, is gonna play games and just let himself remain restrained so he can hear his enemies converse. Also, before you say that bullshit about how Sables didn't hurt him so it indicates he escaped and got free, Sables also didn't hurt Luffy and Jimbei when Crocodile blew them away from Akainu.

4. Nothing implies Marco is stronger.

5. It may not be due to mere physical strength. Doflamingo has been shown restraining people with a single string, so Haki is most likely involved, and Shanks' Haki>Jozu's and Marco's. Once again, Shanks>Jozu, so it's safe to assume he can break free/resist.

What makes you think that Jozu's CoA is superior to Marco's. Jozu already has immense physical strength and can turn any part of his body into diamond, which just increases his attack power and durability. Since these two things about him can provide what many people learn CoA for, besides the ability to hit Logias, he could have only learned a little CoA just so that he could hit Logias.

 

[Punk Hazard]

What makes you think that Jozu's CoA is superior to Marco's. Jozu already has immense physical strength and can turn any part of his body into diamond, which just increases his attack power and durability. Since these two things about him can provide what many people learn CoA for, besides the ability to hit Logias, he could have only learned a little CoA just so that he could hit Logias.

I'm so done talking to you like a person.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

I'm so done talking to you like a person.

Great rebuttal.

 

[Bogard]

1. The Gorosei said The Whitebeard Pirates can stop Teach, which includes Jozu. They singled out Marco because he was WB's right hand man. And please, show me scans of these many others.

2. That was due to the nature of their attackers, not themselves. If Marco was frozen and fell the same way, he would have lost his arm too, and he'd have been taken away while Jozu could fight on.

3. Except he didn't. Your opinion is wrong. Jozu was in the war, where his Nakamas' live were at sake. Ace could have been executed at any moment, and his comrades were in the fight of their lives, many of them losing them, all around him. But no, Jozu, the character who is so serious he's never even once been depicted so much as smiling, is gonna play games and just let himself remain restrained so he can hear his enemies converse. Also, before you say that bullshit about how Sables didn't hurt him so it indicates he escaped and got free, Sables also didn't hurt Luffy and Jimbei when Crocodile blew them away from Akainu.

4. Nothing implies Marco is stronger.

5. It may not be due to mere physical strength. Doflamingo has been shown restraining people with a single string, so Haki is most likely involved, and Shanks' Haki>Jozu's and Marco's. Once again, Shanks>Jozu, so it's safe to assume he can break free/resist.

1. They singled him out because he is the strongest just like Shanks singled Marco out to join his crew, just he singled out Marco once again to stop his men(Jozu included) during the war, just like it's Marco who was alongside Shanks during Whitebeard and Ace's funerals and so on.

2. Funny when you first said he was one shoted Lol. Anyway doesn't change the fact that Marco was portrayed in a better light and we don't know if Marco could have managed to evade or break free or not.

3. Doflamingo just asked Crocodile to join him and the chapter later we see them on the same position with Crocodile replying that he won't and just threw his sables attack. There was just a small room not allowing to know whether or not he could have broken free if he wanted. And no, i don't believe Doflamingo could block Jozu for long because if he could he would have done it. Why don't use/kill an enemy if you can? He obviously couldn't

4. Yes he is and denying it is stupid and laughable at best

5. Haki just allow to touch a logia as if he is tangible. It doesn't nullify devil fruit powers like kairoseki. Not to mention, how do you know Shanks' haki superior at Jozu's. For all we know, Jozu's armament haki is stronger. It seemed beasty to me and definitely more impressive than what Shanks displayed so far. All what is impressive about Shanks is his conqueror haki something useless in battle against strong people. So no, Shanks breaking free is just in fanfiction if Jozu or Marco can't

 

[Punk Hazard]

Great rebuttal.

Yeah, no, I didn't reply seriously since you didn't even read my post. I never said Marco's Haki>Jozu's, or vice versa.

1. They singled him out because he is the strongest just like Shanks singled Marco out to join his crew, just he singled out Marco once again to stop his men(Jozu included) during the war, just like it's Marco who was alongside Shanks during Whitebeard and Ace's funerals and so on.

2. Funny when you first said he was one shoted Lol. Anyway doesn't change the fact that Marco was portrayed in a better light and we don't know if Marco could have managed to evade or break free or not.

3. Doflamingo just asked Crocodile to join him and the chapter later we see them on the same position with Crocodile replying that he won't and just threw his sables attack. There was just a small room not allowing to know whether or not he could have broken free if he wanted. And no, i don't believe Doflamingo could block Jozu for long because if he could he would have done it. Why don't use/kill an enemy if you can? He obviously couldn't

4. Yes he is and denying it is stupid and laughable at best

5. Haki just allow to touch a logia as if he is tangible. It doesn't nullify devil fruit powers like kairoseki. Not to mention, how do you know Shanks' haki superior at Jozu's. For all we know, Jozu's armament haki is stronger. It seemed beasty to me and definitely more impressive than what Shanks displayed so far. All what is impressive about Shanks is his conqueror haki something useless in battle against strong people. So no, Shanks breaking free is just in fanfiction if Jozu or Marco can't

1. Like I said, he was singled out because he was WB's right hand man. He was the most notable. Shanks asked him to join his crew as a joke because Marco called out to Shanks. Marco was simply the one that stood out most, doesn't make him the strongest. Key example of this, Usopp stands out the most to Doflamingo right now, due to having that immense bounty and all five stars. Does that mean Usopp>Sabo/Zoro/Luffy/Law?

2. Yeah, they were one-shotted, as in, both were put into critical condition because of one hit. Marco was able to continue fighting due to the fact that the attack he took was limited to the two wounds on his chest and back, which healed. Jozu on the other hand took a more devastating attack. If Marco was frozen, he'd have been out of commission as well.

3. It still makes no sense. Jozu has been portrayed as a no-nonsense guy, there's no way he'd let himself be stalled while his friends die around him, even for brief moments of time, because his enemies are having a conversation he has no interest in. Let's use your logic, if Jozu could have broken out, why didn't he?

4. Still failed to supply irrifutable evidence that indicates this.

5. Because Shanks is a Yonko, while Jozu isn't. His Haki plus diamond coating his fist wasn't even enough to put down Crocodile or do significant damage, but it's gonna be on the same level of a Yonko's? Please. Jozu breaking out is the true fanfiction, he was unable to do so.

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That vein on his head is an indicator of effort, meaning despite effort, he was still restrained by Doflamingo.