[Discussion] Akainu and Doflamingo Vs Aokiji and Marco

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Who has Doflamingo struggled against?
Strugglling is the wrong word. My bad. Doflamingo is having/had trouble putting down Law n' Luffy. Thats a thumbs down if you think Doffy is uber powerful.

Sabo(who I think is stronger than Doffy) couldn't scratch Fujitora who is an admiral. Doflamingo is the weakest link in OT's fight.
 

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Strugglling is the wrong word. My bad. Doflamingo is having/had trouble putting down Law n' Luffy. Thats a thumbs down if you think Doffy is uber powerful.

Sabo(who I think is stronger than Doffy) couldn't scratch Fujitora who is an admiral. Doflamingo is the weakest link in OT's fight.
Actually the Marine report said that Sabo and Fujitora were both too injured to keep on fighting, so your second statement isn't right.

And Doflamingo isn't having any trouble at all, right now Law is at death's door and Luffy is being man handled. Last I checked, they had the upper hand for about two pages and Doffy proceeded to spend much of the next chapter whooping their asses.
 

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And who says physical strength is the requirement to escape or avoid Parasite? What's to say Haki, can't be used to repel it and Jozu's isn't that good?

Who's to say mental willpower isn't the requirement?

Who's to say Logias can't just disperse past the strings, or a strong enough DF like Whitebeard's cant push the strings away, or Aokiji's can't freeze them and make them shatter?

The point is, nothing sets Marco apart from Jozu that would allow you to reason that he can escape or avoid Parasite.

How about you explain how Marco resists, escapes or avoids Parasite?
Once again you're assuming that haki is a counter, and to say Jozu has bad haki is laughable he was able to hurt a Admiral.


Again assumption.


Another assumption, if Mingo is controlling one's body he should be able to stop from from dispersing. If WB can't move his body I don't see how he's pushing away anything.


So your only point which can be argued are the logias dispersing. So using that and applying your logic. Mingo still beats Fujitora, Sengoku and WB and anyone who isn't a logia or has physical below Jozu.
 

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Once again you're assuming that haki is a counter, and to say Jozu has bad haki is laughable he was able to hurt a Admiral.


Again assumption.


Another assumption, if Mingo is controlling one's body he should be able to stop from from dispersing. If WB can't move his body I don't see how he's pushing away anything.


So your only point which can be argued are the logias dispersing. So using that and applying your logic. Mingo still beats Fujitora, Sengoku and WB and anyone who isn't a logia or has physical below Jozu.
I could just as easily say you're just assuming brute strength is the way to go and assuming that Haki isn't the counter. It works both ways.

Not necessarily. Nothing says a person can't transform while under control. And WB could counter by Parasite by releasing passive Quakes around his body, just like what he did to escape Aokiji's ice encasement.

Nothing suggests Jozu's Haki in some great level. Did you ever stop to think maybe he barely trained his Haki because he has his diamond powers to strengthen his blows? Nothing indicates Jozu's Haki>Marco's. You're also making assumptions by saying his Haki isn't weak. Me saying he has Haki to touch Logias and relies on his diamond to do most of the injuring holds just as much merit as you saying he has strong Haki.
 

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I could just as easily say you're just assuming brute strength is the way to go and assuming that Haki isn't the counter. It works both ways.

Not necessarily. Nothing says a person can't transform while under control. And WB could counter by Parasite by releasing passive Quakes around his body, just like what he did to escape Aokiji's ice encasement.

Nothing suggests Jozu's Haki in some great level. Did you ever stop to think maybe he barely trained his Haki because he has his diamond powers to strengthen his blows? Nothing indicates Jozu's Haki>Marco's. You're also making assumptions by saying his Haki isn't weak. Me saying he has Haki to touch Logias and relies on his diamond to do most of the injuring holds just as much merit as you saying he has strong Haki.
Well against Mingo has been able to freely control the physically and only stop the movement of the stronger people. Hence Bellamy he's able to freely move about while he could only stop Jozus' and Sanji's movement.


Nothing suggest Jozu haki is good. He was able to hurt Kuzan, and Kuzan's haki is good enough to hurt Akainu who shrugged off attacks Marco and Visat, so to say Jozu's haki is bad is laughable.

Again going by your logic Mingo still beats Shanks, Mihawk and anybody else who isn't a logia, has a good DF or great physical strength.
 

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Well against Mingo has been able to freely control the physically and only stop the movement of the stronger people. Hence Bellamy he's able to freely move about while he could only stop Jozus' and Sanji's movement.


Nothing suggest Jozu haki is good. He was able to hurt Kuzan, and Kuzan's haki is good enough to hurt Akainu who shrugged off attacks Marco and Visat, so to say Jozu's haki is bad is laughable.

Again going by your logic Mingo still beats Shanks, Mihawk and anybody else who isn't a logia, has a good DF or great physical strength.
Nope. You don't have a goddamn clue what I've been saying. Jozu's level and below=trapped. Meaning, if you can't defeat Jozu, you're trapped. Even if those guys are less physically strong, they beat Jozu, so I'd never say they get caught.

Nothing suggests that it's just brute strength, Marco hasn't shown anything that puts him above or below Jozu, end of story.
 

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Actually the Marine report said that Sabo and Fujitora were both too injured to keep on fighting, so your second statement isn't right.

And Doflamingo isn't having any trouble at all, right now Law is at death's door and Luffy is being man handled. Last I checked, they had the upper hand for about two pages and Doffy proceeded to spend much of the next chapter whooping their asses.
Do u even read the manga or not? We saw fujitora completely unscathed at the royal plateu after the Sabo fight, and again we saw how fuji told Sabo his true intentions of not wanting to fight because the whole fuji vs Sabo fight was done because fuji wanted to use that as an excuse for him not stopping the SH crew, for the same reason is the report done to the marines, that false report that they are too injured to fight was again used as an excuse to be told on the MHQ, as even maynard was completely surprised by the fact that fuji couldnt beat Sabo, Maynard knew fuji can beat him that he couldnt belive the words of the soldiers, if u actually believed the words of the marine soldier than I will say again do u even read the manga, or do u take everything so literally, that even after seeing fujitora unscathed at the royal plateu u stick on beliving the marines report?
 
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Do u even read the manga or not? We saw fujitora completely unscathed at the royal plateu after the Sabo fight, and again we saw how fuji told Sabo his true intentions of not wanting to fight because the whole fuji vs Sabo fight was done because fuji wanted to use that as an excuse for him not stopping the SH crew, for the same reason is the report done to the marines, that false report that they are too injured to fight was again used as an excuse to be told on the MHQ, as even maynard was completely surprised by the fact that fuji couldnt beat Sabo, Maynard knew fuji can beat him that he couldnt belive the words of the soldiers, if u actually believed the words of the marine soldier than I will say again do u even read the manga, or do u take everything so literally, that even after seeing fujitora unscathed at the royal plateu u stick on beliving the marines report?
Oda is super inconsistent with damage marks. Just look at Vergo vs Law ft Smoker, Vergo went from Counter Shock giving a face full of blood, to little blood to even more blood all on the same page. How do you know the Marines didn't just clean him up?

Why Fujitora call liars the trash of the world then go and lie himself? He hasn't shown to be a hypocrite, so it's highly unlikely he'd say such harsh things about deceivers then go and deceive the Marines himself.

Manga>you.
 

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Oda is super inconsistent with damage marks. Just look at Vergo vs Law ft Smoker, Vergo went from Counter Shock giving a face full of blood, to little blood to even more blood all on the same page. How do you know the Marines didn't just clean him up?

Why Fujitora call liars the trash of the world then go and lie himself? He hasn't shown to be a hypocrite, so it's highly unlikely he'd say such harsh things about deceivers then go and deceive the Marines himself.

Manga>you.
If ur brain works even a little than u can understand these words a little and not take things too literally, fuk read this, it completely explains the reason of the war and fujis motives:





Leater we already see that the fight meet its end and fuji has gone up to the royal plateu to protect king riku, on the same page we see an wounded king riku but nothing on fujitora not even dirt, if u cant understand the motives of fuji on dressrosa and the hate the guy has build up for the shichi than ur a lost cause.



Not everything needs to be said directly in the manga for the readers to understand the situation, and not everything written by Oda is a true statement going by that then:



Luffy is a 8 meter giant.

Ur a funny guy, u know.
 
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If ur brain works even a little than u can understand these words a little and not take things too literally, fuk read this, it completely explains the reason of the war and fujis motives:





Leater we already see that the fight meet its end and fuji has gone up to the royal plateu to protect king riku, on the same page we see an wounded king riku but nothing on fujitora not even dirt, if u cant understand the motives of fuji on dressrosa and the hate the guy has build up for the shichi than ur a lost cause.



Not everything needs to be said directly in the manga for the readers to understand the situation, and not everything written by Oda is a true statement going by that then:



Luffy is a 8 meter giant.

Ur a funny guy, u know.
I understand there are things you don't take literally, but there are things you do take literally. For example, someone calling Garp a vice admiral. There are scans calling Garp a vice admiral, saying Enel was the ruler of Skypeia, saying Luffy is the captain of the Strawhats, do we ignore those and not take them literally? No, there are things that are true, and things that are false, just saying their false isn't good enough.

I understand Fuji's character and the hate he carries for pirates ans Shichibukai. None of that means he and Sabo didn't injure each other, then he parted ways with Sabo, got cleaned up and went to the plateua to rendezvous with Riku. How do you know he didn't meet up with his Marine force, got cleaned up and looked at which is how they know he's too injured to fight, and then went to meet up with Riku? How do you know he didn't decided to put his faith in Luffy because he's too injured to go and get rid of Doffy himself and because of his talk with Sabo? You don't. At this point, what I've just said holds more merit than Fujitora deceiving the Marines and just sitting back because:

1. As you said, he hates the Shichibukai. Why wouldn't he go assist Luffy if he WASNT injured?

2. He called the deceivers in the casino trash of the world, and he values integrity, why would he go on and willingly be what he called trash?
 

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Oda is super inconsistent with damage marks. Just look at Vergo vs Law ft Smoker, Vergo went from Counter Shock giving a face full of blood, to little blood to even more blood all on the same page. How do you know the Marines didn't just clean him up?

Why Fujitora call liars the trash of the world then go and lie himself? He hasn't shown to be a hypocrite, so it's highly unlikely he'd say such harsh things about deceivers then go and deceive the Marines himself.

Manga>you.
Lmao, He was injured to an extent where he can't even fight any more and yet his wounds disappeared just because marines cleaned them? hmm

This is why I said that don't post arguments for the sake of arguing.
 

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Lmao, He was injured to an extent where he can't even fight any more and yet his wounds disappeared just because marines cleaned them? hmm

This is why I said that don't post arguments for the sake of arguing.
You're confused on the concept of cleaning and dressing wounds? Figures I guess.

It's the same as Sanji having no visible wounds right now despite just fighting Doflamingo because he got Chopper to dress him and the same reason the bruises Vergo got on his face from Sanji vanished completely while flying to the SAD room.

How about you step out of your box more?
 
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I understand there are things you don't take literally, but there are things you do take literally. For example, someone calling Garp a vice admiral. There are scans calling Garp a vice admiral, saying Enel was the ruler of Skypeia, saying Luffy is the captain of the Strawhats, do we ignore those and not take them literally? No, there are things that are true, and things that are false, just saying their false isn't good enough.

I understand Fuji's character and the hate he carries for pirates ans Shichibukai. None of that means he and Sabo didn't injure each other, then he parted ways with Sabo, got cleaned up and went to the plateua to rendezvous with Riku. How do you know he didn't meet up with his Marine force, got cleaned up and looked at which is how they know he's too injured to fight, and then went to meet up with Riku? How do you know he didn't decided to put his faith in Luffy because he's too injured to go and get rid of Doffy himself and because of his talk with Sabo? You don't. At this point, what I've just said holds more merit than Fujitora deceiving the Marines and just sitting back because:

1. As you said, he hates the Shichibukai. Why wouldn't he go assist Luffy if he WASNT injured?

2. He called the deceivers in the casino trash of the world, and he values integrity, why would he go on and willingly be what he called trash?
I may be going off topic a bit here but myahh, anyway u dont seem to understand the character of fujitora nor his intentions as a marine admiral.

U are messing things again, a citation as to someones name, title, or even the work someone does is something u take literally, but not the words spouted by characters around, fujitora had his eye set on doflamingo from the start:



But as doflamingo said, fuji does not have anything to prove but just wild accusations and nor does he have the authority to do anything to doflamingo as of now.

Even when he got the call from sakazuki that the doflamingo leaving the shichi was just a false report and even the panel im gonna show, its where fujitora gets a glimpse of the authority and power doflamingo hold inside the WG.



First here we get the real reason fuji really joined the marines and what he intends to do on dressrosa too, fujitoras main objective as a marine admiral is the abolition of the shichi system, he sees the shichi as nothing more than people who misuse the amnesty granted by the WG for destroying and hijacking countrys an such, as he mentions the case of crocodile too, he even threatens dofla that if the system comes to be destroyed than the price on dofla would rise and he would get hunted down, but seeing how dofla still got the authority as a former CD who has the power to call upon forth the CP0, who are in direct order from the CD's and still in power as a shichi then fuji has nothing on dofla and he tells him how fuji is going to be corrupted himself on turning an blind eye on every dirty shit doflamingo does during the time being, but he tells that just for now, as even dofla says " Kill me while u can ".

Here goes down ur theory of thinking that fujitorais a guy who never does dirty works or other things, he actually ignores anything that will happen to the country be it killing or anything by turning a blind eye on everything because that's what he got ordered to do by his higher ups.







Here maynard thinks that doflamingo should be stripped of his title and be arrested by the marines, but fujitora sticks to his main plan of destroying the whole shichi system and not just arresting one or two, which would result in another shichibukai who would abuse again the title, the only way to stop these things done by certain pirates is to destroy the whole shichi system and then there would be no abuse of countrys throughout the world, this is actually the meaning of fujitora's quote to maynard, that he even compares world government, an orgaization who tries to play the role of god, which is completely the opposite of it, as even the citizens itself are filled with rage because of the high corruption of the WG.





Even here Sabo tells fujitora that he is acting oblivious and is plotting something and intends to make fujitora act serious and fight seriously during their fight and not fool around ( Here we see an beaten up Sabo with scratches and bruises all over his body while showing Sabo huffing around at a non-serious fuji who came to this fight to use it as an excuse of not helping the hateful doflamingo).





1. He despises the shichi and its his main reason for becoming a marine, he doesnt help luffy because here on this scan u can see that fujitora thinks that marines cannot be heroes on this island and that fuji somehow breaks his promise of helping doflamingo and breaks the law of marines of helping a CD, but instead he leave it in the mercy of pirates, seeing at as a dangerous move Sabo asks fuji what is someone knew hsi real motive Issho calls it a gamble and goes to the royal plateu and places his bet on luffy, a rogue who has all the rights to crush an shichi and a CD in behalf of issho.







If Fujitora ever had the authority to attack doflamingo than he would crush him into oblivion, if fuji was someone who acts on his own whim like sakazuki than we would have a roasted flamingo stew tonight, but the guy rather stays true to his intentions, and let a pirate to crush doflamingo and his regime.
 
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I may be going off topic a bit here but myahh, anyway u dont seem to understand the character of fujitora nor his intentions as a marine admiral.

U are messing things again, a citation as to someones name, title, or even the work someone does is something u take literally, but not the words spouted by characters around, fujitora had his eye set on doflamingo from the start:



But as doflamingo said, fuji does not have anything to prove but just wild accusations and nor does he have the authority to do anything to doflamingo as of now.

Even when he got the call from sakazuki that the doflamingo leaving the shichi was just a false report and even the panel im gonna show, its where fujitora gets a glimpse of the authority and power doflamingo hold inside the WG.



First here we get the real reason fuji really joined the marines and what he intends to do on dressrosa too, fujitoras main objective as a marine admiral is the abolition of the shichi system, he sees the shichi as nothing more than people who misuse the amnesty granted by the WG for destroying and hijacking countrys an such, as he mentions the case of crocodile too, he even threatens dofla that if the system comes to be destroyed than the price on dofla would rise and he would get hunted down, but seeing how dofla still got the authority as a former CD who has the power to call upon forth the CP0, who are in direct order from the CD's and still in power as a shichi then fuji has nothing on dofla and he tells him how fuji is going to be corrupted himself on turning an blind eye on every dirty shit doflamingo does during the time being, but he tells that just for now, as even dofla says " Kill me while u can ".

Here goes down ur theory of thinking that fujitorais a guy who never does dirty works or other things, he actually ignores anything that will happen to the country be it killing or anything by turning a blind eye on everything because that's what he got ordered to do by his higher ups.







Here maynard thinks that doflamingo should be stripped of his title and be arrested by the marines, but fujitora sticks to his main plan of destroying the whole shichi system and not just arresting one or two, which would result in another shichibukai who would abuse again the title, the only way to stop these things done by certain pirates is to destroy the whole shichi system and then there would be no abuse of countrys throughout the world, this is actually the meaning of fujitora's quote to maynard, that he even compares world government, an orgaization who tries to play the role of god, which is completely the opposite of it, as even the citizens itself are filled with rage because of the high corruption of the WG.





Even here Sabo tells fujitora that he is acting oblivious and is plotting something and intends to make fujitora act serious and fight seriously during their fight and not fool around ( Here we see an beaten up Sabo with scratches and bruises all over his body while showing Sabo huffing around at a non-serious fuji who came to this fight to use it as an excuse of not helping the hateful doflamingo).





1. He despises the shichi and its his main reason for becoming a marine, he doesnt help luffy because here on this scan u can see that fujitora thinks that marines cannot be heroes on this island and that fuji somehow breaks his promise of helping doflamingo and breaks the law of marines of helping a CD, but instead he leave it in the mercy of pirates, seeing at as a dangerous move Sabo asks fuji what is someone knew hsi real motive Issho calls it a gamble and goes to the royal plateu and places his bet on luffy, a rogue who has all the rights to crush an shichi and a CD in behalf of issho.







If Fujitora ever had the authority to attack doflamingo than he would crush him into oblivion, if fuji was someone who acts on his own whim like sakazuki than we would have a roasted flamingo stew tonight, but the guy rather stays true to his intentions, and let a pirate to crush doflamingo and his regime.
The fact that Fujitora wants the shichibukai system done away with doesn't explain why he would wouldn't go after Doflamingo, it's quite the contrary. Like you said, he didn't have enough proof to go after Doffy, so he had to hang back. He agreed to let things rest for the time being because he couldnt touch Doffy then, but he clearly showed full intention of handling Doffy for these things later. He didnt plan on letting it all slide, he was just gonna handle it later.

Your claim that Fuji wouldnt strip Doffy of his Shichibukai title and arrest him is incorrect. He stripped Law of his title and attempted to arrest him on the spot because he had clear evidence of Law doing something that he could arrest him for. Doffy was a slippery slope. There goes about half of your argument. You have no proof that Fuji didn't intend on waiting for more evidence and being completely sure of what Doffy was doing before he went to get him.

Right after full evidence became clear, AKA Doffy's confession when he announced the stars and bounties on his enemies, Fuji was intercepted by Sabo. You have no proof that he didnt intend to go after Doffy and the Marine report isnt true.

I never said Fuji never does anything dirty, I said he isn't a deceiver.
 

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Nope. You don't have a goddamn clue what I've been saying. Jozu's level and below=trapped. Meaning, if you can't defeat Jozu, you're trapped. Even if those guys are less physically strong, they beat Jozu, so I'd never say they get caught.

Nothing suggests that it's just brute strength, Marco hasn't shown anything that puts him above or below Jozu, end of story.

Where the proof to say that, the only logical thing to guess it that physical strength breaks out of it. top changin your argument, if Jozu can't break out of Parasite by your logic neither can Shanks,


What is it then because he's binding by strings what else would it be? Mraco has portrayal which outs him as the 2nd strongest WB pirate, lol plus his performance against the Admirals. Jozu goes against one Admiral and loses a arm in a second, Marco faces 3 and comes out pretty much fine.
 

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Where the proof to say that, the only logical thing to guess it that physical strength breaks out of it. top changin your argument, if Jozu can't break out of Parasite by your logic neither can Shanks,


What is it then because he's binding by strings what else would it be? Mraco has portrayal which outs him as the 2nd strongest WB pirate, lol plus his performance against the Admirals. Jozu goes against one Admiral and loses a arm in a second, Marco faces 3 and comes out pretty much fine.
I never changed my argument, you are failing to comprehend it. stop saying that's my logic, its your BS logic. I don't think physical strength is all it takes to escape Parasite. It can't be because, like you said, if it's about brute strength and Jozu can't break out, then multiple top tiers couldn't break out either because he has shown the greatest strength feat, and we know Doflamingo can't catch the top tiers, so its not just brute strength. End of story. We've even seen him control people with a single string to their necks, so how is it brute strength?
 
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