[Discussion] Akainu and Doflamingo Vs Aokiji and Marco

[Uzumaki Macho]

Yeah, no, I didn't reply seriously since you didn't even read my post. I never said Marco's Haki>Jozu's, or vice versa.

1. Like I said, he was singled out because he was WB's right hand man. He was the most notable. Shanks asked him to join his crew as a joke because Marco called out to Shanks. Marco was simply the one that stood out most, doesn't make him the strongest. Key example of this, Usopp stands out the most to Doflamingo right now, due to having that immense bounty and all five stars. Does that mean Usopp>Sabo/Zoro/Luffy/Law?

2. Yeah, they were one-shotted, as in, both were put into critical condition because of one hit. Marco was able to continue fighting due to the fact that the attack he took was limited to the two wounds on his chest and back, which healed. Jozu on the other hand took a more devastating attack. If Marco was frozen, he'd have been out of commission as well.

3. It still makes no sense. Jozu has been portrayed as a no-nonsense guy, there's no way he'd let himself be stalled while his friends die around him, even for brief moments of time, because his enemies are having a conversation he has no interest in. Let's use your logic, if Jozu could have broken out, why didn't he?

4. Still failed to supply irrifutable evidence that indicates this.

5. Because Shanks is a Yonko, while Jozu isn't. His Haki plus diamond coating his fist wasn't even enough to put down Crocodile or do significant damage, but it's gonna be on the same level of a Yonko's? Please. Jozu breaking out is the true fanfiction, he was unable to do so.

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That vein on his head is an indicator of effort, meaning despite effort, he was still restrained by Doflamingo.

Oops I meant to put equal instead of superior, but that still doesn't change the point of my post.

 

[VongolaX]

Akoji and Marco wins obviously

Marco is way stronger than Doffy, and Akoji stalemate Akainu for ten days.

Marco would just knock down Doffy and team up with Akoji to take out Akainu.

Even in reverse, Marco can survive against Akainu like he did in the marineford.

By then Akoji will one-shot Doffy and shortly team up with Marco.

 

[bajram]

Or Doflamingo restrains Marco mid-flight/dive like he did Jozu by distracting him with Black Knight, or just doing it himself, and joins Sakazuki to gangbang Kuzan.

Doflamingo isnt restraining luffy or law with parasite because he cant even though luffy is a sitting duck, ur logic is flawed if u think dofla can jsut control WB's strongest fighters, I can see u saying DOfla parasite WB GG, really man? I knew dofla was wanked but not to this extend, its unreal how ppl think dofla can parasite marco, the only time we saw him parasite someone was jozu while he was off guard it was never shown him being able to parasite other ppl in which he was directly fighting, nor luffy nor law nor crocodile, oh but if the string clone is going to distract the enemy and doffy is going to parasite them, then doffy > OP verse, that sounds reasonable.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Pretty much equal, tho, I would lean toward team 2, 6/10 times.

I found gap between Doflamingo and Marco to be bigger than gap between Aokiji and Akainu.

 

[A v i]

How does Marco break out of Doflamingo's strings when Jozu couldn't, and Jozu has shown greater strength than Marco?

The only way I actually see Marco beating Doflamingo is if Kuzan releases a massive freeze wave, and Marco smashes him in those few seconds he's breaking out. Akainu probably won't intercept Marco's attacks on Doflamingo either.

I agree with the fact that if Jozu can't then Marco can't break it. But,Law as well as Luffy are following his strings and deflecting them with no problem so I can't see why Marco can't do the same. Jozu wasn't fighting Joker in a one on one. He was trying to attack Croc-kun and Joker caught him off guard otherwise he would have avoided it.

 

[ultraChalk]

Marco was already stated to be capable of beating Blackbeard, Mingos name wasn't mentioned there. This (as well as his rank on WB's ship) leads me to believe him>Mingo, mid/high diff.

Aokiji is the strongest marine to ever live, so him>Aokiji. We don't know the circumstances of their fight.

 

[-Akuma-]

LMAO Team Kuzan wins med-high-dif. Parasite isn't beating Marco.

 

[U mAd]

aokiji AND marco high diff

akainu vs aokiji extreme diff akainu

marco vs doffy midd diff marco

 

[A v i]

Marco was already stated to be capable of beating Blackbeard, Mingos name wasn't mentioned there. This (as well as his rank on WB's ship) leads me to believe him>Mingo, mid/high diff.

Aokiji is the strongest marine to ever live, so him>Aokiji. We don't know the circumstances of their fight.

It is Akainu and WTF? Akainu is the strongest to ever live? where did u get that nonsense?

 

[jiraiya lives]

It is Akainu and WTF? Akainu is the strongest to ever live? where did u get that nonsense?

Not the strongest to ever live but it was stated that Aokiji was the strongest person in the marines currently during the time he was introduced after water 7/Ennies lobby.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Doflamingo isnt restraining luffy or law with parasite because he cant even though luffy is a sitting duck, ur logic is flawed if u think dofla can jsut control WB's strongest fighters, I can see u saying DOfla parasite WB GG, really man? I knew dofla was wanked but not to this extend, its unreal how ppl think dofla can parasite marco, the only time we saw him parasite someone was jozu while he was off guard it was never shown him being able to parasite other ppl in which he was directly fighting, nor luffy nor law nor crocodile, oh but if the string clone is going to distract the enemy and doffy is going to parasite them, then doffy > OP verse, that sounds reasonable.

To your asinine assumption: No, I wouldn't say Doffy could Parasite WB or any other top-tiers like him. If it's reasonable to assume that character X is stronger than Jozu, then I'll say they can most likely escape or avoid Parasite. Marco hasn't been portrayed as stronger than Jozu. In fact, Marco has been portrayed as weaker as, unlike Jozu, he was unable to cause any visible damage to an Admiral, but we don't know that for sure, so I put them around the same level. That makes it more reasonable to assume Marco can be caught than can't.

As for why Doffy hasn't been trying to catch Law and Luffy, it's the same reason to explain these:

1. Why didn't Kizaru shoot Luffy in the face instead of Ace's key or instead of kicking him?

2. Why didn't Aokiji, Kizaru and Akainu launch their strongest moves simultaneously against Whitebeard's ship when they all noticed it about to come up?

3. Why didn't Crocodile use Barchan or his ability to absorb moisture during his third fight with Luffy?

4. Why didn't Akainu plunge his magma fist through the middle of WB's face instead of striking him in the chest when his illness made him falter?

5. Why didn't they execute Ace immediately after revealing he was Roger's son?

6. Why didn't Sengoku himself go to stop Luffy when he was on the bridge Inazuma made?

7. Why didn't Rayleigh bifurcate or decapitate Kizaru instead of cutting his Yata Mirror path, or slice off his leg instead of kicking it away?

8. Why didn't Aokiji kill the entire SH crew when he had the chance?

9. Why didn't WB slice through Kizaru's head with his Haki-laced Bisento instead of slicing into his body with no Haki?

And the answer isn't because they can't, it's because of plot.

What's unreasonable is you saying Doflamingo can't control Law and Luffy who are both inferior to Jozu, despite the fact that he can control Jozu.

Nothing indicates Doffy can't control Marco.

I agree with the fact that if Jozu can't then Marco can't break it. But,Law as well as Luffy are following his strings and deflecting them with no problem so I can't see why Marco can't do the same. Jozu wasn't fighting Joker in a one on one. He was trying to attack Croc-kun and Joker caught him off guard otherwise he would have avoided it.
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Because Joker can't turn it into a 2 vs 1 with Black Knight.

 

[A v i]

Because Joker can't turn it into a 2 vs 1 with Black Knight.

Adding fodder clones changes nothing, Marco isn't your random fodder to think he can be fooled by black night.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Adding fodder clones changes nothing, Marco isn't your random fodder to think he can be fooled by black night.

The clone that's trashing Luffy is fodder? What fanfic at you reading?

 

[A v i]

The clone that's trashing Luffy is fodder? What fanfic at you reading?

Against someone that can hold his own against an admiral? Yes,It is a fodder clone.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Against someone that can hold his own against an admiral? Yes,It is a fodder clone.

And Doflamingo can't? He broke out of the attack that defeated Jozu, who could stall an Admiral and slightly injure him, indicating Doffy>Jozu.

 

[A v i]

And Doflamingo can't? He broke out of the attack that defeated Jozu, who could stall an Admiral and slightly injure him, indicating Doffy>Jozu.

What are u implying here? Did I said that Joker is fodder when compared to Marco? I admit that breaking out of Aokiji's ice is impressive but I don't think it would make him stronger than Jozu. Aokiji wasn't even trying against Joker.

My point is that tricks such as black knight aren't much of a help for Joker against someone of Marco's caliber.

 

[U mAd]

And Doflamingo can't? He broke out of the attack that defeated Jozu, who could stall an Admiral and slightly injure him, indicating Doffy>Jozu.

aokiji was just standing around when he froze jozu.he wasn't serious,against jozu he was dead serious.and whats doffy gonna do to jozu.cut him.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

To your asinine assumption: No, I wouldn't say Doffy could Parasite WB or any other top-tiers like him. If it's reasonable to assume that character X is stronger than Jozu, then I'll say they can most likely escape or avoid Parasite. Marco hasn't been portrayed as stronger than Jozu. In fact, Marco has been portrayed as weaker as, unlike Jozu, he was unable to cause any visible damage to an Admiral, but we don't know that for sure, so I put them around the same level. That makes it more reasonable to assume Marco can be caught than can't.

As for why Doffy hasn't been trying to catch Law and Luffy, it's the same reason to explain these:

1. Why didn't Kizaru shoot Luffy in the face instead of Ace's key or instead of kicking him?

2. Why didn't Aokiji, Kizaru and Akainu launch their strongest moves simultaneously against Whitebeard's ship when they all noticed it about to come up?

3. Why didn't Crocodile use Barchan or his ability to absorb moisture during his third fight with Luffy?

4. Why didn't Akainu plunge his magma fist through the middle of WB's face instead of striking him in the chest when his illness made him falter?

5. Why didn't they execute Ace immediately after revealing he was Roger's son?

6. Why didn't Sengoku himself go to stop Luffy when he was on the bridge Inazuma made?

7. Why didn't Rayleigh bifurcate or decapitate Kizaru instead of cutting his Yata Mirror path, or slice off his leg instead of kicking it away?

8. Why didn't Aokiji kill the entire SH crew when he had the chance?

9. Why didn't WB slice through Kizaru's head with his Haki-laced Bisento instead of slicing into his body with no Haki?

And the answer isn't because they can't, it's because of plot.

What's unreasonable is you saying Doflamingo can't control Law and Luffy who are both inferior to Jozu, despite the fact that he can control Jozu.

Nothing indicates Doffy can't control Marco.



Because Joker can't turn it into a 2 vs 1 with Black Knight.

1. Kizaru is a troll
2. The WB pirates would have just countered it. Marco blocks Yasakani no Magatama. WB counters Dai Funka. Jozu counters Aokiji's attack.
5. The execution had a scheduled time.
6. Garp already went. Sengoku didn't expect Garp to get knocked off.
7. If he killed Kizaru then, after the war, a large Marine force would chase after him and the SHs for being involved in killing an admiral.
8. He was repaying Luffy by not killing him or his crew for saving Alabasta.

 

[-Akuma-]

This Parastie thing is ridiculous, Jozu is most likely physically stronger than every Admiral. So by this logic Mingo beats everyone bar WB, Garp, and Shanks.

 

[Bogard]

This Parastie thing is ridiculous, Jozu is most likely physically than every Admiral. So by this logic Mingo beats everyone bar WB, Garp, and Shanks.

Parasite is simply a overrated move until Oda will show the counter of it hopefully during this fight and Doffy wankers will shut the fuck up. Thinking it would work against Marco/Jozu and above when they are on-guard is ridiculous. Like i've already said, Jozu is likely the physical strongest(outside Garp), so if it really worked on him, it would work against anyone else

aokiji was just standing around when he froze jozu.he wasn't serious,against jozu he was dead serious.and whats doffy gonna do to jozu.cut him.

Thank you. Tired of these stupid arguments