Sasuke wants to be a dictator, simple as that. Not even a significant fraction of the world would agree with his plan, and the best case would be everyone following him out of fear and fear alone because he's shown that the only solution he has to any problem at all is to kill someone or destroy something.
Agree or nah? "Sasukes an idiot..."
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AlphaScythian
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There are nnds to call Sasuke a tyrant.
You are way too biased to have any constructive debate on the matter.
He wants to kill all of the current leaders and become the sole leader himself, while simultaneously destroying the power sources that could potentially give anyone in the world the means to fight back against him, and of course no one in the world in their right mind would follow him unless he forced them to with fear. If you can call that anything but a tyrant I'd like to hear it.
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lets see if you have a good reason to back that up
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how? because he left the village? he had a goal and achieve and did what was best for himself, he put his family over them and rightly so.
are you stupid?so he shouldnt seek to kill the person who killed his parents and everyone in his clan? not to mention that is what itachi wanted, all in all a retarded point.
false, he was there for danzo and danzo only, he had no business with the kages and he never attacked them, never planned to but unfortunately zetsu gave his location away hence he had to battle as they attacked him.
he never consider obito an ally(said that to his face a couple of times) and was only with him for his own benefits, he was using the akatsuki for his own gain.
that was wrong
and indirectly as a result of that the alliance ass was saved as the resurrected minato warped away the juubi dama in time. he revived oro for answers and once he got them, decided to enter the battlefield with the hokages which aided the alliance in enormous proportions, nothing but good came out of it.
because of what their elders did to his brother and clan, he was repaying them with an eye for an eye, in the end did he destroy the village? no.
bcause he wants to demonstrate what a true kage is, he wants to make sure conflicts and wars never happens again hence his plan to abolish the system. his reasoning for wanting to become hokage is noble
because from his POV they represent the twisted system he wants to abolish, its not personal although i dont agree with him, just stating his reasoning
unfortunately your post was biased garbage and ultimately a fail.
OT. hes taking a different approach to fix something that has remained broken resulting in 4 wars which have caused massive bloodshed. hes no idiot, just a shinobi who doesnt believe in fairytails of love and cooperation and understanding as a way to peace(i know kishi is going make him understand, i hope not}, hes allowed to have his own ideals.
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Killing the guy who killed your family is stupid? The kages attacked Sasuke.Did you noy see the Raikage search for Sasuke,find him and attack him right after Zetsu said he was there? Did you not see Gaara go to Sasuke and attack aswell? When Sasuke got to the Kages room,saw that Danzo wasn't there and began to head to the exit - did the Mizukage not block the exit? Sasuke even said to not get in his way,clearly he didn't want to fight them.Did the Mizukage not continously attack Sasuke after that? And did the Tschikage not launch his Dust Technique at Sasuke while Sasuke didn't attack him at all?
Didn't reviving Orochimaru lead to the Kages being summoned and saving the whole alliance?Plus lead to Sasuke getting hi s answers and deciding to protect Konoha rather than destroy it?Deos he not want to become Hokage so he can change the system and make sure no one geos through what he amd his family did?
Did Sasuke truly team up and cooperate with Obito? Or was he planning on using him like he said in chapter 411 page 5,and 482 page 10?
And what deos he want to do as a dictator? Change the world and sytem for the better.
Mind control isn't telling someone stuff and them deciding on their own to do things.Mind control would be like Genjutsu,forcibly controlling someone,Like Sasuke did on that Cloud guy in chapter 408,and Zetsu in Chapter 574.
Gaara did believe Yashamaru was the only person who cared for him.His father,siblings and everyone else obvoiusly didn't,so he knew.He did find joy in killing,yes he was messed up but it please him,it made him feel alive.Or did he not look happy when he was fighting Lee,or getting hyped up from the though of killing Sasuke.Did he not go after Lee in the Hospital because he enjoyed killing? Or Naruto and Shikamaru when he saw them? Did he not enjoy ahving Sakura captured? Did he like Fighting Sasuke and attempting to kill him in the forest?
Sasuke deosn't really want to change the Shinobi world? Overthrowing the old messed up system which led to 4 Wars and countless death isn't change for the better?
Im not saying everything Sasuke has done is good,but its understandable.Most people get mad if someone calls them a name,disagrees with them,steps on there shoe,yet Sasuke being angered over his families massacre is complained about.
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Sasuke has done the exact same things. He did business with the akatsuki and even joined them.Sure, he is an idiot because he wanna get rid of the kages that used their powers to make war and even did business with Akatsuki.
Poor kages, such good humans.
If the kages are unfit leaders because of this, Then sasuke must take a good look at his past actions.
WalksInShadows
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Black Zetsu already stated that Sasuke's insight sucks, and his agenda and the reasoning supporting it only serves that statement to be true. There is nothing noble about executing ppl in their sleep. Only a Sasuke Jihadist would be claiming such nonsense.
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No it wasn't the exact same,Sasuke "joined" the Akatsuki cause he wanted to use them to get the Bijuus power,chapter 411.But the Shinobi Villages - Leaders of Nations decided to usr the Akatsuki to inflict war for their own gain at the cost of others.chapter 458,and The Shinobi nations also went into multiple Wars for the own gain at the cost of others,chapter 436.
His insight Sucks? He knows the world went into war 4 times,and he personally had his whole family massacred by his older brother on the orders of the Nations leaders who covered it up,and he he heard from Danzo,eho is one of the people behind his families massacre,say that this isn't the forst time this has happened,that there are other cases like itachi's.End of chapter 476.
Wanting to change the messed up Shinobi world and system which hides massacre and deos alot of other bad things and make sure no one else geos through what his family did is a stupid reason? His personal expeireince of the cruel Shinobi world sucks?
Sasuke would kill the Kages if they were awake,hes only planning on killing them now cause nows an easy chance,and is more convinent,its not like he went out and planned to kill them when they were trapped in IT.Its not like he allowed Madara to cast it so he could possibly have this chance.
Is there anything noble about trying to kidnap alittle girl? Trying to kidnap alittle girl after you signed a PEACE TREATY? Thats what the cloud did.Chapter 102,page 16,&17.
Sasuke wants to change the world and system so stuff like this deosn't happen.
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I'm not going to address most of what you've said because I've already gone over it 3 times, I will say this, the reason people say Sasuke is an idiot is because, deite all he's been told and everything he's seen, he's still learned nothing. Sasuke is completely selfish, and saying his family's death justifies him is delusional, may as well say Rin's death justified Obito's actions.
Doesn't matter how you sugar coat it, Both the kages and sasuke still worked with them. Not only did sasuke work with them, He also did actual work for them. His intention to use them doesn't change this fact.
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Pretty much this, had he not been angry that Naruto managed to get stronger than he is, he wouldn't have run to Orochimaru for more free power ups.
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i said he wants to become hokage to show what a true kage is by changing the system, am saying his reasnoning for why he wants to become hokage is noble and not his methods you fool. i already said i dont really agree with his method, i like how you left that part of my post out. i was just stating his reason, read properly so as not to make a fool out of yourself next time.
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Naruto was not the only reason he seeked power. His main reason was to gain power for revenge for his fallen Uchiha clan. He needed to be stronger to fight his brother.
All you did was make excuses for him. That doesn't change the fact that he actually did all those things.
If everyone could stop making excuses to why he did something, and just face facts that he did it, they would realize Sasuke's life choices have been terrible since he was 13.
WalksInShadows
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you're the fool here, because in order or Sasuke to even be that person, he has to have INSIGHT. Pick up a dictionary for once in your life and look up the definition of 'insight'. Sasuke clearly lacks insight, otherwise Black Zetsu wouldn't have had to spell out to him why Kaguya kept her MT victims alive.
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Sasuke's selfish yet he always wanted tk avenge his families death.Sasuke's selfish yet he wanted to avenge Itachi aswell after he found out the truth,and wanted to destroy Konoha for what they did to his family.Sasuke's selfish yet he cried over Itachi's death.Sasuke's self yet he wants to protect Konoha,and make sure no one geos through what he Itachi and his whole family did,Sasuke's selfish yet he wants to change the world by overthrowing the messed up old world and system andcreate a better new one?
Yeah everything is about Sasuke,he obvoiusly deosn't care about anyone else which is why he fought alongside Naruto to save the world from Infinite Tsukuyomi,against Obito,Madara,and Kaguya.Yes he is completely selfish.
His families MASSACRE,which he witnessed and which the truth was hidden away by the NATIONS LEADERS,is part of why he wants to change things.
Is what Sasuke thinks about the Shinobi world and system untrue?
Rins Death made Obito realize that the world is filled with hatred,suffereing,anger,fighting,War,death etc and he wanted to change that.Thats a good reason to want to change the world - to stop that,and Sasuke wants to end it to.But rather than force everyone into a Genjutsu and control them he wants to overthrow the current leaders of the messed up Shinobi world and system and create a new better one.
If he wanted to rule through fear like someone else said than why would he want to dispel the Infinite Tsukuyomi when everyones already trapped within it.Now is the best time to control everyone.
Im not saying everything they do is right,but their reasons for wanting to do it is understandable.People get mad of their internet connection is slow yet Sasuke and Obito are so hard to understand.
You act as if they're excuses.Itachi killed their family yet you think Sasuke killing him is stupid? You could get mad over someone stepping on your sheos yet Sasuke is stupid for killing his brother who killed their family.
And how much deos it need to be pionted out that the Kages attacked Sasuke for you to understand.Reread - the Raikage went to Sasuke,so did Gaara,and when sasuke went into the meeting room and saw Danzo wasn't there he started to leave but the Mizukage blocked the exit and attack him multiple times then the Tsuchikage did.Those are facts.
Didn't summoning Orochimaru give Sasuke the answers that he wanted and he decided to protect Konoha (which is what Itachi wanted)? Didn't the Kages Save the Alliance? Were they not a big help in the war?
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