Naruto's Idealism or Sasuke's Realist views:Which is more suited for change in NV?

[Raekwon26]

if a tyrant shouldnt be hokage then you agree that its the right way so stop arguing against it.

people need a leader. just like some monarch's have perfectly run a country without problems

I'm not agreeing with you because the discussion of philosophies and ideals is never really a "yes or no" debate.

@bold, Wow, just wow.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

With out Dreamers the World never changes it stays the same stale world as before. Sasuke represents the old tired way of doing things,Naruto represents the possibility of change. Were would America be if the founding Fathers were not dreamers?

If the Founding Fathers saw us today they'll shake their heads in disappointment.But let's not get into that.

 

[-Drāke-]

Then I'll accept it.
No clue honestly.

My first comment on this thread was about how some people on this thread are using real world logic for Naruto, when they have told people before that they couldn't use real world logic for Naruto
I have no idea why it lead to an argument

 

[ShiroT]

I'm not agreeing with you because the discussion of philosophies and ideals is never really a "yes or no" debate.

@bold, Wow, just wow.

i edited my post

 

[KisuneUchiha]

if a tyrant shouldnt be hokage then you agree that its the right way so stop arguing against it.

people need a leader. without a leader you get a group who can have conflicting ideas. without a group in power people are free to make there won rules.

a leader is the safest route

Naruto, in a way, is also a tyrant...

In his system, it would require a lack of individuality, as he wants no war, no fights, no disputes...

And as long as there is individuality, there will be all of those things...

Everybody just cannot "get along" without some form of disagreement

 

[Hebi Sasuke]

A simple combination if the two. Well honestly I would say Sasuke,but Naruto's way isn't completely wrong but trying to build up peace on the assumption that everybody can change is silly to say the least. Sasuke's realism is the right way if you ask me. Solely idealism can't work.

 

[Raekwon26]

if a tyrant shouldnt be hokage then you agree that its the right way so stop arguing against it.

people need a leader. without a leader you get a group who can have conflicting ideas. without a group in power people are free to make there won rules.

a leader is the safest route

You made it worse with your edit.

You believe dictatorships don't you?

 

[GhostProject]

Heh, as long as both are practical then there will be no problem with either route.

I do not see Sasuke being truly practical being that he does not seem to care for anyone else leading to a poor understanding of others. He can deal with situations and politics strongly and efficiently, but is unaware of the human element. Not hating, I think most would agree with this statement.

Naruto is a much more practical leader honestly, even given he is a hardcore idealist. He understands the human element in both battle and philosophy. He has shown this to be an invaluable skill throughout his life. In the hands of a leader, Naruto's skillset and empathy will allow him to do great things and he will be trustable to have his people in mind when he uses his power to make a decision.

 

[Cooh]

When two opposing forces work together, real peace will be achieved U_U

 

[ShiroT]

Naruto, in a way, is also a tyrant...

In his system, it would require a lack of individuality, as he wants no war, no fights, no disputes...

And as long as there is individuality, there will be all of those things...

Everybody just cannot "get along" without some form of disagreement

lmao no.

naruto never took away individuality.

you want money? you can work for it.

you like swords? go buy/create some

you want to get married? go find a mate

like to read? go read a book.

you like to fight? join a fight club or goto a place where you can fight.

the only thing naruto is doing is creating a better place for people to live. meaning no wars and less hate. if you think thats taking away someone's individuality them maybe you need to rethink somethings.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

When two opposing forces work together, rea peace will be achieved u_u

Those are words to live by right there.

 

[ShiroT]

You made it worse with your edit.

You believe dictatorships don't you?

i may have worded that wrong but my main point was that people need to be led to avoid conflicts. if naruto got rid of the title he would need someone else or a group of people to keep things in order

 

[Raekwon26]

i may have worded that wrong but my main point was that people need to be led to avoid conflicts. if naruto got rid of the title he would need someone else or a group of people to keep things in order

That's think the same way as him? No excuses or exceptions?

 

[KisuneUchiha]

lmao no.

naruto never took away individuality.

you want money? you can work for it.

you like swords? go buy/create some

you want to get married? go find a mate

like to read? go read a book.

you like to fight? join a fight club or goto a place where you can fight.

the only thing naruto is doing is creating a better place for people to live. meaning no wars and less hate. if you think thats taking away someone's individuality them maybe you need to rethink somethings.

Then if you marry someone, bit another person wanted to marry that same person? That person is going to be petty and it will breed more hatred and possibly lead to a murder
If you beat someone in a fight? That person is going to hold a grudge, and gonna want to beat up the other guy
Not everybody is going to be soft hearted people and going to let whatever happens happen.

And what do you think people are going to do with swords? They will want to use them.

The option to go out and make money are open too people in the real world, but people still choose to steal... Naruto's way is only a temporary solution, the only way is option 3, both Naruto and Sasuke work together to create a better future.

 

[ShiroT]

That's think the same way as him? No excuses or exceptions?

i dont understand?

 

[uzumakinaruto389]

Both Idealism and Realism is needed.

 

[ShiroT]

Then if you marry someone, bit another person wanted to marry that same person? That person is going to be petty and it will breed more hatred and possibly lead to a murder
If you beat someone in a fight? That person is going to hold a grudge, and gonna want to beat up the other guy
Not everybody is going to be soft hearted people and going to let whatever happens happen.

And what do you think people are going to do with swords? They will want to use them.

The option to go out and make money are open too people in the real world, but people still choose to steal... Naruto's way is only a temporary solution, the only way is option 3, both Naruto and Sasuke work together to create a better future.

LMAO nice try. that in know way has nothing to do with naruto.

you have yet to explain how naruto's IDEAS took away someone's INDIVIDUALITY. naruto didnt make you fall in love who this girl. naruto didnt make this person marry the girl you like.

shall i quote you?

 

[Raekwon26]

i dont understand?

You said Naruto's ideals will be passed down and that only those who share his ideals will be allowed into the positions of power?

I'm asking, No one else with a differing view will be allowed into that position unless they share Naruto's ideals?

 

[ShiroT]

You said Naruto's ideals will be passed down and that only those who share his ideals will be allowed into the positions of power?

I'm asking, No one else with a differing view will be allowed into that position unless they share Naruto's ideals?

well ofcourse. to preserve peace, you need someone in power who will do so. everything isnt for everybody

just like hiruzen didnt appoint orochiramu because he was a sick twisted person

 

[Raekwon26]

well ofcourse. to preserve peace, you need someone in power who will do so. everything isnt for everybody

That's a dictatorship and the way you've presented it is not a way to preserve peace.