Naruto's Idealism or Sasuke's Realist views:Which is more suited for change in NV?

[Sageflash]

People like Sasuke goes beyond the common man's way of thinking. Sasuke's way is not necessarily a negative thing because he still wants to change the past for the better future. Naruto still wants to keep everything the same but at the same time achieve peace. It doesn't work that way. Sometimes change is necessary.

As today's current situation, and all the wars that are going on, simple preaching and communication wont matter because we are still human, which means we will do what we feel and what we want.

Sasuke's change is not a good change. He will perpetuate the old hatred as he's already proclaimed that he'll hurt the Bijuu, who are not inherently evil and did not deserve the treatment they got. The Bijuu are akin to the Uchiha Clan, mistreated and misunderstood. Yet Sasuke cares not about their plight, he'd rather try to steamroll through them and ignore the truth of the matter. Or when he brashly declared to kill the innocent Konoha bystanders who had nothing to do with what had been done to him and his brother.

Naruto's way of change is the only true way, peace through understanding. Just as Hagoromo said, ninshuu and compassion are the only ways for people to come to terms and comprehend each other mutually. Power, fear, pushing your way to the top with no regard for those below... that's not what a true leader embodies. The Hokage is one who takes the pain so other's don't have too and protects his people with love and devotion from harm, not bludgeoning them into his will. Sasuke's way, as he is now, will only create more versions of himself.

And on the same token, today's world and the NV are not apt comparisons. One is a story meant to be a beacon and source of entertainment and hope, not a manual for how to run the world. There is no magic ninshuu for all humans to take and become friendly. There's a lot of problems plaguing this world and you're completely right that standing on a podium and preaching beautiful words won't fix the problem. But that's not what I'm suggesting and it's not what Naruto is suggesting. You have to always move forward and forever strive for a better day and that's how love will conquer in the end.

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[Shadow Phantasm]

Wow 9 pages .....I'm loving the discussions so far.Keep it up guys.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Sasuke's change is not a good change. He will perpetuate the old hatred as he's already proclaimed that he'll hurt the Bijuu, who are not inherently evil and did not deserve the treatment they got. The Bijuu are akin to the Uchiha Clan, mistreated and misunderstood. Yet Sasuke cares not about their plight, he'd rather try to steamroll through them and ignore the truth of the matter. Or when he brashly declared to kill the innocent Konoha bystanders who had nothing to do with what had been done to him and his brother.

Naruto's way of change is the only true way, peace through understanding. Just as Hagoromo said, ninshuu and compassion are the only ways for people to come to terms and comprehend each other mutually. Power, fear, pushing your way to the top with no regard for those below... that's not what a true leader embodies. The Hokage is one who takes the pain so other's don't have too and protects his people with love and devotion from harm, not bludgeoning them into his will. Sasuke's way, as he is now, will only create more versions of himself.

And on the same token, today's world and the NV are not apt comparisons. One is a story meant to be a beacon and source of entertainment and hope, not a manual for how to run the world. There is no magic ninshuu for all humans to take and become friendly. There's a lot of problems plaguing this world and you're completely right that standing on a podium and preaching beautiful words won't fix the problem. But that's not what I'm suggesting and it's not what Naruto is suggesting. You have to always move forward and forever strive for a better day and that's how love will conquer in the end.

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I love this post,it brings up alot of good points.

 

[HashiraMadara]

Bullsh*t thread! if I was awake to see it!

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

Sasuke's "peace" will not lead to peace.

It will spurn more hatred, cause more wars, and create more versions of Sasuke himself. There is no solace to be had there. Hagoromo/Jiraiya/Naruto's way is the only true way to harmony in the NarutoVerse as it is the only way to end the cycle once and for all.

Yea those ideas caused more havoc and chaos then obito and Madara did

 

[zeezzay]

Sasuke's versions can never breed anything good. He will only create more turmoil and another war will follow. Fear is not the way to lead, and will not work. Period.

Anybody who says Naruto's way is unrealistic is blind and detracts from humanity. The strides made by Mother Theresa, Martin Luther King Jr., Gahndi, and a score of others prove this ridiculous, cynical notion completely wrong. It is the only way to true, lasting peace and understanding.

Soooo sad u neg rep me calling me cancer lol
All I said was where did noodle get the time to say something like that and u go on calling me cancer and u support noodle do u really think noodle would do that?????

 

[zeezzay]

Wow 9 pages .....I'm loving the discussions so far.Keep it up guys.

who is the female on ur sig and avatar???? pls tell thanks

 

[SuperChief]

If there is one thing that Kishimoto has established in regards to the leaders of the shinobi world is that's the realists, the Danzō's and Tobirama's of the world, are responsible for the state of affairs that led to creation of tragic and villains characters like Itachi, Haku, Zabuza, Orochimaru, Nagato, Kabuto, Sasori, Kakuzu and many more.

Hashirama wasn't a realist, he was a dreamer. He didn't possess the ruthless pragmatism of his younger, and yet he was the one that had the right idea all along, and that dream has recently come to life as all the shinobi of the Great Five have come together to stop a common enemy.

Naruto embodies all that Hashirama has ever wanted, and more. Unlike Hashirama, he possesses the charisma to make it work. It's like Shikamaru said in chapter 649.

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Naruto possesses a quality that makes people want to walk by his side. He unifies people, regardless of what walks of life they came from, and he pulls them along, leading the way.

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There really is no point in debating this further.