Naruto's Idealism or Sasuke's Realist views:Which is more suited for change in NV?

[ShiroT]

Unbelievable.

You're here preaching Naruto's ideals, yet you continue to contradict yourself by wanting power centralized to only a select group of people, those who don't share those beliefs should not be listened to or heard from and no one should be anywhere near a position of power unless they share Naruto's ideals.

Amazing. I'm done.

danzo is a prime example of someone who is in the system. i said HOKAGE would share these ideas not the console or any other figures of authority.

i didnt even say that they should be ignored. again they shouldnt be HOKAGE. not that they should be ignored, or not put in power. HOKAGE. again please quote me where i said that these people should be ignored. but if what these people want is war then yes they need to be ignored. if they want more land, maybe they have a dispute with another family, i never said the hokage shouldnt try to fix these problems

 

[ShiroT]

Raekwon26, you're wasting your time bruh. Anyone who doesn't follow Naruto's ideals is automatically labeled as a douche, uncaring, egotistic bastard.

yea because danzo and orochimaru were saints Lol

 

[Dannie]

yea because danzo and orochimaru were saints Lol

Danzo and Orochimaru are nothing like Sasuke, so I see no relevance to your irrelevant response.

 

[ShiroT]

Danzo and Orochimaru are nothing like Sasuke, so I see no relevance to your irrelevant response.

did i say sasuke was a horrible leader? i said sasuke wasnt for the people and would likely lead to conflicts because he doesnt take others into consideration.

of the two ideas naruto would be the better one.

 

[Dannie]

did i say sasuke was a horrible leader? i said sasuke wasnt for the people and would likely lead to conflicts because he doesnt take others into consideration.

of the two ideas naruto would be the better one.

Good for you.

I'm more for reality rather than some stupid Disney Movie.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

I don't see Sasuke waging wars if he tries to change things.

 

[ShiroT]

Good for you.

I'm more for reality rather than some stupid Disney Movie.

yet the whole leaf village, major villians, and the other kages agree with naruto Lol

 

[ShiroT]

I don't see Sasuke waging wars if he tries to change things.

how do you think he is going to change the system?

 

[V h o]

Naruto's ideology. Idealism may be seen as overreaching or not realistic, but it's these "pipe dreams" that allow for change, something that the world has never seen or experienced. Naruto may or may not accomplish his goal of erasing hate, but his end result should be greater than what Sasuke can do. On a side note, what has Sasuke even said he wanted to accomplish besides changing the current world?

 

[take it easy]

when sasuke became realist ?

 

[9tailsJinchuuriki]

Naruto, in a way, is also a tyrant...

In his system, it would require a lack of individuality, as he wants no war, no fights, no disputes...

And as long as there is individuality, there will be all of those things...

Everybody just cannot "get along" without some form of disagreement

@Bold, what do you mean lack of individuality?

Some of you are getting something wrong here. Naruto never had a solid idea for peace, he said it himself that he only wants to protect those precious to him, but some of you make it seem like Naruto started his own religion :|

The only reason he goes against those who have a different view, was because they killed people or made people suffer.

No wars, no fights or disputes are what's needed for peace or do you have another way of achieving peace?

The "ending the cycle of hatred" idea that was passed down from Jiraya to Naruto, was mainly the "hate" that the shinobi system created. The hate that continues the cycle of hatred and revenge. That's what Jiraya spoke about. He didn't say that he wants to get rid of every form of hate, that would be impossible.

 

[senju tobirama10]

when sasuke became realist ?

yo gon pop dat pu$$y fa A real negro

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

how do you think he is going to change the system?

Because Sasuke said he was going to do so?That's why he wants to become Hokage to begin with.

 

[Dannie]

yet the whole leaf village, major villians, and the other kages agree with naruto Lol

They only follow his ideals because they are weak fodders who had to be protected and Naruto just happen to protect them. I guess you miss the whole change of the village when Naruto rescued Konoha from Pain's invasion. The village used to hate his guts. Now they ride his ballsack because they know they would be dead if it weren't for Naruto.

The only reason why the people don't follow Sasuke is because they don't trust him, but his way is still more realistic, people just don't know that yet so they side with Naruto because he has shown it through Pain arc and this war, and the fact that Sasuke has did wrong to the Shinobi world makes good sense that they don't trust him, but that still doesn't take away the fact that Sasuke's way is more within the realms of realism. As I keep saying, Naruto's way is just a fairy tail. You would have a better chance of trying to get rid of world hunger than hatred.

World peace doesn't exists and it never will. Naruto thinks it exists and that's what makes him foolish.

 

[ShiroT]

They only follow his ideals because they are weak fodders who had to be protected and Naruto just happen to protect them. I guess you miss the whole change of the village when Naruto rescued Konoha from Pain's invasion. The village used to hate his guts. Now they ride his ballsack because they know they would be dead if it weren't for Naruto.

The only reason why the people don't follow Sasuke is because they don't trust him, but his way is still more realistic, people just don't know that yet so they side with Naruto because he has shown it through Pain arc and this war, and the fact that Sasuke has did wrong to the Shinobi world makes good sense that they don't trust him, but that still doesn't take away the fact that Sasuke's way is more within the realms of realism. As I keep saying, Naruto's way is just a fairy tail. You would have a better chance of trying to get rid of world hunger than hatred.

World peace doesn't exists and it never will. Naruto thinks it exists and that's what makes him foolish.

i can use the real world. are we fighting any major power? theres peace.

it can be a fairy tail but the villages respect naruto and agrees with him. meaning that they would go with naruto's idea.

and what is sasuke's idea? what is he fighting for? peace right? since peace isnt possible destroying the system isnt going to change anything. or isnt his idea only for the hiddenleaf? the hidden leaf is already in a peaceful state, if the other villages didnt enforce naruto's idea then the leaf would still have enemys and what would that solve

 

[9tailsJinchuuriki]

Naruto still wants to become Hokage, that was his dream and also promises he made to a few people, but he knows that in order to achieve peace, he needs other people's cooperation. So, there's no need to ask how Naruto will achieve peace. The question is, how will peace be achieved through everyone's cooperation. The prophecy did say that the child of prophecy will start a revolution in the world and Naruto's influence already reached a few people.

 

[Lana Del Taka]

Sasuke's is more suitable but they're should be a mixture of both.

 

[ShiroT]

Sasuke's is more suitable but they're should be a mixture of both.

yea both is needed

 

[zeezzay]

clearly sasuke, dude noodles is shity leader if he just called the guy who killed millions of people cool lol where does noodle have the time for this in real war????

 

[KisuneUchiha]

how do you think he is going to change the system?

You are assuming again...