Naruto's Idealism or Sasuke's Realist views:Which is more suited for change in NV?

[ShiroT]

Nations wanting power and land are the cause of war,Naruto might work out a deal betweem them but their successors are a different matter.

now your not making sense.

a successor would be picked by the kage. the kage would pick someone who shares the same idea. just like how hiruzen didnt pick orochimaru.

any kage after said kage would share the same ideal.

PERFECT example is ALL the hokages. they all (maybe except tobirama) share the will of fire

 

[Raekwon26]

it was madara's problem. he had a perfect chance to help shape the ninja system so that both him and hashirama was happy yet he wanted power.

No, it wasn't.

3 Shinobi Wars have occurred before this one. PROVING not everyone followed Hashirama's beliefs.

 

[ShiroT]

No, it wasn't.

3 Shinobi Wars have occurred before this one. PROVING not everyone followed Hashirama's beliefs.

no one knew hashirama personally

everyone knows naruto, loves naruto, believes in naruto, and is counting on him to save the world. ALL of the kages are fine with naruto and would comply with him if he asked.

try again

 

[xxxLegacy]

well no one knows if the elders would end up getting controlled over naruto. while sasuke he will definitely change something.

He definetly should change his attitude, if he wanna do something U_U
An ******* should not be Hokage or something like that, look at Danzo he was enough for Konoha.
They don't need an bigger ashole with some emotional problems.

Sasuke will not do anything it's all in Naruto's hand and everyone is looking up to Naruto. ..Sasuke is still a Nukenin.
Even after they are fighting together Sasuke is doing what he want's, even when Naruto said "I will handel them" did you forget ? " Burn it down" pure idiot . ...

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

now your not making sense.

a successor would be picked by the kage. the kage would pick someone who shares the same idea. just like how hiruzen didnt pick orochimaru.

any kage after said kage would share the same ideal.

PERFECT example is ALL the hokages. they all (maybe except tobirama) share the will of fire

How does it not make sense?The reason Hiruzen didn't pick Orochimaru as Hokage was because the dude was twisted as hell,a Kage successor doesn't need to be a carbon copy of the previous one either.

 

[Raekwon26]

no one knew hashirama personally

everyone knows naruto, loves naruto, believes in naruto, and is counting on him to save the world. ALL of the kages are fine with naruto and would comply with him if he asked.

try again

@bold and EVERYONE hundreds of years in the future will not know Naruto personally.....invalid point.

 

[xxxLegacy]

it was madara's problem. he had a perfect chance to help shape the ninja system so that both him and hashirama was happy yet he wanted power.

Pls stop.....

Madara didn't want power, he wanted peace for the whole world.

Did you forget that Hashirama's way failed ? 3 World Wars ??? Madara has nothing to do with this war's

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

no one knew hashirama personally

everyone knows naruto, loves naruto, believes in naruto, and is counting on him to save the world. ALL of the kages are fine with naruto and would comply with him if he asked.

try again

And what happens long after Naruto is gone?The people won't follow his ideals forever.

 

[ShiroT]

How does it not make sense?The reason Hiruzen didn't pick Orochimaru as Hokage was because the dude was twisted as hell,a Kage successor doesn't need to be a carbon copy of the previous one either.

yet all of the kages shared the past kages idea.

hashirama - maybe tobirama - hiruzen - minato - tsunade

muu - ooniki

i wont list anyone else because they havent shown any ideas but these are prime examples of kages who chose someone who had the same ideas as them. naruto has changed the 5 kages and has alot of influence over them. none of them would pick a kage who hates the cloud village, leaf village etc. just like naruto is going to pick someone who believes in his ideas.

again this "idea" would be passed onto the next kage of each village. the next kage wouldnt be picked if they hated another village.

 

[xxxLegacy]

And what happens long after Naruto is gone?The people won't follow his ideals forever.

The Manga will end so we wil never know lol

 

[ShiroT]

And what happens long after Naruto is gone?The people won't follow his ideals forever.

read my above post.

 

[Raekwon26]

yet all of the kages shared the past kages idea.

hashirama - maybe tobirama - hiruzen - minato - tsunade

muu - ooniki

i wont list anyone else because they havent shown any ideas but these are prime examples of kages who chose someone who had the same ideas as them. naruto has changed the 5 kages and has alot of influence over them. none of them would pick a kage who hates the cloud village, leaf village etc. just like naruto is going to pick someone who believes in his ideas.

again this "idea" would be passed onto the next kage of each village. the next kage wouldnt be picked if they hated another village.

None of them may hate specific villages, but did that stop the Shinobi Wars? Did that stop the killing of young children sent on ridiculous missions? Did that stop the tension between any of the villages?

Your point makes no sense. Just because Hashirama passed on what he believed to the HOKAGES, not all other Kage believed that.

That will most likely happen in the future once Naruto is not there to police everyone into his way of thinking.

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

It wasn't just Madara was his problem, it was the way the Shinobi system fell apart from his generation and trickled down to the rest.

We just read the 4th Shinobi war. Are you trying to tell me the other 3 came about out of thin air?

Hashirama's influence was largely limited to konoha but even still his will of fire was very much present long after he was gone, other villages had their own way of thinking

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[Shadow Phantasm]

yet all of the kages shared the past kages idea.

hashirama - maybe tobirama - hiruzen - minato - tsunade

muu - ooniki

i wont list anyone else because they havent shown any ideas but these are prime examples of kages who chose someone who had the same ideas as them. naruto has changed the 5 kages and has alot of influence over them. none of them would pick a kage who hates the cloud village, leaf village etc. just like naruto is going to pick someone who believes in his ideas.

again this "idea" would be passed onto the next kage of each village. the next kage wouldnt be picked if they hated another village.

That sounds like the isolation of different views,if someone is qualified to be a Kage then they shouldn't be excluded just because their ideas conflict with the previous Kage.

That system amounts to a hivemind mentality where everyone has to have the same opinions if they want to get the Kage seat.

 

[ShiroT]

None of them may hate specific villages, but did that stop the Shinobi Wars? Did that stop the killing of young children sent on ridiculous missions? Did that stop the tension between any of the villages?

are you not listening?

none of the kages had great relationships with each other kage. tsunade was only allies with the kazekage.

naruto is cool with EACH kage and has changed EACH kage. EACH kage believes and is counting on naruto.

 

[KilluaZoldyck]

Up till now you don't even know what you are talking about. Your human nature argument is so random and all over the place since you are not reconciling it with anything meaningful.

How can it be in human nature that they get tired of peace huh?, so let me ask you or any other member here whether if they are tired of peace and you would see that what you are talking about is absurd and excuse me to say stupid.

I think what he means by human nature is that humans are always going to want to pursue desires and wants that benefit themselves. Philosophers have delved into this problem and have concluded that humans are innately self-centered creatures. Yes, there are examples of people who tried to change this sort of mentality and put all their efforts in making people happy. However, there's always debate about what may appear to be selfless is just another selfish act in disguise. At the end of the day, fulfilling one's own desires, regardless if it causes pain and suffering, is going to make one happier than putting one's wants below someone else's.

That's why one shouldn't ignore this side of human nature but instead acknowledge and compromise with it.

 

[Raekwon26]

Hashirama's influence was largely limited to konoha but even still his will of fire was very much present long after he was gone, other villages had their own way of thinking

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And thats not the case with naruto

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Whether you like it or not, its happening

So, you basically just skated over my point, excellent.

 

[Raekwon26]

are you not listening?

none of the kages had great relationships with each other kage. tsunade was only allies with the kazekage.

naruto is cool with EACH kage and has changed EACH kage. EACH kage believes and is counting on naruto.

And YOU'RE not listening.

What happens when Naruto is not there to police every bodies emotions? What happens when future generations question the supposed ideals passed down?

 

[Lord Orochimaru]

Orochimaru comes in between as the final hero.

 

[ShiroT]

That sounds like the isolation of different views,if someone is qualified to be a Kage then they shouldn't be excluded just because their ideas conflict with the previous Kage.

That system amounts to a hivemind mentality where everyone has to have the same opinions if they want to get the Kage seat.

no.

the hidden leaf village is a great example. all the strong people were asked to be hokage. the only person who wasnt was orochiramu because he was evil.

not to mention the village would be brought up with this idea meaning more kids would believe in this. just like most if not the whole leaf believed in hiruzen's idea, the same would apply to any village who enforces this idea.

people would already believe in this idea and any being picked as candidate for kage would be for skill like it always has.