Naruto's Idealism or Sasuke's Realist views:Which is more suited for change in NV?

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

Yes, because they sure followed Hashirama's ideals and beliefs.................

They sure did

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Thats four generations, and this war is going to have a much much bigger impact than hashirama ever did

 

[Raekwon26]

Humm, I don't know. Naruto was saving and caring about his friends despite the fact they're fodders now? Check. Naruto accepts that "the one who is acknowledged by everyone will become hokage"? , meaning that he cares about the others? Check.

I don't see how that's the same

Really?
So him shoving his beliefs down anybody who opposes it isn't the same?
Basically dismissing others ideas in favor of what HE believes isn't the same?

"Obito is a cool guy because he wanted to be Hokage", I'm sure EVERYONE had that opinion, but it won't matter will it? Because if Naruto said it, they HAVE to get behind it.

I'm not seeing a difference.

"End the cycle hatred" Good luck with that.............. but it will work, not because it makes sense though.

 

[Remion18]

This thread is getting interesting.

I'd rather live under Naruto's rule as long as he dosen't forgive killers.

Sasuke's is fine as well as long as he dosen't abuse his power.

 

[ShiroT]

How do you know Sasuke will be a dictator?He hasn't shown any signs of one.

someone who doesnt care about the people and forces his ideas on everyone is a dictator.

naruto's ideas arent forced. stop hating and killing people. that is something that can be easily accomplished and HAS been accomplished. ooniki, nagato, nine tails, konan, so as shown most people already agree with naruto

 

[Raekwon26]

They sure did

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Thats four generations, and this war is going to have a much much bigger impact than hashirama ever did

Did you ignore the bit where he said "his problems"?

That means NOT EVERYONE followed his beliefs or there would be NO PROBLEMS.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

and your wrong about that. naruto has changed MANY people without destroying social class, taking away property etc.

I didn't say anything about Naruto destroying social class or taking away property,I said his plan hinges on people not wanting power/wealth/and land which are the major sources of conflict.

 

[ShiroT]

Really?
So him shoving his beliefs down anybody who opposes it isn't the same?
Basically dismissing others ideas in favor of what HE believes isn't the same?

"Obito is a cool guy because he wanted to be Hokage", I'm sure EVERYONE had that opinion, but it won't matter will it? Because if Naruto said it, they HAVE to get behind it.

I'm not seeing a difference.

you dont understand naruto's idea. he wants to REMOVE hate. sasuke wants to REMOVE the system.

these are two different things. the only idea naruto is forcing is stop the hate which almost everyone has done already. naruto's idea is more widely accepted and alot of people agree with his idea.

your acting like he's going around telling people to give the peasants free money or something Lol

 

[Wolfus]

Really?
So him shoving his beliefs down anybody who opposes it isn't the same?
Basically dismissing others ideas in favor of what HE believes isn't the same?

"Obito is a cool guy because he wanted to be Hokage", I'm sure EVERYONE had that opinion, but it won't matter will it? Because if Naruto said it, they HAVE to get behind it.

I'm not seeing a difference.

You mean, shoving, like convincing obito that IT was a bad idea? Because that was everybody's opinions. So he is not shoving anything.

Of course there's a diference, and here it is:

Sasuke's behavior: "Go f*ck yourself, fodders. You're useless, so I decide sh*t in here, got it? Don't? So burn: AMATERASU".
Naruto's behavior: "Yeah, kill that obito motherf*cker. Wait guys, I talked to him, he's a good guy now. I convinced him to help us, there's no reason to kill me. And he is the coolest guy now."

Basically: Naruto convinces people to follow his ideals. Sasuke burns them if they don't.

 

[Raekwon26]

you dont understand naruto's idea. he wants to REMOVE hate. sasuke wants to REMOVE the system.

these are two different things. the only idea naruto is forcing is stop the hate which almost everyone has done already. naruto's idea is more widely accepted and alot of people agree with his idea.

your acting like he's going around telling people to give the peasants free money or something Lol

You can not remove human emotion.

You have no right telling people how to feel.

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

Did you ignore the bit where he said "his problems"?

That means NOT EVERYONE followed his beliefs or there would be NO PROBLEMS.

Is you who seemed to have ignored the whole page and instead focused on one panel

Madara was his problem and the reason for the war, Whats naruto's problem?

If people can remember and follow Hashirama's will of fire for four generations what stops them from doing so with Naruto who has had a much bigger impact

 

[ShiroT]

I didn't say anything about Naruto destroying social class or taking away property,I said his plan hinges on people not wanting power/wealth/and land which are the major sources of conflict.

no. nagato's hate had nothing to do with any of that. it was war.

war was caused by the villages not wanting to work together.

naruto has met all of the kages and they all like and believe in him.

naruto can easily get all 5 villages to cooperate in some way that would create peace between them.

 

[ShiroT]

You can not remove human emotion.

You have no right telling people how to feel.

yet people are convinced that naruto is the right way. you cant tell people how to feel yet everyone he has told feels the same way as he does . . .

you dont have to agree with him just as long as your not killing/creating problems then everything is ok.

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

You're obviously not looking at the long term picture,Naruto's plan might succeed now but what happens centuries after he's gone or even before then?

What if people get tired of peace and start fighting again?

Really? sasuke must have some uber awesome plan to stand for centuries longer than naruto's

I am sure people would keep following him or his work because its human nature to keep following something that they dont like or agree with, even when there is no one compelling them to

what happens when people get fed up with sasuke being a dictator?

They assassinate him, so much for having a centuries long rule

 

[bencoby]

Look up something called human nature before calling my point absurd.

Because deep down people have violent instincts,you can't get rid of something that's hard wired into every single person alive.

Up till now you don't even know what you are talking about. Your human nature argument is so random and all over the place since you are not reconciling it with anything meaningful.

How can it be in human nature that they get tired of peace huh?, so let me ask you or any other member here whether if they are tired of peace and you would see that what you are talking about is absurd and excuse me to say stupid.

 

[Raekwon26]

Is you who seemed to have ignored the whole page and instead focused on one panel

Madara was his problem and the reason for the war, Whats naruto's problem?

If people can remember and follow Hashirama's will of fire for four generations what stops them from doing so with Naruto who has had a much bigger impact

It wasn't just Madara was his problem, it was the way the Shinobi system fell apart from his generation and trickled down to the rest.

We just read the 4th Shinobi war. Are you trying to tell me the other 3 came about out of thin air?

 

[Peace Maker]

well no one knows if the elders would end up getting controlled over naruto. while sasuke he will definitely change something.

 

[xxxLegacy]

NV need just Naruto aka. The Child of Prophecy

 

[Raekwon26]

yet people are convinced that naruto is the right way. you cant tell people how to feel yet everyone he has told feels the same way as he does . . .

.........thus probing the OP's point.

You think that will be able to continue when Naruto is gone? That the whole emotion of hatred is removed? That there will be no opportunism? That there will be no self-serving individuals present?

Good luck with that..... removing a human emotion? Not even Jesus could do that.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

no. nagato's hate had nothing to do with any of that. it was war.

war was caused by the villages not wanting to work together.

naruto has met all of the kages and they all like and believe in him.

naruto can easily get all 5 villages to cooperate in some way that would create peace between them.

Nations wanting power and land are the cause of war,Naruto might work out a deal betweem them but their successors are a different matter.

 

[ShiroT]

It wasn't just Madara was his problem, it was the way the Shinobi system fell apart from his generation and trickled down to the rest.

We just read the 4th Shinobi war. Are you trying to tell me the other 3 came about out of thin air?

it was madara's problem. he had a perfect chance to help shape the ninja system so that both him and hashirama was happy yet he wanted power.