PS stabilized is not possibly without Rinnegan.

[MAN OF SIN]

Then there's Indra using PS without the rinnegan or any bijuu.

Actually, Indra was stated to inherit Hagoromo's eyes iirc.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Except the unstabilized form isn't armored onto Kurama. The stabilized form is.

Except you've yet to prove that statement.

1. Susanoo is stabilized.

2. Armored onto Kurama.

Kurama doesn't change anything. Makes no sense. At all.

The chapter where Naruto and Sasuke combined the kurama cloak and susano'o described it as the mixing of two powers.

Only the stabilized Susanoo has the tengu nose. FACT.

Itachi's and Sasuke's complete susano'o have jutting noses.

Sasuke used it before armoring onto Kurama as shown in the scan. FACT.

The jutting nose proves nothing because his complete susano'o had a jutting nose or beak and it cloaked an unseen form inside of it as seen with the eyes in the mouths.

EMS is all that is necessary. FACT.

Then why is it we've only ever seen it when Madara and Sasuke had Rinnegan? Madara was not using his EMS when he activated it. His Rinnegan was active, same with Sasuke.

Lol, you definitely pulled this shit out of your ass. Especially since Indra inherited Yin from Rikudo, not Yang. So he's more Yin oriented, which again, shits on your premise.

More Yin oriented does not exclude Yang, from your own words no less. And Sasuke obrained Hagoromo's Yin, yet he has unlocked Rinnegan, which is composed of both sons' chakras, great Yin and great Yang and when his Chidori has once again turned black. Then of course we return to Indra being implied to be born with his MS, much like Hagoromo rather than building it up and it's spiral form resembling the Rinnegan in part.

At the very most Indra had an EMS leveled Dojutsu, and he used a stabilized Susanoo. Until you prove that he had something that let him use stabilized Susanoo, you are wrong. Simple as that.

Hagoromo did imply he and the Uchiha would use Senju infusions eventually, and they did. Many actually according to Itachi through their abuse of Izanagi, which requires the chakra and cells from both clans.

 

[Conspirator.]

lol and all that happened in a matter of seconds right?

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Its obvious, he fused unstablilzed with Kurama. Kuruma changing the armor and making it stabilize.



You realized a tengu nose sticks out right?

Please I would love to see Sasuke's susano have a tengu nose before being involved with Kuruma or getting rinnegan?



Indra was shown with MS, so he awakened that susano with MS? Right obviously since he would have never been able to get EMS that there is something else involved.

None of that proves anything. The bottom line is that Madara stabilized the susanoo, and equipped it to Kurama. There's absolutely nothing that shows the kyuubi having any effect on it. It still has the same tengu nose, it can still wipe out mountains with it's sword slash alone.(when no other version has shown the ability) Until proven otherwise, Indra used PS with MS only.(he's obviously stronger than his descendants..) The onus is on YOU to prove that Indra had "help" using PS. Until then, the fact that he used the stabilized PS without the rinnegan/bijuu shits on your argument.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

None of that proves anything.

On what basis?

The bottom line is that Madara stabilized the susanoo, and equipped it to Kurama.

But he didn't lols. All we saw was his complete susano'o not perfect being reshaped to fit Kurama and there's the unrevealed susano'o inside the complete susano'o's mouth.

There's absolutely nothing that shows the kyuubi having any effect on it.

Then what would be the purpose of calling it the "mix of two powers?" Hell, what would be the purpose of Madara and Sasuke cloaking Kurama if they could already make a perfect susano'o that already possessed the powers of bijuus and could level mountains and landscapes?

It still has the same tengu nose, it can still wipe out mountains with it's sword slash alone.(when no other version has shown the ability)

Itachi and Sasuke's complete susano'o have jutting noses.

Until proven otherwise, Indra used PS with MS only.(he's obviously stronger than his descendants..) The onus is on YOU to prove that Indra had "help" using PS. Until then, the fact that he used the stabilized PS without the rinnegan/bijuu shits on your argument.

It was stated Indra inherited Hagoromo's eyes and Hagoromo stated that either he or his descendants would eventually use Senju infusions to achieve greater power. Furthermore, Indra appears to have been born with his Mangekyou and it resembles he Rinnegan.

And is there really any reason to be rude, mist? Paw has remained completely objective with you while you just insulted him. And if you're so sure you're correct, why be so dogmatic and aggressive about it?

 

[Dark Riku]

Madara used it with his EMS.

Indra also didn't have the Rinnegan.

Sasuke used it when he had the EMS.


So no,i disagree.

 

[Conspirator.]

On what basis?



But he didn't lols. All we saw was his complete susano'o not perfect being reshaped to fit Kurama and there's the unrevealed susano'o inside the complete susano'o's mouth.



Then what would be the purpose of calling it the "mix of two powers?" Hell, what would be the purpose of Madara and Sasuke cloaking Kurama if they could already make a perfect susano'o that already possessed the powers of bijuus and could level mountains and landscapes?



Itachi and Sasuke's complete susano'o have jutting noses.



It was stated Indra inherited Hagoromo's eyes and Hagoromo stated that either he or his descendants would eventually use Senju infusions to achieve greater power. Furthermore, Indra appears to have been born with his Mangekyou and it resembles he Rinnegan.

And is there really any reason to be rude, mist? Paw has remained completely objective with you while you just insulted him. And if you're so sure you're correct, why be so dogmatic and aggressive about it?

Um just a few points. Itachi and Sasuke's MS Final susanoo has the long tengu/jutting nose.... but EMS sasuke's final susanoo design changed considerably to a beak like form. Same with madara's EMS final form. If you read up the mythology, there's some significance to this. Of course there was a mix of two powers, my point is that Naruto's BM DID NOT impact Sasuke's ability to stabilize the PS. That's as dumb as me saying Sasuke's PS influenced Naruto's BM.......

We clearly saw the stabilized Susanoo reshaped to fit kurama. It has the same features. Also, Madara's PS on it's own can cut off mountain tops. The reason why he added PS to kurama was to protect it from hashirama's wood techniques, and to prevent Hashirama's "wood golem" from "catching" the tailed beast balls of the kyuubi.(as you can't really catch a sword with the bijuudama) But just because Madara combined PS with the kyuubi, doesn't mean that the kyuubi affected his own ability to stabilize the PS.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

So why didn't Sasuke use the Susanoo he has now against Obito, if all it takes is EMS?

Indra also didn't have the Rinnegan.

Actually it was stated that he had his father's eyes.

 

[ShinjuMadara]

Madara was never shown to use PS before getting the Rinnegan, but I think he was able to.

 

[Xēnovia.]

Another Narutobase dumbass.

I agree you should refer them to your perfect susanno thread you've made while back at the Naruto Manga section.​

 

[mohdzarif]

Rinnegan doesn't have anything to do with Susano'o. :|

The fact is Susano'o is an MS jutsu. Indra used PS.

Please look at VoTE fight again. Madara fought Hashirama with PS.

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[Angelic.]

hes gonna say magical kyuubi powers activated its stabalized form.

 

[Xlad]

PS doesn't need Rinnegan. Madara used it before, only it was resized for Kurama. Indra used it, even though he doesn't have Rinnegan. Sasuke did use it as well without Rinnegan.

 

[mohdzarif]

Please look at VoTE fight. Madara was using PS there.

 

[Black Mamba]

madara even said to the kages that "he wont use ps twice cuz anyone who sees it the first time, dies"..... something like that meaning he used it before when he only had EMS cuz he got rinnegan when he was close to death

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Itachi and Sasuke's MS Final susanoo has the long tengu/jutting nose.... but EMS sasuke's final susanoo design changed considerably to a beak like form. Same with madara's EMS final form.

Which is why I also left the susano'o inside the susano'o a possibility as well. Madara's may not be that jutting, but it is still a beak while Sasuke's is very jutting and his base susano'o, though not jutting still has that long, rectangular nose.

If you read up the mythology, there's some significance to this. Of course there was a mix of two powers, my point is that Naruto's BM DID NOT impact Sasuke's ability to stabilize the PS. That's as dumb as me saying Sasuke's PS influenced Naruto's BM.......

Then why call it the mixing of two powers and why not use it prior? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just using logic here based on reading and comprehension. Maybe I'm completely wrong lols but it's difficult for me to ignore such circumstances. All the same, I don't think it's fair to say someone's theory is dumb when they were objective about it and supported it with content.

We clearly saw the stabilized Susanoo reshaped to fit kurama. It has the same features.

If you don't account for other influences or the form inside the cloak, perhaps. Or for the words mixing of two powers, Madara stating it had the power of the bijuus and showing it already being able to level mountains, not directly showing it, both he and sasuke finally using it separate from Kurama or at all, which every way you want to put it after they achieved and had Rinnegan activated.

Also, Madara's PS on it's own can cut off mountain tops. The reason why he added PS to kurama was to protect it from hashirama's wood techniques, and to prevent Hashirama's "wood golem" from "catching" the tailed beast balls of the kyuubi.(as you can't really catch a sword with the bijuudama) But just because Madara combined PS with the kyuubi, doesn't mean that the kyuubi affected his own ability to stabilize the PS.

From what I saw, Kurama broke the wood dragon in half without susano'o and the susano'o blocked the bijuu dama without Kurama.

 

[KidGamer65]

Except you've yet to prove that statement.

Tengu nose and Diamond are features of stabilized Susanoo. Statement has already been proven in the manga.

The chapter where Naruto and Sasuke combined the kurama cloak and susano'o described it as the mixing of two powers.

Ok? Kurama cloak being armored with Susanoo is the mixing of two powers. No evidence that them combining their power made Susanoo change appearance before being armored.

Itachi's and Sasuke's complete susano'o have jutting noses.

Sasuke's doesn't after getting EMS.

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At least not that kind of nose.

The jutting nose proves nothing because his complete susano'o had a jutting nose or beak and it cloaked an unseen form inside of it as seen with the eyes in the mouths.

A jutting beak isn't the same as a Tengu nose, so again. Wrong here.

Then why is it we've only ever seen it when Madara and Sasuke had Rinnegan? Madara was not using his EMS when he activated it. His Rinnegan was active, same with Sasuke.

This doesn't change the fact that a stabilized Susanoo doesn't need a Rinnegan, since both EMS users already used it, but put it onto Kurama instead. People have come up with idiotic reasons to believe that they can't use it on their own, but this "Kurama changed it" argument is the stupidest of them all. By far.

More Yin oriented does not exclude Yang, from your own words no less. And Sasuke obrained Hagoromo's Yin, yet he has unlocked Rinnegan, which is composed of both sons' chakras, great Yin and great Yang and when his Chidori has once again turned black. Then of course we return to Indra being implied to be born with his MS, much like Hagoromo rather than building it up and it's spiral form resembling the Rinnegan in part.

More Yin Oriented doesn't mean there is a BALANCE of Yin and Yang, which is what OP baseless asserted to be a requirement to use a stabilized PS. And wrong, Rinnegan is

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, which can be made with the son's chakra. Sasuke got half of Hagoromo's Yin Chakra directly from him, so he doesn't need the son's power to get the Rinnegan. Hagoromo gave it to him.

He was born with Sharingan. Anything else is a baseless assumption. Get me evidence he had something similar to Rinnegan and then we can talk about it.

Hagoromo did imply he and the Uchiha would use Senju infusions eventually, and they did. Many actually according to Itachi through their abuse of Izanagi, which requires the chakra and cells from both clans.

Cool story. Too bad it proves nothing.

lol and all that happened in a matter of seconds right?

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Its obvious, he fused unstablilzed with Kurama. Kuruma changing the armor and making it stabilize.

That is exactly what happened. It doesn't take time to stabilize Susanoo, just another fanfiction created by people on NB. Get proof or get lost for the bold.

You realized a tengu nose sticks out right?

Please I would love to see Sasuke's susano have a tengu nose before being involved with Kuruma or getting rinnegan?

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When you can get me proof that Kurama can change the Susanoo's armor just by wearing it, then you will have a point. Until then, you are still spouting BS.

Indra was shown with MS, so he awakened that susano with MS? Right obviously since he would have never been able to get EMS that there is something else involved.

You only assume its MS. He has the strongest Yin energies out of all the Uchiha descended after him and his full power is PS, which is an EMS technique. The fact he has PS only means he was able to get an EMS leveled Dojutsu without the special requirements (Since he was the first) or that his MS was an EMS leveled Dojutsu due to his strong chakras.


Either way, it was his Sharingan that let him use Susanoo and anything else is an assumption.

 

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[Turson]

This theory is completely wrong. Like others said, Sasuke used stabilized PS when he combined it with Kuramas avatar. Unstabilized and stabilized PS looks completely different, and that Kurama armor had charasteristics of the latter version. Seriously, its obvious which version was used.

But no he couldnt stabilize PS but once fused with Kurama was it stabilized.

Lol? Kurama had nothing to do with it. It was the moment when Sasuke became skillfull enough with his new eyes so he could use PS. It was the same with MS, its not like he could use Complete Susanoo right away after he awakened them.

Besides, Madara was using PS looooong before he developed Rinnegan.

 

[Optimistic]

KG crushed this thread.

 

[juzumaki]

Tengu nose and Diamond are features of stabilized Susanoo. Statement has already been proven in the manga.





Ok? Kurama cloak being armored with Susanoo is the mixing of two powers. No evidence that them combining their power made Susanoo change appearance before being armored.


Sasuke's doesn't after getting EMS.

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At least not that kind of nose.


A jutting beak isn't the same as a Tengu nose, so again. Wrong here.


This doesn't change the fact that a stabilized Susanoo doesn't need a Rinnegan, since both EMS users already used it, but put it onto Kurama instead. People have come up with idiotic reasons to believe that they can't use it on their own, but this "Kurama changed it" argument is the stupidest of them all. By far.


More Yin Oriented doesn't mean there is a BALANCE of Yin and Yang, which is what OP baseless asserted to be a requirement to use a stabilized PS. And wrong, Rinnegan is

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, which can be made with the son's chakra. Sasuke got half of Hagoromo's Yin Chakra directly from him, so he doesn't need the son's power to get the Rinnegan. Hagoromo gave it to him.

He was born with Sharingan. Anything else is a baseless assumption. Get me evidence he had something similar to Rinnegan and then we can talk about it.




Cool story. Too bad it proves nothing.



That is exactly what happened. It doesn't take time to stabilize Susanoo, just another fanfiction created by people on NB. Get proof or get lost for the bold.

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When you can get me proof that Kurama can change the Susanoo's armor just by wearing it, then you will have a point. Until then, you are still spouting BS.




You only assume its MS. He has the strongest Yin energies out of all the Uchiha descended after him and his full power is PS, which is an EMS technique. The fact he has PS only means he was able to get an EMS leveled Dojutsu without the special requirements (Since he was the first) or that his MS was an EMS leveled Dojutsu due to his strong chakras.


Either way, it was his Sharingan that let him use Susanoo and anything else is an assumption.

why does he need proof when it literally changes shape when kurama is wearing it?