PS stabilized is not possibly without Rinnegan.

[RedRobin]

I guess that makes sense. But madara didn't have a complete rinnegan in edo form, only a fake one. He couldn't even use limbo. Also Indra had one, despite not having the rinnegan but mabe his ocular powers were similar as you had said. It comes down to whether susanoo+kurama combo is stabilized or not. Regardless if you are right, it means neither sasuke nor madara could produce a stabilized susanoo without another party.

Yeah basically. I do believe PS+Kurama is stabilized.

 

[KidGamer65]

Lol, very dumb thread.

-Indra didn't have Rinnegan, yet he had stabilized PS.

-Sasuke used stabilized PS and armored it onto Kurama. Only stabilized PS has the Tengu nose. He did this all without Rinnegan.

-Sasuke said what he did was the same as what Madara did, so Madara did it without Rinnegan either.

-You merely assumed that Kurama is needed even though nothing in the manga begins to imply that, nor does that make sense. Why the hell would the body of something have any affect on the shape, characteristics, and the overall strength of the armor?

Again, dumb thread.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

where is there a pic of indras ms? all i see is normal sharingan

Couldn't find a clean manga panel version of it. But here is the anime version.

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1. It has the same nose that's unique to Perfect Susano'o.

The complete susano'o has jutting out noses as well and the susano'o was stretching to fit Kurama.

2. It houses the diamond on the forehead, also unique to Perfect Susano'o.

Lol no it's not. Itachi and Sasuke's complete susano'o both have gems on the foreheads.

3. When Madara used PS, Tsunade commented that Hashirama fought it, and Madara's words implied it was true.

No, he states he fought him. He didn't state he used PS on him.

4. Sasuke commented it was the same as what Madara did at VOTE to Kurama, which was wrap Kurama with PS

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That isn't perfect susano'o. It's his complete susano'o.

5. Has the same armored plating throughout that PS has.

Madara's complete susano'o has shingle plating as well.

Wrong. It's still the same stabilized PS. Madara's PS is bigger than 100% Kurama, so obviously he had to reduce the size of it to armour it around the 9 tails. It has the same tengu nose, same features etc And it was still capable of wiping out mountains with his sword slash alone.

I disagree. Itachi and Sasuke's complete susano'os have jutting noses and Madara's is cloaked so you can't really make out what it's looks like. Add to the fact that the susano'o shape must change to fit Kurama.

Nothing implies it wasn't the stabilized PS.......

On the contrary, neither of them formed it into the PS before enveloping Kurama or before having the Rinnegan. That's more than enough Implication for me.

Madara used it against hashirama as well.

No, he didn't.

 

[RedRobin]

Lol, very dumb thread.

-Indra didn't have Rinnegan, yet he had stabilized PS.

-Sasuke used stabilized PS and armored it onto Kurama. Only stabilized PS has the Tengu nose. He did this all without Rinnegan.

-Sasuke said what he did was the same as what Madara did, so Madara did it without Rinnegan either.

-You merely assumed that Kurama is needed even though nothing in the manga begins to imply that, nor does that make sense. Why the hell would the body of something have any affect on the shape, characteristics, and the overall strength of the armor?

Again, dumb thread.

I didnt assume anything. Only when Kurama is involved did PS get the nose and diamond. Then only when Madara and Sauske had rinnegan(Indra's design is similar to a rinnegan, so it could have had similar powers) did they get the nose and diamond. The manga clearly shows EMS is not enough for PS stabilized.

 

[KidGamer65]

I didnt assume anything. Only when Kurama is involved did PS get the nose and diamond. Then only when Madara and Sauske had rinnegan(Indra's design is similar to a rinnegan, so they could had similar powers) did they get the nose and diamond. The manga clearly shows EMS is not enough for PS stabilized.

Yes, you did. It has those because those are characteristics of the Susanoo, not because Kurama magically did something to it. Makes no sense whatsoever.

Wrong. EMS Sasuke and Madara both armored their Susanoo onto Kurama and those characteristics were present. Armor doesn't change when you take it off of the armored body. That makes no sense. Sasuke's Tengu nose was shown BEFORE Susanoo was even armored onto Kurama.

Get evidence for the bold or it'll be ignored. Indra was shown and stated to have a Sharingan. Not a Rinnegan. Yet he still used a stabilized Susanoo. The manga clearly shows to anyone who can read it properly that PS is an EMS technique. Rinnegan is not needed for it to reach Perfect Stage.

 

[Conspirator.]

Couldn't find a clean manga panel version of it. But here is the anime version.

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The complete susano'o has jutting out noses as well and the susano'o was stretching to fit Kurama.



Lol no it's not. Itachi and Sasuke's complete susano'o both have gems on the foreheads.



No, he states he fought him. He didn't state he used PS on him.

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That isn't perfect susano'o. It's his complete susano'o.



Madara's complete susano'o has shingle plating as well.



I disagree. Itachi and Sasuke's complete susano'os have jutting noses and Madara's is cloaked so you can't really make out what it's looks like. Add to the fact that the susano'o shape must change to fit Kurama.



On the contrary, neither of them formed it into the PS before enveloping Kurama or before having the Rinnegan. That's more than enough Implication for me.



No, he didn't.

Wrong, Itachi and Sasuke's MS final susanoo's had the jutting noses. However, EMS Madara and EMS sasuke's "unstabilized" susanoo has the beak form. There was a fantastic Susanoo thread I read a while back. I will link you to it if you want.(It explained the MS/EMS susanoo version appearanes.)

 

[RedRobin]

Yes, you did. It has those because those are characteristics of the Susanoo, not because Kurama magically did something to it. Makes no sense whatsoever.

Wrong. EMS Sasuke and Madara both armored their Susanoo onto Kurama and those characteristics were present. Armor doesn't change when you take it off of the armored body. That makes no sense. Sasuke's Tengu nose was shown BEFORE Susanoo was even armored onto Kurama.

Get evidence for the bold or it'll be ignored. Indra was shown and stated to have a Sharingan. Not a Rinnegan. Yet he still used a stabilized Susanoo. The manga clearly shows to anyone who can read it properly that PS is an EMS technique. Rinnegan is not needed for it to reach Perfect Stage.

The armor changed once latched onto Kurama. The unstablizied version had no such features but only once once put on Kuruma did it gain such features. Obviously Kuruma changes it.

EMS can make susano perfect, but it cannot fully stabilize it. Nose and diamond.

Again it doesnt have to be rinnegan or kuruma but the balance of yin and yang chakras. But either way EMS is not enough.

 

[Angelic.]

if they tried that again with yin kurama would it not work?

 

[Conspirator.]

The armor changed once latched onto Kurama. The unstablizied version had no such features but only once once put on Kuruma did it gain such features. Obviously Kuruma changes it.

EMS can make susano perfect, but it cannot fully stabilize it. Nose and diamond.

Again it doesnt have to be rinnegan or kuruma but the balance of yin and yang chakras. But either way EMS is not enough.

No it doesn't. Because Madara armoured the "stabilized" version onto Kurama. Like I said, it's quite clear that PS is an EMS technique.

 

[RedRobin]

No it doesn't. Because Madara armoured the "stabilized" version onto Kurama. Like I said, it's quite clear that PS is an EMS technique.

No Madara combined stabilized and Kurama to a get stabilized form.

Obviously it is. But if you want the stabilized version(Diamond and nose) you cant do it with just EMS.

Another thing on the Indra point, you say he only had MS but with MS he wouldnt have been able get that form of Susano. So obviously there was something else involved.

 

[Dantee]

Madara confirmed he fought Hashi with Ps which means its an EMS tech and is stabilized with it.
This is a dum thread honestly. Why are you going against the author? If Kurama or the Rinnegan had anything to do with PS it would be emphasized and there would be no need for a baseless theory like this.

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[Conspirator.]

No Madara combined stabilized and Kurama to a get stabilized form.

Obviously it is. But if you want the stabilized version(Diamond and nose) you cant do it with just EMS.

It still has the same facial features......the same tengu nose as the PS etc The only difference is the shape of the armour, but that's due to Madara's PS being bigger that Kurama, so he needs to compress it to fit the kyuubi.(using shape transformation) There's nothing that implies Madara couldn't do it while he was alive. Then there's Indra using PS without the rinnegan or any bijuu.

 

[KidGamer65]

The armor changed once latched onto Kurama. The unstablizied version had no such features but only once once put on Kuruma did it gain such features. Obviously Kuruma changes it.

Except the unstabilized form isn't armored onto Kurama. The stabilized form is.

1. Susanoo is stabilized.

2. Armored onto Kurama.

Kurama doesn't change anything. Makes no sense. At all.

EMS can make susano perfect, but it cannot fully stabilize it. Nose and diamond.

Only the stabilized Susanoo has the tengu nose. FACT.

Sasuke used it before armoring onto Kurama as shown in the scan. FACT.

EMS is all that is necessary. FACT.

Again it doesnt have to be rinnegan or kuruma but the balance of yin and yang chakras. But either way EMS is not enough.

Lol, you definitely pulled this shit out of your ass. Especially since Indra inherited Yin from Rikudo, not Yang. So he's more Yin oriented, which again, shits on your premise.

At the very most Indra had an EMS leveled Dojutsu, and he used a stabilized Susanoo. Until you prove that he had something that let him use stabilized Susanoo, you are wrong. Simple as that.

 

[RedRobin]

It still has the same facial features......the same tengu nose as the PS etc The only difference is the shape of the armour, but that's due to Madara's PS being bigger that Kurama, so he needs to compress it to fit the kyuubi.(using shape transformation) There's nothing that implies Madara couldn't do it while he was alive. Then there's Indra using PS without the rinnegan or any bijuu.

If Madara was using the armor anyway he could have stabilized PS and then fuse them. But no he couldnt stabilize PS but once fused with Kurama was it stabilized.

Indra was only shown to have MS, so can he unlock that Susano with just MS?

 

[Conspirator.]

If Madara was using the armor anyway he could have stabilized PS and then fuse them. But no he couldnt stabilize PS but once fused with Kurama was it stabilized.

Indra was only shown to have MS, so can he unlock that Susano with just MS?

That makes no sense. Especially since Sasuke stabilized his susanoo(with the tengu nose) prior to armouring it onto naruto sage tailed beast mode. There's literally nothing that shows the kyuubi having any affect on Madara stabilizing susanoo...
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Of course. Indra inherited hagaromo's spiritual/yin energies. So of course he could. It's quite clear that he's stronger than any of his transmigrants aside from current Sasuke.(due to genetics) It makes sense for Indra to awaken PS with just MS, but EMS being needed for Madara/sasuke.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Wrong, Itachi and Sasuke's MS final susanoo's had the jutting noses. However, EMS Madara and EMS sasuke's "unstabilized" susanoo has the beak form.

And that means what to me? You are aware there is another form of susano'o inside the beaks correct, with the eyes glowing inside the mouths?

There was a fantastic Susanoo thread I read a while back. I will link you to it if you want.(It explained the MS/EMS susanoo version appearanes.)

Assuming it's correct.

Madara confirmed he fought Hashi with Ps which means its an EMS tech and is stabilized with it.

He didn't confirm anything. He stated Hashirama was the only one who could stop him. That is all.

This is a dum thread honestly.

You shouldn't say things are dumb when you can't even spell the word correctly, no offense.

Why are you going against the author?

No one is going against Kishimoto. We are giving our insight of things. Nothing more, nothing less.

If Kurama or the Rinnegan had anything to do with PS it would be emphasized and there would be no need for a baseless theory like this.

But there is. PS was not shown until both Madara and Sasuke possessed the Rinnegan. Furthermore, the chapter where Naruto and Sasuke combine their cloaks calls it the "mixing of two powers."

 

[RedRobin]

Except the unstabilized form isn't armored onto Kurama. The stabilized form is.

1. Susanoo is stabilized.

2. Armored onto Kurama.

Kurama doesn't change anything. Makes no sense. At all.

lol and all that happened in a matter of seconds right?

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Its obvious, he fused unstablilzed with Kurama. Kuruma changing the armor and making it stabilize.

Only the stabilized Susanoo has the tengu nose. FACT.

Sasuke used it before armoring onto Kurama as shown in the scan. FACT.

EMS is all that is necessary. FACT.

You realized a tengu nose sticks out right?

Please I would love to see Sasuke's susano have a tengu nose before being involved with Kuruma or getting rinnegan?

you definitely pulled this shit out of your ass. Especially since Indra inherited Yin from Rikudo, not Yang. So he's more Yin oriented, which again, shits on your premise.

At the very most Indra had an EMS leveled Dojutsu, and he used a stabilized Susanoo. Until you prove that he had something that let him use stabilized Susanoo, you are wrong. Simple as that.

Indra was shown with MS, so he awakened that susano with MS? Right obviously since he would have never been able to get EMS that there is something else involved.

 

[Dantee]

when you can't even spell the word correctly, no offense.

Yeah I can I just did. Idgaf

 

[duren batu]

Until state otherwise by kishi himself, I agree with pawsx.
Ms = leg less complete susanoo with cloak.
EMS = full body susanoo with cloak.
Rinnegan = perfect susanoo.

If you only need EMS to make ps, then why sasuke perform it after he gain rinnegan?
I believe kishi will show us obito susanoo.

 

[UCE]

Yep, that May be really true.