Kakashi vs Minato?

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Minato is the greatest genius to come out of the Leaf. Manga fact.

Minato solo'd the 3rd Shinobi War. Manga fact

Minato solo'd all of Cloud to get Kushina back,
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Kakashi failed to save Obito AND Rin

Minato saved the village and is Konoha's greatest hero, with only Naruto coming second.
Kakashi is a deadbeat Jonin who spends all his days wallowing in self pity.
No need to exaggerate manga facts. "He beat all of the Cloud ninja!" Yeah, three chunin-rank Cloud ninja. Kakashi, at 13, defeated a jonin-rank shinobi by himself (Kakko) and, right after, fought a whole legion of Iwagakure shinobi, chunin-/jonin-rank most likely, by himself, killing quite a few of them alone.
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kamui is the only way kakashi can win. just as ftg. it doesnt prove anything its there respective jutsus
It kind of does, since FTG is much more versatile than Kamui.
 

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kamui is the only way kakashi can win. just as ftg. it doesnt prove anything its there respective jutsus
Even Kakashi's Kamui isn't enough, while he is fast with it, he's not as instantaneous as FTG, not to mention, that he can only use it around 3 times, then he is drained of Chakra, meanwhile Minato can use FTG seemingly endlessly, without fatigue.
 

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No need to exaggerate manga facts. "He beat all of the Cloud ninja!" Yeah, three chunin-rank Cloud ninja. Kakashi, at 13, defeated a jonin-rank shinobi by himself (Kakko) and, right after, fought a whole legion of Iwagakure shinobi, chunin-/jonin-rank most likely, by himself, killing quite a few of them alone.
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It doesn't really mean anything comparing their feats as children, when their growth was not on par.
Minato developed a technique that surpasses anything of Kakashi's, while it is an altered version of the 2nd Hokage's technique, the way Minato uses it makes him practically invulnerable, something which Kakashi is not.
 

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No need to exaggerate manga facts. "He beat all of the Cloud ninja!" Yeah, three chunin-rank Cloud ninja. Kakashi, at 13, defeated a jonin-rank shinobi by himself (Kakko) and, right after, fought a whole legion of Iwagakure shinobi, chunin-/jonin-rank most likely, by himself, killing quite a few of them alone.
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It kind of does, since FTG is much more versatile than Kamui.
Lel, where did you get 3 cloud chunin from? It clearly stated "The Cloud" meaning everyone from cloud.
 

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Even Kakashi's Kamui isn't enough, while he is fast with it, he's not as instantaneous as FTG, not to mention, that he can only use it around 3 times, then he is drained of Chakra, meanwhile Minato can use FTG seemingly endlessly, without fatigue.
I agree that kamui will not be able to kill minato but the 3 uses does not apply to war-arc Kakashi at all. He has used it much more than 3 times on his own chakra without getting completely drained.
 

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It doesn't really mean anything comparing their feats as children, when their growth was not on par.
Minato developed a technique that surpasses anything of Kakashi's, while it is an altered version of the 2nd Hokage's technique, the way Minato uses it makes him practically invulnerable, something which Kakashi is not.
Um...Kakashi, at 13, developed Raikiri/Chidori, if you didn't know, which is = to Rasengan...

And Minato didn't create any variant of FTG; Tobirama only said that Minato used FTG better/more efficiently than he did. That's all. Minato used the same FTG as Tobirama, and it's even shown by both of their demonstrations of the technique in their fight with Juubito.

And childhood accomplishments and such do matter; this is an overall comparison of two ninjas fully, not just adult vs adult.
Lel, where did you get 3 cloud chunin from? It clearly stated "The Cloud" meaning everyone from cloud.
*very hard facepalm*

Not only was it (1) shown in the manga that there were three Cloud shinobi, and (2) shown in the anime that it was only three Cloud shinobi, but (3) no sane intelligent person would believe that Minato, as a child, faced the whole Cloud village. *smh*
 
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In his first real fight of the series Kakashi lost to Zabuza and had to be rescued by Naruto and Sasuke.
Lost do you realise zabuza's intentions at that point was not to fight kakashi it was to seperate him from the others kakashi was not even in dangerand when he got out of the water prison he beat zabuza senseless but your gonna forget that was apart of the fight to win this argument arent you?
 

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No need to exaggerate manga facts. "He beat all of the Cloud ninja!" Yeah, three chunin-rank Cloud ninja. Kakashi, at 13, defeated a jonin-rank shinobi by himself (Kakko) and, right after, fought a whole legion of Iwagakure shinobi, chunin-/jonin-rank most likely, by himself, killing quite a few of them alone.
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It kind of does, since FTG is much more versatile than Kamui.
I doubt they would send chunin to steal the ninetail jinchuruki so a young minato beat 3jonin level shinobi by himself
 

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Um...Kakashi, at 13, developed Raikiri/Chidori, if you didn't know, which is = to Rasengan...

And Minato didn't create any variant of FTG; Tobirama only said that Minato used FTG better/more efficiently than he did. That's all. Minato used the same FTG as Tobirama, and it's even shown by both of their demonstrations of the technique in their fight with Juubito.

And childhood accomplishments and such do matter; this is an overall comparison of two ninjas fully, not just adult vs adult.

*very hard facepalm*

Not only was it (1) shown in the manga that there were three Cloud shinobi, and (2) shown in the anime that it was only three Cloud shinobi, but (3) no sane intelligent person would believe that Minato, as a child, faced the whole Cloud village. *smh*
He is the greatest hero and genius of Konoha. Of course he did.
He also solo'd the 3rd war so why couldn't he defeat the cloud.
And don't use Anime feats here. scrub.
 

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It doesn't really mean anything comparing their feats as children, when their growth was not on par.
Minato developed a technique that surpasses anything of Kakashi's, while it is an altered version of the 2nd Hokage's technique, the way Minato uses it makes him practically invulnerable, something which Kakashi is not.
exactly thats like comparing naruto to sasuke. growth means nothing
 

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I doubt they would send chunin to steal the ninetail jinchuruki so a young minato beat 3jonin level shinobi by himself
Even if they were jonin (which I doubt), Kakashi, at 13, beat a high jonin-rank ninja alone, and then fought a whole platoon/squadron of Iwagakure jonin right after that, and I'm pretty sure he killed more than 3 of them.

He is the greatest hero and genius of Konoha. Of course he did.
He also solo'd the 3rd war so why couldn't he defeat the cloud.
And don't use Anime feats here. scrub.
Are you tripping on acid? You didn't respond back to the topic of Minato solo'ing the whole Cloud village at all, maybe because you realize how idiotic you sounded.

And you're the scrub, scrub. Maybe if you stop denying manga facts, you could make logical arguments.
 
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Um...Kakashi, at 13, developed Raikiri/Chidori, if you didn't know, which is = to Rasengan...

And Minato didn't create any variant of FTG; Tobirama only said that Minato used FTG better/more efficiently than he did. That's all. Minato used the same FTG as Tobirama, and it's even shown by both of their demonstrations of the technique in their fight with Juubito.

And childhood accomplishments and such do matter; this is an overall comparison of two ninjas fully, not just adult vs adult.
If you're comparing them against eachother as adults though, Minato would defeat Kakashi in a fight. Also, Minato managed to land a hit on Obito, in their first fight, by analysing his technique after only seeing it used a couple of times, without the use of Kamui. Something no-one else was able to do, no-one. Konan managed to damage him, after analysing his abilities over a considerable amount of time, and preparing the battlefield considerably before hand. That feat alone is incredible.
And Yeah I was probably wrong about minato altering the FTG, but to be able to take the jutsu of a previous Hokage, and use it even better than them, as well as fight against the full power of the Nine Tails, not just the Half of it's chakra we've only seen up until now is another feat worth mentioning. Sure Kakashi created the Chidori/Raikiri, and it's just about as powerful as the rasengan, after years of using it, although if we look at the face of the two Jutsu's when Sasuke and Naruto were both new to those techniques, and were going to clash, Naruto's Rasengan done considerably more damage to the water tanker than Sasuke, although all other clashes of the two techniques resulted in them cancelling eachother out.
 

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Even if they were jonin (which I doubt), Kakashi, at 13, beat a high jonin-rank ninja alone, and then fought a whole platoon/squadron of Iwagakure jonin right after that, and I'm pretty sure he killed more than 3 of them.
Lel, so that one fodder is HIGH-jonin now. And he just happens to kill a bunch of jonins off-screen huh?
 

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Um...Kakashi, at 13, developed Raikiri/Chidori, if you didn't know, which is = to Rasengan...

And Minato didn't create any variant of FTG; Tobirama only said that Minato used FTG better/more efficiently than he did. That's all. Minato used the same FTG as Tobirama, and it's even shown by both of their demonstrations of the technique in their fight with Juubito.

And childhood accomplishments and such do matter; this is an overall comparison of two ninjas fully, not just adult vs adult.

*very hard facepalm*

Not only was it (1) shown in the manga that there were three Cloud shinobi, and (2) shown in the anime that it was only three Cloud shinobi, but (3) no sane intelligent person would believe that Minato, as a child, faced the whole Cloud village. *smh*
and its not a valid argument. FACT. sasuke was a genius, naruto was a late bloomer. does that prove that sasuke > naruto? no. so like he said comparing Growth proves nothing because even geniuses will be surpassed. if minato bloomed late then your comparing a skilled child to a child who wasnt so skilled which isnt a good point
 

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Minato coming up with the plan against madara puts him slightly higher than Kakashi in terms of analysis. Although Kakashi's whole life has been about enduring and trying to live with his guilt. In terms of the emotional aspects of being a shinobi I give it to Kakashi
 

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Even if they were jonin (which I doubt), Kakashi, at 13, beat a high jonin-rank ninja alone, and then fought a whole platoon/squadron of Iwagakure jonin right after that, and I'm pretty sure he killed more than 3 of them.
Why would you think they would send anything less than jonin to kidnappe a a villages jinchuriki that makes no sense logically. In the 3rd shinobi war flee on sight commands were used for minato regardless of level numbers and all he was a jonin at the time
 

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Why would you think they would send anything less than jonin to kidnappe a a villages jinchuriki that makes no sense logically. In the 3rd shinobi war flee on sight commands were used for minato regardless of level numbers and all he was a jonin at the time
Because I highly doubt that kidnapping mission was freakin' A-/S-rank, and I said "even if they were jonin", if you read what I posted...

And that still doesn't change that Kakashi defeated a jonin plus faced a platoon of Iwagakure shinobi alone.

If you're comparing them against eachother as adults though, Minato would defeat Kakashi in a fight. Also, Minato managed to land a hit on Obito, in their first fight, by analysing his technique after only seeing it used a couple of times, without the use of Kamui. Something no-one else was able to do, no-one. Konan managed to damage him, after analysing his abilities over a considerable amount of time, and preparing the battlefield considerably before hand. That feat alone is incredible.
And Yeah I was probably wrong about minato altering the FTG, but to be able to take the jutsu of a previous Hokage, and use it even better than them, as well as fight against the full power of the Nine Tails, not just the Half of it's chakra we've only seen up until now is another feat worth mentioning. Sure Kakashi created the Chidori/Raikiri, and it's just about as powerful as the rasengan, after years of using it, although if we look at the face of the two Jutsu's when Sasuke and Naruto were both new to those techniques, and were going to clash, Naruto's Rasengan done considerably more damage to the water tanker than Sasuke, although all other clashes of the two techniques resulted in them cancelling eachother out.
The fact is:'
- Rasengan = Chidori
- Raikiri > Rasengan
- FRS >= Raikiri
 
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