Biggest Plot hole: Itachi defeating Orochimau.
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Uh, yes. How is that trolling? If Orochimaru could beat Itachi then he would have done so, but it's a canon fact that he didn't.
Also what facts are you posting? All I saw is fanfiction
This member summed it up perfectly
edwinblack
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Jirayia's specialties were fighting otherworldy creatures and such not 1 on 1 battles, he may be ranked stronger than Itachi but doesnt mean Itachi couldnt win in a 1 on 1 battle. (ps, I'm confident that Jirayia would beat Itachi)
UltimateDeadpool
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Define "solo." Other people define their illogical jabber as fanboy wank.
Orochimaru can avoid eye contact, or use snake sensing.
Orochimaru wasn't trying to beat Itachi, he was trying to take Itachi's body. HUGE difference. Aside from holding back, was also dying.
Yes, you do appear to just see what you want.
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AlphaScythian
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What are you talking about?
That oro has weakness against sharingan base genjutsu let alone tsukuyomi. This alone would deny all his chances against itachi.
You don't seem to understand that there is no difference. There was no fight or brawl. He got shut down before he could do anythign. whether he was going for the kill or not wouldn't change him getting shut down by genjutsu in the start of the match
He still failed at doing that
and even if he was at full health we still don't know if he would be stronger than Itachi because he wasn't and it didn't happen. You're just assuming things, I'm going by the mangaManga > fanfiction
UltimateDeadpool
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Orochimau used the Curse Seal on Sasuke's neck as a medium to exist outside of Sasuke's body, but remained stuck to that medium. So aside from having no body, he also didn't have his arms.
Orochimaru was about to break Itachi's genjutsu. Orochimaru was weak and dying and needed a body, since he couldn't take Itachi's he had to leave to find another one.
Orochimaru appears to require eye contact to take someone's body. He stared into Itachi's eyes, stared into Genyuumaru's eyes, and stared into Sasuke's eyes. In fact, Orochimaru avoided eye contact with Sasuke until he engaged his soul transfer. In a fight to the death, Orochimaru has no reason to look into Itachi's eyes and will undoubtedly use snake sensing.
You said it yourself, we don't know how strong 100% Orochimaru is in comparison to Itachi. You also say I can't assume things, and yet in your next breath say "manga > fanfiction" even though as you said the manga doesn't even say.He still failed at doing that
Manga > fanfiction
The funniest thing is, you have no idea what I'm assuming.
What you don't understand is that there is.
Orochimaru tried to use soul transfer, which requires eye contact, and got shut down.
Orochimaru has no reason to soul transfer if he's going for the kill.
Also, it's hilarious how you think Itachi "beat" Orochimaru by cutting off the hand of an immortal regenerating freak that giggles at getting chopped to pieces, and forgetting too that it was a weak and dying Orochimaru without killing intent.
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Lightbringer
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He lost his arms fighting Hiruzen. One would assume he went all out in that fight since he was close to being defeated.
I don't doubt he has more jutsu, but I don't think he's as powerful as people make him out to be. Aside for his menacing persona and perfection of Edo Tensei, he hasn't done anything that really wowed me in terms of jutsu.
What we do know is that Itachi > "unhealthy" Orochimaru. And unhealthy Orochimaru is the only Orochimaru that really exists since we haven't seen him healthy, so in the end Itachi > Orochimaru unless you have some unreleased panels of healthy Orochimaru
Also I believe Itachi was unhealthy too unless I'm mistaken
UltimateDeadpool
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Orochimaru made eye contact with Itachi, Genyuumaru, and Sasuke. Orochimaru also avoided eye contact with Sasuke until he engaged the soul transfer. And after his run-in with Itachi, Orochimaru should know to avoid eye contact unless it were necessary.
But there is a 100% Orochimaru and we have no idea how well Itachi would fair against him.
MS does take a toll on the user.
AlphaScythian
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Nothing like it, oro was merely suppressed, is he using anko's neck now? Even in that fight he fully detached, used his biggest snake and got fodderized. Just deal with it.
Just speculation, nothing says he was at his 3y body limit.
You should know that no eye contact is right down impossible, only gai could have a chance pulling it out.
Snake's sensing alone w/o SM wouldnd do shit, kabuto had real snake attached to him unlike orochimaru.
Lets not speculate on snake sensing oro never had.
Shikimaru made eye contact with everyone he's ever used shadowpossession on.
Obviously Eye contact is neccesary for his Hiden ninjutsu
Correlation does not imply causation. Get better arguments for Orchimaru's cocky stupidity.
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UltimateDeadpool
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Juugo combined Anko's Curse Seal with Orochimaru's cells and his own flesh to give Orochimaru a body.
Orochimaru has a stated time limit of a couple years, 3 is a decent approximation.
No eye contact isn't impossible, the Senju did it for close to a millenium. The trick is to not look at their eyes. Hell, I didn't even make eye contact with people until I was made to by my parents as a teen because it was considered rude not to, I'd just look in peoples' directions. I often still do that.
Kabuto got Orochimaru's abilities, Kabuto had snake sensing. Kabuto started using snake sensing, Sasuke said Kabuto has Orochimaru's abilities.
Proof? I didn't see him make eye contact with Kinkaku or Obito in my recent memory.
Lightbringer
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We don't know what the implication for the senju were or that every Uchiha used genjutsu.
Itachi doesn't need eye contact to put you under either.
Also Kabuto has more than Orochimaru's abilities. Orochimaru doesn't have SM, which is what gives Kabuto his sensing abilities.
