Biggest Plot hole: Itachi defeating Orochimau.

[Liquid Snake]

Essentially.

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[Complex]

Wasn't orochimaru in like a genjutsu from itachi

 

[AlphaScythian]

1. Never was it stated that itachi needed kisame for jiraya, it was in reference to kyuubi itself.

2. Oro was in process of dispelling it, but too slow and wouldnt help much. Itachi had no killing intend vs kurenai and co.

3. Genjutsu stats doesnt free one from sharingan hypnosis U_U

4. So? Instead of hand could be a head.

5. Conclusion, orochimaru was scared cuz he was facing the dude who wiped all of uchiha clan and craving that power himself he put 1+1 together and left.

 

[Owarij]

~Using anime to base your reasoning
~Thinking Itachi Really can't beat Jiraya
~ He did come out of the genjutsu, but lost his arm, Had no time to activate his body replacement jutsu. . You don't get the point of what happnened. Itachi could have gone for a death blow but spared his life due to his pacifistic nature. That is his loss.

~ He lost the fight, Backed up by the databook as a "humiliating defeat" and also by his own words " He is stronger than I am"

 

[7th Path]

Itachi intention was to protect Konoha, not to kill their strongest shinibo (at that time).

He was talkin seriously, check narutopedia.

Itachi never casted genjutsu on Jiraiya, so point here is invalid.

The point is that even 3 genjutsu ninjas can dispell Genjutsu in general, so should be easier for 5 genjutsu ninjas.

Orochimaru realised that Itachi is far above him and decided to withdraw.

That's funny because getting Sharingan is Orochimaru's dream, he can't give up that easily, he's also kinda immortal.

 

[Simbv]

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Thanks I was looking for this.
Orochi got owned by regular sharingan Genjutsu.
What a fluke

 

[Jiraiyathesannin]

It wasn't prime Oro, it was him in a dilapidated body. Prime Orochi > Prime Jiraiya. It's just that he weakened his body by experimenting and failing over and over again. He is probably on Hiruzen's level and would wipe the floor with Itachi if given the strength of his original body. Pretty much the Oro that we see throughout the series is a much much weaker version of him, let's not forget that he was a prodigy.

Incorrect. Jman stomps

 

[Lulgasm]

First let's see the fight:

[video=youtube;SqpKvdLKnRM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqpKvdLKnRM[/video]


here are the contradictions:

1/ It's said that Itachi can't defeat Jiraiya even with Kisame's help, and we all know that Jiraiya failed to force Oro to return to village, let's just say Jiraiya = Orochimaru (it's not what the thread is about)

2/ Orochimaru got trapped into a usual Sharingan Genjutsu (not a MS one), In the fight between Itachi, Kisame vs Kakashi, Asuma and Kurenai, the latter one was able easily to dispell It by simply biting her mouth.

2/ The databook says that Orochimaru has 5 in Genjutsu, Jiraiya for exemple has 3 and he is able to dispell Genjutsus while Orochimaru couldn't.

3/ Itachi cut Orochimaru's arm when he wanted to dispell it, He actually helped him getting out of it !

4/ By cutting his arm Orochimaru can regenerate his body so he was able te make it grow again and use handseals and Ninjutsu to fight.

Conclusion: The fight is a plot hole and Kishi is an Itachi fanboy.

I think it was an excuse for Kisame to believe. He had no intentions to fight him.

 

[Bogard]

Itachi was stronger, but i always thought people overhyped that skirmich. The simple fact Itachi knew about yamata no orochi which is in Orochimaru's alternate dimension originally, makes me think the battle was longer than what was actually seen

 

[Magatsu Izanagi]

He was talkin seriously, check narutopedia.

Narutopedia is a wiki, and can be edited by anyone. Use manga to back up your statements.

 

[7th Path]

~Using anime to base your reasoning
~Thinking Itachi Really can't beat Jiraya
~ He did come out of the genjutsu, but lost his arm, Had no time to activate his body replacement jutsu. . You don't get the point of what happnened. Itachi could have gone for a death blow but spared his life due to his pacifistic nature. That is his loss.

~ He lost the fight, Backed up by the databook as a "humiliating defeat" and also by his own words " He is stronger than I am

-Same thing in the manga happened
-Itachi can't beat Jiraiya simply because Low chakra ninjas can't beat high reserves ninjas, unless they do it in short time which is impossible against a shinobi like Jiraiya.
-You refer to the databook now.

 

[NarutoB]

He was talkin seriously, check narutopedia.



The point is that even 3 genjutsu ninjas can dispell Genjutsu in general, so should be easier for 5 genjutsu ninjas.



That's funny because getting Sharingan is Orochimaru's dream, he can't give up that easily, he's also kinda immortal.

Exactly, he's immortal, giving him all the time in the world to go after Sasuke

Also we didn't see the whole Itachi vs Orochimaru fight, he could've dispelled Itachi's genjutsu and still lost

 

[The Necromancer]

That fight is anime only.
In the manga I think they said itachi used Tsyukiyomi.
(Can't spell that for shit)

Not true.

OT. It's not a plot hole whatsoever.

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

its not plot hole bro itachi is genjutsu master

 

[Magatsu Izanagi]

You refer to the databook now.

There's nothing wrong with that, as long as the databook isn't contradicting the manga...

 

[RicardoA]

ps: I'm not an Itachi hater.

Nope, but you're an Orochimaru fanboy (no offence, i can be too sometimes U_U).

OT: There's absolutely no plot hole:

1 - Wrong. Itachi was on Konoha's side all the time, he would never harm one of its strongest fighters.

2 - Kurenai is the genjutsu specialist though and Itachi's genjutsu had paralyzing properties.

3 - So? Itachi wasn't planning to kill Orochimaru at that point. And that wasn't a fight by any means.

4 - Who said he had Oral Rebirth at that point? Who said he wanted to fight after being dominated so easily? There's a reason why he went after Sasuke. He knew Itachi was too strong for him.

The purpose of that 'fight' was to emphasize Itachi and the sharingan's power. It fit its purpose, but shouldn't be taken out of contest.

 

[7th Path]

Also we didn't see the whole Itachi vs Orochimaru fight, he could've dispelled Itachi's genjutsu and still lost

If he lost I want to see a good reason behind it, I want to see the full fight,

 

[NarutoB]

If he lost I want to see a good reason behind it, I want to see the full fight,

Susanoo.

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[assface3]

Itachi beating Orochimaru was complete bullshit.

 

[UCE]

whatever makes you happy