Biggest Plot hole: Itachi defeating Orochimau.

[The Necromancer]

If he lost I want to see a good reason behind it, I want to see the full fight,

The reason was Itachi was stronger. You're never going to see the full fight (if there even is any more to it) and it's a fact that Itachi didn't even use Yata or Totsuka against him.

Sometimes you just have to accept what happens.

 

[Owarij]

If he lost I want to see a good reason behind it, I want to see the full fight,

There is no fight. He got stomped. The same way Deidara got stomped by him. Genjutsu at the start of the match. He didn't get to do shit. He lost.
If there is more to the fight. (There are 0 signs or indicators, no blood, no damage on the ground, burnt trees) We're never going to see it, and it doesn't change what happened in the end

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

First let's see the fight:

here are the contradictions:

1/ It's said that Itachi can't defeat Jiraiya even with Kisame's help, and we all know that Jiraiya failed to force Oro to return to village, let's just say Jiraiya = Orochimaru (it's not what the thread is about)

2/ Orochimaru got trapped into a usual Sharingan Genjutsu (not a MS one), In the fight between Itachi, Kisame vs Kakashi, Asuma and Kurenai, the latter one was able easily to dispell It by simply biting her mouth.

3/ The databook says that Orochimaru has 5 in Genjutsu, Jiraiya for exemple has 3 and he is able to dispell Genjutsus while Orochimaru couldn't.

4/ Itachi cut Orochimaru's arm when he wanted to dispell it, He actually helped him getting out of it !

5/ By cutting his arm Orochimaru can regenerate his body so he was able te make it grow again and use handseals and Ninjutsu to fight.

Conclusion: The fight is a plot hole and Kishi is an Itachi fanboy.

1. Itachi and Jiraiya would draw.

2. Itachi used the genjutsu to counter the soul transfer, just as Sasuke did. Orochimaru seems to need to make eye contact for the soul transfer.

3. The genjutsu stat measures your proficiency at using genjutsu, not combating it. Jiraiya is proof of that.

4. True, but Itachi isn't really all that smart.

5. True.

Itachi is a mary sue.

 

[7th Path]

Nope, but you're an Orochimaru fanboy (no offence, i can be too sometimes ).

Actually i'm a Jiraiya fanboy but i respect Orochimaru alot.

1 - Wrong. Itachi was on Konoha's side all the time, he would never harm one of its strongest fighters

I answered this many times, he can't beat jiraiya anyway.

2 - Kurenai is the genjutsu specialist though and Itachi's genjutsu seemed to have paralyzing properties.

come on bro can't say Kurenai is better in Genjutsu than the Legendary Sannin Orochimaru.

The purpose of that 'fight' was to emphasize Itachi and the sharingan's power. It fit its purpose, but shouldn't be taken out of contest.

I also Believe That, just to emphasize Itachi.

 

[Owarij]

The genjutsu stat measures your proficiency at using genjutsu

The stat measures your Knowledge AND proficiency in using genjutsu.

Having knowledge of the mechanics of genjutsu involves how to counter it. Did you not see Orochimaru immediately describe what Kind of genjutsu and starting doing exactly what he was supposed to to break it?

 

[Lightbringer]

Itachi can defeat Jiraiya in my opinion.

He only said that so he and Kisame wouldn't have to kill him, since he is still secretly trying to help Konoha

 

[VongolaX]

OP you got the wrong idea..,

Itachi and Orochimaru individual >>>>> Jiraiya

Jiraiya hyped himself, and itachi encouraged him.

Jiraiya even said that his mountain toad belly technique, no ninja alive can escape it.

Itachi did it within seconds...

 

[7th Path]

Susanoo.

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We knew that there are many ways to break Susano'o, Tsunade did, Itachi can't maintain Susano'o for a long time.

 

[NarutoB]

We knew that there are many ways to break Susano'o, Tsunade did, Itachi can't maintain Susano'o for a long time.

You mean Madara's incomplete Susanoo right?

What does Orochimaru have to break Perfect Susanoo? Super tongue attack? He doesn't need much time to beat Orochimaru. He had it up long enough to do this

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[7th Path]

You mean Madara's incomplete Susanoo right?

What does Orochimaru have to break Perfect Susanoo? Super tongue attack? He doesn't need much time to beat Orochimaru. He had it up long enough to do this

And do you know about all Orochimaru's jutsus ? The guy devoted his life for gathering them !

 

[NarutoB]

And do you know about all Orochimaru's jutsus ? The guy devoted his life for gathering them !

Well if you know one that can break Perfect Susanoo, feel free to post it

 

[7th Path]

Well if you know one that can break Perfect Susanoo, feel free to post it

Breaking it is not the goal, and having Susano'o doesn't mean that you won, the battle could just have gone otherways ..

Just keep in mind that Orochimaru is a nunjutsu specialist, there are hundred ways for him to handle the battle. the guy was even playin with 4 beast naruto.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

He was talkin seriously, check narutopedia.

The point is that even 3 genjutsu ninjas can dispell Genjutsu in general, so should be easier for 5 genjutsu ninjas.

That's funny because getting Sharingan is Orochimaru's dream, he can't give up that easily, he's also kinda immortal.

1. No, he didn't. Anyone with little brain can understand that.
2. Itachi is best genjutsu user (alongside Shisui) showed in series, so you can't put his genjutsu and someone's other genjutsu in same category.
3. You can't take something from opponent who is far stronger than you, simple as that.

 

[NarutoB]

Breaking it is not the goal, and having Susano'o doesn't mean that you won, the battle could just have gone otherways ..

In which Itachi still won, apparently. Itachi > Orochimaru. Manga fact. You can't use Jiraiya as an excuse as to why Orochimaru is stronger because A>B>C logic doesn't work in Naruto.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

You mean Madara's incomplete Susanoo right?

What does Orochimaru have to break Perfect Susanoo? Super tongue attack? He doesn't need much time to beat Orochimaru. He had it up long enough to do this

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Doesn't need to break Itachi's Susanoo, he can wrap giant snakes around Susanoo to restrain it which forces Itachi to waste chakra, and there's a vulnerable spot under Susanoo that Orochimaru can take advantage of. Leech All Creation + Kusanagi > Itachi.

P.S. That happened to an armless disembodied spirit of Orochimaru that was stuck to a growth on Sasuke's neck and didn't see Susanoo's giant sword as a threat since he's immortal.

Well if you know one that can break Perfect Susanoo, feel free to post it

Itachi doesn't have Perfect Susanoo.

 

[7th Path]

logic doesn't work in Naruto.

That's why I called it contradiction (plot hole) from the beginning.

 

[NarutoB]

Doesn't need to break Itachi's Susanoo, he can wrap giant snakes around Susanoo to restrain it which forces Itachi to waste chakra, and there's a vulnerable spot under Susanoo that Orochimaru can take advantage of. Leech All Creation + Kusanagi > Itachi.

Nice fanfiction

 

[NarutoB]

That's why I called it contradiction (plot hole) from the beginning.

-_-

Have fun

 

[7th Path]

Doesn't need to break Itachi's Susanoo, he can wrap giant snakes around Susanoo to restrain it which forces Itachi to waste chakra, and there's a vulnerable spot under Susanoo that Orochimaru can take advantage of. Leech All Creation + Kusanagi > Itachi.

Exactly this, see Edo Madara vs Naruto and Gaara fight and how they got him out from it.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

Essentially.

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