[Discussion] Garp vs Kuzan
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Dude even the wiki states that Marco doesn't have CoO. He hasn't shown it therefore he doesn't have it. Ace was WB's 2nd division commander and he didn't even have CoA.
Show me feats. Ace was strong and he didn't even have Haki (only CoC). Even if Marco had CoO he can't predict someone who's not in his sight. He didn't even see Garp coming.
Now your just straight up lying.
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Here you can clearly see that he didn't see Garp and his expression didn't change at all. That was a filler in the anime. Then you can clearly see that Garp wasn't even able to oneshot him. He goes for a sucker punch and isn't even able to keep Marco down. Marco stood back up right after getting sucker punched. Barely got any bruises. The way people are overrating old Garp, Marco should've lost an eye.
Sorry if i sound like a d!ck. Not doing it intetionally.
When did Luffy say his haki was weak? He was able to coat his G3 arm with Haki while underwater. Garp has shown no such feats. From what we've seen Luffy's Haki is>Garp's. You can't claim Haki beastness unless you show Haki beastness. Btw. I already know he has Haki. But people here are overrating old Garp. He's not on Roger's level anymore.
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Garp, Shanks, Akainu, maybe Kizaru and Aokiji, BB, BM, Kaido, maybe Fujitora, probably Mihawk, Dragon, Rayleigh, Sengoku, maybe Dofy ... Are steonger Im sure im forgeting a few but Marco is in the top 15 - 20 in OP we've seen and Ace isn't that shabby either, they are both experienced NW pirates and 2. And 3. On WBs crew
If characters like Tashigi have haki it would be BEYOND stupid if Ace and Marco didn't have it, just because we never saw something doesnt mean it doesnt exist, we never saw roger fight but we can assume he was a freaking monster
Garp was said to corner Roger so to say he isnt a beastand one of the very steongest characters would be stupid, and ofc he has strong Haki, he is a marine and trained just like luffy except that luffy trained 2 years, garp trained for many decades, as it usually goes in the manga im prepared to bet that luffy and garp are very similar when it comes to strength except garp is older, has more experience and had the time and conditions to become WAAAAY stronger than what luffy is atm
EOS Luffy is pretty much gonna be Garp on steroids ... garps strength and Haki boosted by his gomu gomu
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You can't show that you have CoO. Roger had the One Piece. But we haven't seen it , therefore the legend of Roger is a lie right? Oh wait I forgot that your logic is flawed.
Must I show you a video?
Okay you got me here.
Marco regenerated all damage recieved. Or have you forgotten what he is capable of?
Punk hazard.
Of course Garp hasn't shown a feat underwater. We haven't seen him underwater. HURRDURR.
Garp isn't on Rogers level anymore. But Rayleigh is old too and still admiral level. Roger> Rayleigh and Garp was capable of fighting the pirate king. This means he is AT LEAST on Rayleighs level. You can't refer to feats that Garp doesn't have , but you can ignore all his feats he has over Luffy? Such as rivalling Whitebeard and Roger. FYI incase you forgot Whitebeard obliterated Marineford whilse he was dying and old.
By hype: Garp is the strongest marine. By feats : Garp is the strongest marine. By reputation: Garp is the strongest marine.
If he doesn't have a devil fruit , he must be a haki beast. It's the only way anyone can be that strong. With Haki. HAKI.
Aokjis feats so far: froze half an island over the period of 10 days. Defeated Jozu who is not much stronger than Luffy. And froze an ocean.
Impressive but the fact Garp rivalled roger and Whitebeard tanks that : he's the devil to ALL PIRATES. ( that includes Yonkou )
Aokiji lost to Akainu. When Garp was enraged at the sight of Aces death it required Sengoku to hold him down. SENGOKU!! He took on the whole Blackbeard pirate crew in a 10 vs 1. Sengoku did not hold him down because Garp would get hurt. He was held down because he knew Akainu would DIE. This is consolidated by the fact Garp told Sengoku that they both know Garp is capable of Killing Akainu.
Therefore:
GARP>( possibly >>> ) Akainu=/>Aokiji
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Good luck beating that
TROLOLOLOL
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That's my point. I believe that Marco has CoO but unless he's actually shown using it you can't add it to his arsenal. Having Haki has nothing to do with your strength.
We know Roger is strong since he was stalemating prime Whitebeard. All of those you mentioned have a testament on their Haki. Ace fought Smoker yet he wasn't capable of damaging him due to not having Haki.
That's one point. The other is that there's no way for Ace to have learned Haki. Ace died when he was 20. He joined WB at 17. He was with him for 3 years. Rayleigh told Luffy that 2 years is nowhere near enough time to learn Haki.
Luffy was able to learn it because he only focused on that. Normally it would take years. I doubt anyone taught Ace how to use Haki in 3 years. Rayleigh is a Haki master. He's the definition of a Haki beast. People expect Garp to have better haki then Kuzan even though he has shown no such feats. You don't get Haki just by being strong.
Ye because if Rayleigh cam teach you haki in 1.5 years than WB certainly cant ... Makes no sense
After reading "having haki has nothing to do with your strength" I suddenly feel stupid trying to argue with you
@rinnemaki the 2 feats you listed arent the only 2 feats of Aokiji
And do you mean jozu stronger than now liffy or pre ts luffy? Hes definitely a looooot stronger than pts luffy, as for present liffy we actually have mo idea how strong luffy is
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No my logic isn't flawed your simply twisting it around to fit your own agenda. Roger was stated to have the One piece and it was confirmed by the manga therefore he has it. Nowhere was it stated that Marco had CoO there's absolutely nothing to support it therefore he doesn't have it for now. Making up feats for him that hasn't been confirmed by the manga doesn't work.
Please show me. I would prefer a manga scan. Anime is filled with fillers. But if you can find a video showing Ace using CoA or CoO Haki then feel free to show it to me.
Again. Proving that Garp didn't oneshot him.
That's not my point. My point is that Luffy has shown feats that would make him a Haki beast while Garp hasn't. The only Haki feat Garp has shown is punching Marco and Luffy when he was a kid.
Garp rivaling Roger has nothing to do with his level of Haki/ current level of Haki. Comparing Whitebeard and Rayleigh with Garp is a bad comparison. We don't know how much Garp's age has effected him. He's alot older then both Whitebeard and Roger. Whitebeard obliterated marineford with his DF. Garp has no such thing. Current Rayleigh isn't admiral level. Sure he might be miles stronger then Luffy and the others but if he had continued fighting Kizaru he would've gotten killed. Rayleigh has little stamina now that he's old and stated himself that he gets tired easily due to his old age. Prime Rayleigh=Yonko level i agree but he's old now.
By hype: Garp is the strongest marine.
By feats: Akainu is the strongest marine
By reputation: Garp was the strongest marine
Garp has no feats. His only feat in combat was punching Marco (stood back up) and getting oneshotted by Luffy.
Umm...no. His fanbase calls him a Haki beast. His feats say otherwise. He could've been a Haki beast back in his prime but now he's just an old man. Haki beastness wont change the outcome of this fight. Even if he was still a Haki beast (which he hasn't shown) he would still lose to Kuzan.
He was the devil of all pirates. He used to rival Roger and Whitebeard. If prime Roger and Prime Whitebeard came back they would shit on Garp. Garp is no threat to Yonko's. Shanks shits on him.
Having Haki doesn't have anything to do with your strength. You don't need to be strong in order to have Haki. Shit-tiers like Tashigi have Haki. If you become strong you don't automatically gain Haki. Fact.
Whitebeard could've trained Ace in Haki. But we never see him use it even in situations where he should've used it.
Therefore Ace doesn't have haki and i can't believe you actually think he has even though he's never shown it even in situations that he should've used it.
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I'll be honest with you I didn't read the entire post only this last part because I saw the bolded word
I just don't really care about the rest but you were backing your claim on the premise that we never saw any significant feat from the characters your argumentbut now you wrote that Shanks sh?ts on Garp and that Garp has nothing against the Yonkos ... but we didn't see anything from Shanks or the other Yonkos so you just threw away most of the credibility of what you were arguing
correct me if anything in that last post you wrote and I didn't fully read shows things otherwise
PS: he might not be in his prime anymore but he looks a hell of a lot better than WB did and WB was above admiral level in his sorry state and stabbed through the chest
Garp is way past his prime. If he went after Shanks he would get shitted on. Whitebeard was still in shape as he was an active pirate fighting other pirates and he was younger.I'll be honest with you I didn't read the entire post only this last part because I saw the bolded word
but now you wrote that Shanks sh?ts on Garp and that Garp has nothing against the Yonkos ... but we didn't see anything from Shanks or the other Yonkos so you just threw away most of the credibility of what you were arguing
correct me if anything in that last post you wrote and I didn't fully read shows things otherwise
PS: he might not be in his prime anymore but he looks a hell of a lot better than WB did and WB was above admiral level in his sorry state and stabbed through the chest
Garp hasn't been in a real fight for years. Ever since Roger died all he's been doing is going after common thieves/low level pirates and eats donuts constantly. He's out of shape. Shanks losing to an old marine would be a disgrace to the title of Yonko.
Face it. Once your past your prime your not beating people like Shanks. Shanks's power can be estimated not by his feats but his hype and portrayal. Luffy is trying to surpass him and Shanks's has shown killer Haki.
Not to mention everyone shitted their pants when he showed up. Ended a war with mere words.
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I prefer manga too. I meant a video of Garp vs Marco. The anime has very few fillers actually. It has less fillers than Naruto PRE time skip. What do filler episodes have to do with this?
I feel like an idiot debating with someone who contradicts himself.I'll be honest with you I didn't read the entire post only this last part because I saw the bolded word
but now you wrote that Shanks sh?ts on Garp and that Garp has nothing against the Yonkos ... but we didn't see anything from Shanks or the other Yonkos so you just threw away most of the credibility of what you were arguing
correct me if anything in that last post you wrote and I didn't fully read shows things otherwise
PS: he might not be in his prime anymore but he looks a hell of a lot better than WB did and WB was above admiral level in his sorry state and stabbed through the chest
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"Shanks shits on Garp"
"We have not seen Garp use haki , we can't call him a Haki beast"
May I remind you we haven't seen Shanks fight to the fullest either.
Not only this but you judged shanks strength upon what we have not seen. Therefore you would normally do the same for Garp. Sadly you're basing Garps strength on the lack of screen time rather than feats and Hype. If you did then you would easily say Garp> Kuzan. But you haven't.
All in all you clearly dislike Garp and that's the only reason you can't admit Garp wins.
I don't dislike Garp. I prefer Garp over Kuzan. Garp is my favourite marine. I simply don't bring my personal opinion into debates. What do i have to admit? You haven't made any argument that would put Garp above Kuzan.
I've countered everything that you've said. Why would i admit that Garp wins when there's no reason to and when it's false?
Garp is my favourite marine yet i'm capable of admitting that another marine is stronger then him. I don't bring my personal opinions into debates. That's something most of the people in here aren't capable of doing.
Saying Shanks shits on Garp doesn't contradict at all. We can't say Garp is a haki beast because he hasn't shown any feats of a Haki beast.
But we can say that Shanks>Garp by simply using logic. Shanks is portrayed as the strongest character alive. Luffy is trying to surpass him.
Shanks has shown killer haki (unlike Garp). A CoA clash from Shanks and Garp was enough to split the sky and Shanks CoC was enough to start breaking WB's ship. Shanks also ended a war with words and is a Yonko.
It's simple. Via Oda's portrayal and statements.
Yonko>Admiral
Doflamingo himself said he'd rather face the admirals then a Yonko.
Kuzan>Old Garp.
Logic. There's no way around it.
You've yet to counter any of my arguments. So why would i even admit defeat?
All in all. Garp is my favourite marine but i know when bullshit is bullshit.
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Well another person agrees with me that you seem to know nothing =DYet i've read every chapter and watched every episode.
I actually pay attention to the details. Like the fact that Marco didn't see Garp in the manga or that he doesn't have CoO at all.
Now where was it stated that Marco has CoO? When has he even used it? He hasn't. From what we've seen Marco doesn't have CoO. In the manga Marco never even saw Garp. So how can he predict his movements when
- He didn't see him
- He doesn't have CoO
He was caught off guard.
What does that say?
It's funny. Both of you agreed that i know nothing yet you've both been unable to counter any of my arguments whereas i've made you two look like idiots and i've been getting all this + rep while doing it. Now what does that say?