[Discussion] Garp vs Kuzan

[Olorin]

the thing is, I haven't SEEN Garp do anything super awesome. .

we never saw the SO6P fight ... he must not be able to defeat Ten Ten

thats a stupid argument, we saw almost NONE of the supposed strongest characters in OP fight: Shanks, Garp, Kaido, Big Mam, Sengoku, Roger, Dragon, Mihawk, Dofy, BB, Rayleigh ... we barely ever even saw the admirals, after seeing Fujitora I'll bet my ass that Aokiji, Akainu and Kizaru are far more powerful than they were shown in MF because they only showed as much power as they needed, except Akainu, but he was up against WB so he never got a chance to fight all out like he did in the 10 day fight with Aokiji (but we never saw that)

Garp was near if not on Roger level and that means hes WB level more or less, except while WB was sick and stabbed, Garp seems completely fit

Garp imo could have killed Akainu at MF, and imo still can but at the EOS Akainu is def gonna be stronger than Garp, maybe not Garp in his prime, but that one really depends on how big of a role Akainu is gonna have in the final war

atm in the manga the thing I want to see the most is actually not Laws fight but maybe a Chinjao Garp flashback (if we're lucky)

 

[Fireplay]

we never saw the SO6P fight ... he must not be able to defeat Ten Ten

thats a stupid argument, we saw almost NONE of the supposed strongest characters in OP fight: Shanks, Garp, Kaido, Big Mam, Sengoku, Roger, Dragon, Mihawk, Dofy, BB, Rayleigh ... we barely ever even saw the admirals, after seeing Fujitora I'll bet my ass that Aokiji, Akainu and Kizaru are far more powerful than they were shown in MF because they only showed as much power as they needed, except Akainu, but he was up against WB so he never got a chance to fight all out like he did in the 10 day fight with Aokiji (but we never saw that)

Garp was near if not on Roger level and that means hes WB level more or less, except while WB was sick and stabbed, Garp seems completely fit

Garp imo could have killed Akainu at MF, and imo still can but at the EOS Akainu is def gonna be stronger than Garp, maybe not Garp in his prime, but that one really depends on how big of a role Akainu is gonna have in the final war

atm in the manga the thing I want to see the most is actually not Laws fight but maybe a Chinjao Garp flashback (if we're lucky)

Comparing SO6P with Tenten and Garp with Kuzan is a whole different thing. I agree that prime Garp could handle Kuzan but current Garp is a different story.

He has no feats that put him above any of the admirals. Not to mention Haki doesn't mean that you win instantly.

Where are people even getting that Garp is a haki beast? From what we've seen Luffy's Haki>Garp's.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Are you guys serious? Current (old ass) Garp vs Kuzan? Kuzan f*cks him up.

Iv seen your posts on numerous threads on OP
Iv come to the conclusion you know nothing about it :|

 

[Reaper]

Did you guys ever consider that Sengoku stoped Garp from attacking Akainu cause he didnt want such powerfull marines fight each other and basicly leave a complete opening for the other guys to kill them and take control of the war

I mean think about it,the fight would certanly to go garps favor with how beat up Akainu was but they would still wreck evreything and it would be the navy's downfall in the war

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Iv seen your posts on numerous threads on OP
Iv come to the conclusion you know nothing about it :|

I second this! all I'm going to say is Garp one shotted Marco with ease.

DO NOT SAY he was caught off guard ; Marco can use haki to PREDICT Garps attack! Catching someone off guard is impossible when someone can use Kenbonshoku haki.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

I second this! all I'm going to say is Garp one shotted Marco with ease.

DO NOT SAY he was caught off guard ; Marco can use haki to PREDICT Garps attack! Catching someone off guard is impossible when someone can use Kenbonshoku haki.

Plus in the anime (don't know whether or not this happened in the manga) Marco actually saw Garp coming at him.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Plus in the anime (don't know whether or not this happened in the manga) Marco actually saw Garp coming at him.

He did see Garp. Garp was too fast for Marco whom could fight with Kizaru : supposedly the fastest character. I think Rayleigh, Garp and some of the Yonkou are faster than him. Garp doesn't have just brute force. He is basically superman incapable of flying.

 

[naruttebayo]

garp wins imo

 

[Olorin]

He did see Garp. Garp was too fast for Marco whom could fight with Kizaru : supposedly the fastest character. I think Rayleigh, Garp and some of the Yonkou are faster than him. Garp doesn't have just brute force. He is basically superman incapable of flying.

Yea but Kizaru cant ise his speed normally otherwise he could just move behind rayleigh and kill him with his sword

I think he needs to turn into light before he goes at his light speed which takes quite some time otherwise he wouldn't lift his hands when Ben Backman pointed a gun at him (he wasnt scared but had a reaction to it non the less). Also I think he needs to predetermine a route to travel at that speed because once you go that fast there is no way in hell a humans mind can comprehend where one is going (humans simply cant think that fast, also Kizaru looks kind of slow to boot) so one would just bump into everything, and predetermining that route takes time too and you camt do it instantly

 

[Fireplay]

Iv seen your posts on numerous threads on OP
Iv come to the conclusion you know nothing about it :|

Yet i've read every chapter and watched every episode.
I actually pay attention to the details. Like the fact that Marco didn't see Garp in the manga or that he doesn't have CoO at all.

Plus in the anime (don't know whether or not this happened in the manga) Marco actually saw Garp coming at him.

He did see Garp. Garp was too fast for Marco whom could fight with Kizaru : supposedly the fastest character. I think Rayleigh, Garp and some of the Yonkou are faster than him. Garp doesn't have just brute force. He is basically superman incapable of flying.

Now where was it stated that Marco has CoO? When has he even used it? He hasn't. From what we've seen Marco doesn't have CoO. In the manga Marco never even saw Garp. So how can he predict his movements when

- He didn't see him
- He doesn't have CoO

He was caught off guard.

 

[Olorin]

Yet i've read every chapter and watched every episode.
I actually pay attention to the details. Like the fact that Marco didn't see Garp in the manga or that he doesn't have CoO at all.




Now where was it stated that Marco has CoO? When has he even used it? He hasn't. From what we've seen Marco doesn't have CoO. In the manga Marco never even saw Garp. So how can he predict his movements when

- He didn't see him
- He doesn't have CoO

He was caught off guard.

Omg how the f?ck do ppl think that yhe right hand man of a fa.cking YONKO who is WB to boot DOES NOT HAVE THE OTHER 2 types of Haki, that would f?cking make no sense seeing how the VAs have it, seeing how Tashigi has it, the yonko are among the great powers of the world so their 2nd and 3rd in command should to an extent match against admirals and be at least able to give them a proper fight ... If you use a bit of logic you should figure out that all the big names have Haki if all the VAs have it, its f?cking common sense! If its f?cking trainable why the hell wouldnt the right hand pf WB have it? Or ace or ben backman, or why wouldnt shanks and wb have the other 2 types of haki?

This isnt specifically directed at you but all those posts who say the biggest names in OP must not have this haki or that haki if it was never specifically thrown at them in the manga, even conq haki is becoming a bit more common in the NW, what makes you think that the big names of the NW dont have at least obser and armament haki

 

[Fujitora]

I think Garp would win, high/extreme difficulty

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Yet i've read every chapter and watched every episode.
I actually pay attention to the details. Like the fact that Marco didn't see Garp in the manga or that he doesn't have CoO at all.




Now where was it stated that Marco has CoO? When has he even used it? He hasn't. From what we've seen Marco doesn't have CoO. In the manga Marco never even saw Garp. So how can he predict his movements when

- He didn't see him
- He doesn't have CoO

He was caught off guard.

HAHAHAHA!!!!
You can't see Kenbonshoku haki!
You think an admiral tier fighter ; a Yonkos first mate : is only capable of using one type of Haki? You really underestimate him! I bet you think Ace is stronger than Marco or someone similar in strength e.g Doflamingo or Kizaru!!

It's laughable how you expect and assume someone as Strong as Marco can't use Haki.

Marco saw Garp. On top of the platform upon arrival. When he was flying his facial expression changed and then BAM! Garp the fist just fisted his face.

 

[Vincent Pryce]

NB has probably the most retarded OP fanbase on all of the internet. One day it's Enel defeating Yonkou Blackbard, and now Old Garp stomps Kuzan. Lmao..

I second this! all I'm going to say is Garp one shotted Marco with ease.

DO NOT SAY he was caught off guard ; Marco can use haki to PREDICT Garps attack! Catching someone off guard is impossible when someone can use Kenbonshoku haki.

I agree that Marco has CoO, but look at it this way:
Aokiji was caught off guard by Marco (remember when Marco kicked Aokiji when he wanted to kill Luffy? Aokiji did see Marco coming at the last moment, just like how Marco saw Garp coming the last moment, but he was too late to react. Or you think Marco > Aokiji?
Marco and Jozu were caught off guard by Kizaru and Aokiji when WB fell on one knee, while before they got defeated, Marco was fighting on equal ground with Kizaru and Jozu fought on equal ground with Aokiji. CoO isn't always activated. That was never stated. You can assume that just like CoA you have to ''activate'' it. Marco was focused on saving Ace, flying full speed towards Ace, and eventually noticed Garp, but was too late to react. And son, you really need to learn what one-shotting means. He literally stood up a second or two after the punch without ANY injuries. How the F*CK is that one shotting?

Also, you didn't reply to my first post.

 

[Fujitora]

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Marco was caught off guard when Garp punched him and he does have CoO.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

I agree that Marco has CoO, but look at it this way:
Aokiji was caught off guard by Marco (remember when Marco kicked Aokiji when he wanted to kill Luffy? Aokiji did see Marco coming at the last moment, just like how Marco saw Garp coming the last moment, but he was too late to react. Or you think Marco > Aokiji?
Marco and Jozu were caught off guard by Kizaru and Aokiji when WB fell on one knee, while before they got defeated, Marco was fighting on equal ground with Kizaru and Jozu fought on equal ground with Aokiji. CoO isn't always activated. That was never stated. You can assume that just like CoA you have to ''activate'' it. Marco was focused on saving Ace, flying full speed towards Ace, and eventually noticed Garp, but was too late to react. And son, you really need to learn what one-shotting means. He literally stood up a second or two after the punch without ANY injuries. How the F*CK is that one shotting?

Also, you didn't reply to my first post.

Fair point. But no I don't think Marco > Aokiji.

Garp>Sengoku>Akainu>Fujitora>Aokiji>Kizaru=Marco

The fact still remains that someone as fast as Marco ( faster than Aokiji ) couldn't react in time.
One shotting means victory via one attack. And Garp did just that; because Marco regenerates does not mean he was unaffected.

 

[the nine tails]

Comparing SO6P with Tenten and Garp with Kuzan is a whole different thing. I agree that prime Garp could handle Kuzan but current Garp is a different story.

He has no feats that put him above any of the admirals. Not to mention Haki doesn't mean that you win instantly.

Where are people even getting that Garp is a haki beast? From what we've seen Luffy's Haki>Garp's.

well ...he used haki since luffy was a kid and they won't ask you to be admiral unless you have ridiculous power .. and grap doesn't have a DF so he must have had a srong haki ... and from where you get that luffy's haki> garps ? ... luffy him self said his haki is weak and not to mention vergo was a haki beast and he's a vice admiral ..

 

[Fujitora]

It's not likely that Fujitora is stronger than any of the 3 admirals.

 

[Olorin]

NB has probably the most retarded OP fanbase on all of the internet. One day it's Enel defeating Yonkou Blackbard, and now Old Garp stomps Kuzan. Lmao...

we on the other side could say the same thing about you

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

It's not likely that Fujitora is stronger than any of the 3 admirals.

It depends on the strength of his haki. His fruit is certainly up there ; his Kenbonshoku haki is master class. How else can he fight? I think Akainu has the edge on him.

we on the other side could say the same thing about you

This is also very true. Vincent ; you're full of yourself and you criticise people that disagree with you for the only reason is of course: disagreement.

To be honest it takes time to grasp the power scale and how strong some people in One Piece are. For example: when Eneru was first shown nobody thought he was beatable. But now he's not even a top 20 character. Some people may make stupid threads like the Enel vs Blackbeard thread BECAUSE they have not caught up yet.

Be considerate to the possibility that someone hasn't quite caught up to one piece.