[Discussion] Garp vs Kuzan

[Souji]

Dude even the wiki states that Marco doesn't have CoO. He hasn't shown it therefore he doesn't have it. Ace was WB's 2nd division commander and he didn't even have CoA.



Show me feats. Ace was strong and he didn't even have Haki (only CoC). Even if Marco had CoO he can't predict someone who's not in his sight. He didn't even see Garp coming.


Now your just straight up lying.

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Here you can clearly see that he didn't see Garp and his expression didn't change at all. That was a filler in the anime. Then you can clearly see that Garp wasn't even able to oneshot him. He goes for a sucker punch and isn't even able to keep Marco down. Marco stood back up right after getting sucker punched. Barely got any bruises. The way people are overrating old Garp, Marco should've lost an eye.

Sorry if i sound like a d!ck. Not doing it intetionally.

When did Luffy say his haki was weak? He was able to coat his G3 arm with Haki while underwater. Garp has shown no such feats. From what we've seen Luffy's Haki is>Garp's. You can't claim Haki beastness unless you show Haki beastness. Btw. I already know he has Haki. But people here are overrating old Garp. He's not on Roger's level anymore.

Re read the first manga scan you provided. Notice The little star expression beside Marco, in the bottom left panel.

In most manga and anime, that usually indicates a character sensing something.

So to truly clarify, Marco does have CoO. He knew there was a threat coming, but he most likely didn't expect it to be Garp.

Hope that clears things up

 

[Fireplay]

Re read the first manga scan you provided. Notice The little star expression beside Marco, in the bottom left panel.

In most manga and anime, that usually indicates a character sensing something.

So to truly clarify, Marco does have CoO. He knew there was a threat coming, but he most likely didn't expect it to be Garp.

Hope that clears things up

Your wrong. Look at Marco while flying as a phoenix (middle lowest panel). You can clearly see that Marco is sparkling. When in his phoenix form he sparkles. That star thing was just the sparkling. Marco didn't even change his expression. Even the databook/Wiki denies the fact that he has CoO.

Even if he had noticed Garp it would be hard to dodge a sucker punch since he's moving straight forward at max speed.

You can't predict someones movement with CoO unless your actually seeing them.

Btw in most cases that doesn't indicate CoO. When Luffy fought Lucci (whenever he has a bad feeling about something) he gets similar stars yet he didn't even know of CoO back then. That just means they have a bad feeling. Marco having CoO hasn't been confirmed and there's nothing to support it.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

It's funny. Both of you agreed that i know nothing yet you've both been unable to counter any of my arguments whereas i've made you two look like idiots and i've been getting all this + rep while doing it. Now what does that say?

Yes. Iv been one of the people repping you? :eww: Not on this thread I don't think but on other ones.
And we haven't because there is nothing else to say? We cant explain anymore than we already have done?

 

[Fireplay]

Yes. Iv been one of the people repping you? :eww: Not on this thread I don't think but on other ones.
And we haven't because there is nothing else to say? We cant explain anymore than we already have done?

No lol. Not you. I'm talking about getting reps in this thread by people that are viewing it. You've both failed to prove me wrong. It shouldn't be too hard since i barely know anything about One piece and only read the first 3 chapters

 

[Souji]

Your wrong. Look at Marco while flying as a phoenix (middle lowest panel). You can clearly see that Marco is sparkling. When in his phoenix form he sparkles. That star thing was just the sparkling. Marco didn't even change his expression. Even the databook/Wiki denies the fact that he has CoO.

Even if he had noticed Garp it would be hard to dodge a sucker punch since he's moving straight forward at max speed.

You can't predict someones movement with CoO unless your actually seeing them.

Btw in most cases that doesn't indicate CoO. When Luffy fought Lucci (whenever he has a bad feeling about something) he gets similar starts yet he didn't even know of CoO back then. That just means they have a bad feeling. Marco having CoO hasn't been confirmed and there's nothing to support it.

Then why does it look different from the sparkling of his Phoenix form? Why did Oda want to draw a single star like that, rather than multiple sparkles?

It was clear, via context clues, that Marco does indeed have CoO. Oda gave a subtle hint with that panel.

The wiki does not indicate whether Marco has CoO, nor does it give evidence to the contrary. Like others have said, I'd be genuinely surprised if the First Mate of the WB pirates didn't have CoO.

Marco knew there was a threat, but knowing his character, he probably shrugged it off, because he was going at high speeds and was singularly focused on Ace. I'm sure he didn't expect it to be Garp, though.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

No lol. Not you. I'm talking about getting reps in this thread by people that are viewing it. You've both failed to prove me wrong. It shouldn't be too hard since i barely know anything about One piece and only read the first 3 chapters

Wev failed? Iv ran out of arguments because there is no more. Iv reached the end. And im not going to devote my whole time to this thread trying to prove you wrong? Iv got other stuff to do? Anyway this is completely off topic now. If you want to argue further you can VM me or summit.

 

[Fireplay]

Then why does it look different from the sparkling of his Phoenix form? Why did Oda want to draw a single star like that, rather than multiple sparkles?

It was clear, via context clues, that Marco does indeed have CoO. Oda gave a subtle hint with that panel.

The wiki does not indicate whether Marco has CoO, nor does it give evidence to the contrary. Like others have said, I'd be genuinely surprised if the First Mate of the WB pirates didn't have CoO.

Marco knew there was a threat, but knowing his character, he probably shrugged it off, because he was going at high speeds and was singularly focused on Ace. I'm sure he didn't expect it to be Garp, though.

I just checked it out and starts like that mean that the character is having a bad feeling about something/they know somethings wrong. If Marco truly had CoO that wouldn't of even happened. I guess most of the people here don't know how CoO works.

For instance. By your logic, she has Haki. Pre-skip.

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There's more evidence supporting Marco not having CoO then him having it. For instance. Him having it is only a speculation. Ace was WB's 2nd division commander. Yet, he showed no signs of CoO or CoA.

If necessary, i'll show you a list of all the characters Oda himself confirmed has CoO

Wev failed? Iv ran out of arguments because there is no more. Iv reached the end. And im not going to devote my whole time to this thread trying to prove you wrong? Iv got other stuff to do? Anyway this is completely off topic now. If you want to argue further you can VM me or summit.

Running out of arguments is pretty much the same as failing at proving me wrong. But call it what you want. But i don't really care.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

I just checked it out and starts like that mean that the character is having a bad feeling about something/they know somethings wrong. If Marco truly had CoO that wouldn't of even happened. I guess most of the people here don't know how CoO works.

For instance. By your logic, she has Haki. Pre-skip.

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There's more evidence supporting Marco not having CoO then him having it. For instance. Him having it is only a speculation. Ace was WB's 2nd division commander. Yet, he showed no signs of CoO or CoA.

If necessary, i'll show you a list of all the characters Oda himself confirmed has CoO



Running out of arguments is pretty much the same as failing at proving me wrong. But call it what you want. But i don't really care.

Erm you do seem to care? Winning this argument seems to be the most important thing to you right now?

 

[Fireplay]

Erm you do seem to care? Winning this argument seems to be the most important thing to you right now?

I just dropped it.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

@ Fireplay
Sorry for my absence

The fact still remains that Sengoku had to restrain Garp so he wouldn't kill Akainu.
Garp>Akainu>Aokiji

 

[Fireplay]

@ Fireplay
Sorry for my absence

The fact still remains that Sengoku had to restrain Garp so he wouldn't kill Akainu.
Garp>Akainu>Aokiji

Or so that he wouldn't end up like Ace and Whitebeard . Triple murder in one night is too much for the marines. The only chance Garp had was that Akainu was already wounded. Akainu would've murdered him.

Akainu>Aokiji>Garp

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Or so that he wouldn't end up like Ace and Whitebeard . Triple murder in one night is too much for the marines. The only chance Garp had was that Akainu was already wounded. Akainu would've murdered him.

Akainu>Aokiji>Garp

Sengoku said they both knew he could kill Akainu. And therefore Garp also commented that for Akainus safety : Garp must be restrained.

 

[Mephew D Kensei]

Fact is Oda painted it Garp>Akainu>Aokiji with what didn't happen(Garp vs Akainu) coz of the reason it didn't(sengoku who knows both, keeping Garp away) and what later happened( Akainu defeating Aokiji) he also painted it that Garp at one point was almost equal to Roger who was equal to prime Shirohige, then he went on to paint it that older&sick Shirohige >//= Akainu. now Garp maybe old but unlike Shirohige he isn't sick so even if his prime was slightly weaker than Shirohige's his variation in power won't b like WB's old plus sick compared to prime, so since what Oda says is what matters Garp>Aokiji or maybe it was so at Marineford.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Fact is Oda painted it Garp>Akainu>Aokiji with what didn't happen(Garp vs Akainu) coz of the reason it didn't(sengoku who knows both, keeping Garp away) and what later happened( Akainu defeating Aokiji) he also painted it that Garp at one point was almost equal to Roger who was equal to prime Shirohige, then he went on to paint it that older&sick Shirohige >//= Akainu. now Garp maybe old but unlike Shirohige he isn't sick so even if his prime was slightly weaker than Shirohige's his variation in power won't b like WB's old plus sick compared to prime, so since what Oda says is what matters Garp>Aokiji or maybe it was so at Marineford.

Don't bother... We've proven Fireplay wrong on many occasions but he continues to try and debunk manga fact.

 

[Vincent Pryce]

I still want someone to answer my question.

The three admirals (pre-time skip), stated by Oda, were the three strongest fighting forces within the marine. OPwiki: ''The admirals are crowned the World Government's "Greatest Military Powers" (最高戦力 Saikō Senryoku?), and are the strongest individual fighters within the World Government and the Marines. These three admirals are respected and feared amongst the entire world.''

This was stated in the manga. So Aokiji, Kizaru and Kuzan > Old Sengoku and Garp. Manga fact, brah

we on the other side could say the same thing about you

But you're wrong.

To be honest it takes time to grasp the power scale and how strong some people in One Piece are. For example: when Eneru was first shown nobody thought he was beatable. But now he's not even a top 20 character. Some people may make stupid threads like the Enel vs Blackbeard thread BECAUSE they have not caught up yet.

Be considerate to the possibility that someone hasn't quite caught up to one piece.

It was about Yonkou Blackbeard. People who I know are caught up with the manga actually agreed that Enel would defeat Blackbeard.

Fact is Oda painted it Garp>Akainu>Aokiji with what didn't happen(Garp vs Akainu) coz of the reason it didn't(sengoku who knows both, keeping Garp away) and what later happened( Akainu defeating Aokiji)

That isn't a fact. Why? It was never made obvious nor stated in the manga. You can also look at it this way: Sengoku was afraid of Garp dying against Akainu.

he also painted it that Garp at one point was almost equal to Roger who was equal to prime Shirohige, then he went on to paint it that older&sick Shirohige >//= Akainu. now Garp maybe old but unlike Shirohige he isn't sick so even if his prime was slightly weaker than Shirohige's his variation in power won't b like WB's old plus sick compared to prime, so since what Oda says is what matters Garp>Aokiji or maybe it was so at Marineford.

It was never stated that prime Garp= prime Roger's level or was even around that. Crocodile nearly killed Luffy three times, but prime Luffy>>>>> Crocodile. Get what I'm saying? I'm not saying that Prime Garp is much weaker than Prime Roger. But the only who was at Prime Roger's level is Prime WB. Manga fact.


Anyway, I still want an answer to my first question

 

[Dr Strangelove]

This was stated in the manga. So Aokiji, Kizaru and Kuzan > Old Sengoku and Garp. Manga fact, brah

Kuzan and Aokiji are the same person :|

 

[Olorin]

But you're wrong.

So you're allowed to call us retarded but if we say it its wrong ... haha thats some big ass ego you have there, you must be one of those ppl who think are always right and bash other ppl but because you think youre special (with your arrogance) noone is allowed to say anything to you

The three admirals (pre-time skip), stated by Oda, were the three strongest fighting forces within the marine. OPwiki: ''The admirals are crowned the World Government's "Greatest Military Powers" (最高戦力 Saikō Senryoku?), and are the strongest individual fighters within the World Government and the Marines. These three admirals are respected and feared amongst the entire world.''

This was stated in the manga. So Aokiji, Kizaru and Kuzan > Old Sengoku and Garp. Manga fact, brah

ok first of all kuzan = aokiji ... Soooo big fail right there

Second of all Sengoku was the FLEET ADMIRAL (position above admirals and still technically an admiral) and if Garp actually wanted to be an admiral than one of the 3 wouldnt be because Garp would hold the spot ... as STATED BY THE MANGA

also the last line of defense werent the Admirals it was Garp and Sengoku ... Manga fact

please note that after my last post I didnt read anything except your response to the retard stuff and I happened to read that

 

[Vincent Pryce]

ok first of all kuzan = aokiji ... Soooo big fail right there

Second of all Sengoku was the FLEET ADMIRAL (position above admirals and still technically an admiral) and if Garp actually wanted to be an admiral than one of the 3 wouldnt be because Garp would hold the spot ... as STATED BY THE MANGA

No? Fleet Admiral is Fleet Admiral. Not technically an admiral. Where was this stated?
Fleet Admiral is a diffetent rank than Admiral. It's true that Garp refused to get a an admiral rank, but that was waay back. We don't know if old Garp was asked to become FA/admiral. Anyway, all this doesn't even matter. It was said, pre-time skip, that the THREE admirals were the strongest fighting force within the Marine & WG.

also the last line of defense werent the Admirals it was Garp and Sengoku ... Manga fact

Okay... still doesn't mean they were the strongest.

 

[Fireplay]

Sengoku said they both knew he could kill Akainu. And therefore Garp also commented that for Akainus safety : Garp must be restrained.

When did Sengoku say this? The only thing Sengoku said was "You fool" indicating that he knows what will happen to Garp if he steps against Akainu.

 

[the nine tails]

Dude even the wiki states that Marco doesn't have CoO. He hasn't shown it therefore he doesn't have it. Ace was WB's 2nd division commander and he didn't even have CoA.



Show me feats. Ace was strong and he didn't even have Haki (only CoC). Even if Marco had CoO he can't predict someone who's not in his sight. He didn't even see Garp coming.


Now your just straight up lying.

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Here you can clearly see that he didn't see Garp and his expression didn't change at all. That was a filler in the anime. Then you can clearly see that Garp wasn't even able to oneshot him. He goes for a sucker punch and isn't even able to keep Marco down. Marco stood back up right after getting sucker punched. Barely got any bruises. The way people are overrating old Garp, Marco should've lost an eye.

Sorry if i sound like a d!ck. Not doing it intetionally.

When did Luffy say his haki was weak? He was able to coat his G3 arm with Haki while underwater. Garp has shown no such feats. From what we've seen Luffy's Haki is>Garp's. You can't claim Haki beastness unless you show Haki beastness. Btw. I already know he has Haki. But people here are overrating old Garp. He's not on Roger's level anymore.

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