[Discussion] zoro is overhyped.

[-Akuma-]

Not gonna like, Roronoa was the reason I got hooked on OP back in the day, but nowadays he's just not that interesting, I guess. I feel like Oda lost interest in developing Roro at this point and doesn't know what to do with him. Still he's a pretty fun character to follow and see develop into something new every other Arc. Also, I think he would give Akainu a very high Diff fight if they were to fight. Don't Sleep on Roronoa; he's where Katakuri's at right now, very high tier monster. If I were to compare these two, I'd say Kata is Shanks and Roro is Mihawk at Marineford: they're very stronk.

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[LBeezy]

After watching JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, specifically part 3/Stardust Crusaders, the reason Zoro is so boring became even more clear. He's the stoic badass, but with little to no traits post-skip to actually supplement this to make him stand out from any other stoic badasses. Characters who have the stoic badass characterization work best either when they're an obstacle to the main characters, or have underlying traits to redeem this characterization. Zoro was never the former, and he's stopped being the latter.

In the case of the latter, Zoro used to have an aura of leadership that was only really exceeded by Nami aboard the ship. And I don't mean that first mate bullshit that fans have deluded themselves into thinking, I mean he was clear-headed and had a clear sense of goal. He wasn't like Usopp or Brook who'd comedically do something that would break himself away from the task at hand. Post-skip, that's changed completely. In Dressrosa, when his sword is taken, he puts their covert mission at risk to chase after it and make a scene. And it's not that chasing after his sword was in of itself wrong, it's just that Oda wrote it in a really weird way since it's out of character for Zoro to create and be in a situation that puts the mission in jeopardy like that.

There's also the case in Zou where Zoro said "**** Sanji," and actually expected the crew to abandon Sanji. His speech in Water 7 with Usopp is such a contrast to his speech on Zou where it was fueled by his petty disdain for Sanji than actually logically assessing the situation. Key point, he says they can't go after Sanji because they'd piss of two Emperors if they do. Except Luffy already pissed Big Mom and Kaido off. And he had no problem with Luffy pissing of an entity that's worse than two Emperors, the World Government, to take back a crewmate who was forced to go with them.

Another thing that made Zoro compelling in spite of just being another stoic badass is that his confidence felt earned and deserved. We saw him train and struggle in his fights, so when he was victorious and his strength was displayed, it was downright human. Now, it's just another stoic badass being arrogant. There's nothing special about it, and this only works for end of series type obstacles or antagonists who are on-off. This makes it harder to be actually invested in Zoro because he's just an end of series characterization we're supposed to be following.

I brought up JoJo because Jotaro, another stoic badass, is an example of what Zoro should be. We don't see him training, and he gets stronger out of nowhere whenever he needs to beat someone, but he's still a vastly entertaining character for pretty much the opposite reasons Zoro isn't. His stoicism is often played for laughs to the point that he's almost a parody of such characters. Even though he's ridiculously strong, he doesn't just go into every fight with "I'm gonna pound you easily." A lot of Jotaro's enemies are shown to be weaker than him in a straight fight, but pose a challenge by having tricky abilities that Jotaro has to get around by being extremely clever and smart before he gets to the stomping part. Zoro just skips straight to the stomping, the closest he's come otherwise is Pica. Jotaro has that underlying, supplementary characterization to support his stoicism, Zoro just has stoicism, and that gets lame as hell quick.

Dude, don't tell me you're the type of person that doesn't care at all about anything that's happened (all the things you mentioned from Zoro's past within the story).. pls.. you can't just act like it's all gone.. it's not forgotten by others who like Zoro..

Spoiler

those moments haven't disappeared homie.

It's cool that you like a character when they're working hard for their goals and dreams, I give you that.. but when you talk down on them as soon as they start to become somewhat successful and start to climb higher up towards what they want, you just sound bitter and hateful breh..

Let me guess, you liked __________ when they were an underground rapper but now that they're famous and have more fans they're trash now and you hate them.. smh.. it's not my place to tell you who to like or respect or care about, but it just feels like you once enjoyed Zoro as a character for some great reasons.. and I would hate for you to bash that character now, when those reasons you liked them for haven't gone away or disappeared.. nor did they do something irredeemable or unforgivable either. They're simply becoming stronger and better at what they do..

 

[Uverdore9]

Zoro is not overhyped. He can parry with Luffy in his second strongest form.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

Who left the crew on their own will and returned?

Nami
Usopp
Sanji
Robin

Still loyal:
Chopper
Franky
Brook

Nominated to Leave:
Zoro (probably without return)

Replacement: Jinbe

 

[Big Mom]

Yall say he's boring, I say the luffy + zoro combo is the funniest combo in the whole series. Without zoro luffy wouldn't be as funny. "Sorry zoro"

 

[chopstickchakra]

Yall say he's boring, I say the luffy + zoro combo is the funniest combo in the whole series. Without zoro luffy wouldn't be as funny. "Sorry zoro"

Every boke needs his tsukkomi.

Zoro isn't overhyped character wise, but definitely power wise. Many people put his base form on the same level as G4 and yonko commanders on assumption alone. Many also think that Base Zoro med diffs G2/3 Luffy hence, being on par with G4 or YCs....

I'm not arguing people over place Zoro's strength but there's nothing really other than base Zoro(not counting Asura since it's only happened once). Yeah he has haki but it's not really an additional form or anything. Most characters in OP are base besides Luffy really, aren't they?

 

[Big Mom]

Every boke needs his tsukkomi.



I'm not arguing people over place Zoro's strength but there's nothing really other than base Zoro(not counting Asura since it's only happened once). Yeah he has haki but it's not really an additional form or anything. Most characters in OP are base besides Luffy really, aren't they?

Asura is just a slash, there is no such thing as base zoro

If asura made him not base. Mihawks strongest slash makes him not base

 

[chopstickchakra]

Dude, don't tell me you're the type of person that doesn't care at all about anything that's happened (all the things you mentioned from Zoro's past within the story).. pls.. you can't just act like it's all gone.. it's not forgotten by others who like Zoro..

Spoiler

those moments haven't disappeared homie.

It's cool that you like a character when they're working hard for their goals and dreams, I give you that.. but when you talk down on them as soon as they start to become somewhat successful and start to climb higher up towards what they want, you just sound bitter and hateful breh..

Let me guess, you liked __________ when they were an underground rapper but now that they're famous and have more fans they're trash now and you hate them.. smh.. it's not my place to tell you who to like or respect or care about, but it just feels like you once enjoyed Zoro as a character for some great reasons.. and I would hate for you to bash that character now, when those reasons you liked them for haven't gone away or disappeared.. nor did they do something irredeemable or unforgivable either. They're simply becoming stronger and better at what they do..

Yo someone's trying to jack your clout lol

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Asura is just a slash, there is no such thing as base zoro

If asura made him not base. Mihawks strongest slash makes him not base

That's what I said, but there's nothing really other than base Zoro

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Really don't get why zoro is so popular he is a boring character overall and his move set isn't cool at all..

but that's my opinion......but why does zoro have so many fans?

is it because he's a samurai? and people think that's cool or

because he is the silent type?


Wano will be better than world cake but it's definitely not going to be because of zoro.

Ummm I disagree entirely lol... I know usually I may seem like a zoro hater (because some Zoro fans need help lol) however, I cannot wait to see what Oda is going to show us involving zoro. Zoro's char pre timeskip in terms of development is one of my absolute favorites only second to Robin.

I know post timeskip zoro has been lame with his one shotting of weak enemies and annoying one liners but its because oda is saving him for something bigger. Similar to Sanji how he did not get a proper fight in the entire whole cake island arc (tech since fishman island because with vergo his body was damaged due to nami. and doffy straight up merked him...). If you do not think that zoro's moment is not at wano (especially after moria's arc when he got his hands on the curse sword) then Idk what to tell you everything about zoro has been leading up to this arc

from his unfinished backhistory with his best friend
to his current outfit of choice post time skip

literally everything about zoro screams WANO!!!!! and I am so here for it

 

[Easyfathom]

Every boke needs his tsukkomi.



I'm not arguing people over place Zoro's strength but there's nothing really other than base Zoro(not counting Asura since it's only happened once). Yeah he has haki but it's not really an additional form or anything. Most characters in OP are base besides Luffy really, aren't they?

THANK YOU... I've seen too many people throwing around the word "base" either unnecessarily or incorrectly. As for the last part, Luffy has a base form, as does every character. But there are a load of character that have forms other than Luffy, Zoan's for example

 

[LBeezy]

Yo someone's trying to jack your clout lol

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Lmaooooo oh shit.. that's funny xd

Good lookin out bro!

 

[chopstickchakra]

THANK YOU... I've seen too many people throwing around the word "base" either unnecessarily or incorrectly. As for the last part, Luffy has a base form, as does every character. But there are a load of character that have forms other than Luffy, Zoan's for example

That's true I wasn't thinking of Zoan but you can't have a base though without alternate forms i.e Garp there is no "ultra Garp" Garp is just Garp his base is his all, unless we count using haki as another form nut since it's a part of the users spirit I would argue it's not.

 

[Easyfathom]

That's true I wasn't thinking of Zoan but you can't have a base though without alternate forms i.e Garp there is no "ultra Garp" Garp is just Garp his base is his all, unless we count using haki as another form nut since it's a part of the users spirit I would argue it's not.

No I wouldn't either.... But then there is only one arguable occasion where I might have included using haki as not a base form and that's a situation like Full body haki Vergo. But that's just what popped to mind when reading your comment... I'm still fully on the side that using haki isn't another type of form that shouldn't not be considered as part of someones base form.

But it's not just Zoans though.. You've got Pica as he can assimilate shit, Franky, with his Iron General form, Wadatsumi can grow huge (almost uselessly it would seem xD)... I mean, just look at the most recent, Big Mom! She's changed almost as much as Luffy has this arc aha

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

That can't be the case. We often see characters against others out of their own league for the crew's sake. That time Sanji engaged Doffy, Chopper and Brook warded off BM, Nami attacking BM, p-much everything Ussopp, etc. It reasons to say that the reason Oda avoided Zoro and Doffy encountering each other is because Zoro will show feats that place him well above Doflamingo in Wano.

now wait a second I believe zoro is strong however hes not stronger then doffy... not even close

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

now wait a second I believe zoro is strong however hes not stronger then doffy... not even close

Come Wano, he'll prove his worth puts Doffy's to shame.

 

[Dibattista27]

I love the brotherly bond with sanji. He’s one of the stronger characters. And has some badass moments with mihawk and kuma. We yet to see him go all out yet post time skip. And because he wants to be the world best at something I think it makes his dream more interesting like luffys. I do get the boring part but

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Come Wano, he'll prove his worth puts Doffy's to shame.

Lol when zoro stops a character of (his own level), an admiral, the second in command of the revs and countless of other fighters (on top of that a whole country) from leaving and getting ripped to shreads in the process then we will talk...

zoro like everyone else was getting pushed back by bird cage they all needed each other to hault it while luffy finished the job.

Zoro will def become stronger then doffy eos
but to say hes stronger now (because there will be no difference in strength from dressrosa to wano) is insane.. Hell Law > Zoro in terms of overall combat ability (I know I am one of the few who believe this) and we seen what happened to him when fighting doffy alone.
Zoro does not have elasticity that gear 4th has to protect him from doffy's strings/attacks nor does he have anything that can protect him from his awakening (not going to bring up parasite or the clone etc)

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Lol when zoro stops a character of (his own level), an admiral, the second in command of the revs and countless of other fighters (on top of that a whole country) from leaving and getting ripped to shreads in the process then we will talk...

zoro like everyone else was getting pushed back by bird cage they all needed each other to hault it while luffy finished the job.

Zoro will def become stronger then doffy eos
but to say hes stronger now (because there will be no difference in strength from dressrosa to wano) is insane.. Hell Law > Zoro in terms of overall combat ability (I know I am one of the few who believe this) and we seen what happened to him when fighting doffy alone.
Zoro does not have elasticity that gear 4th has to protect him from doffy's strings/attacks nor does he have anything that can protect him from his awakening (not going to bring up parasite or the clone etc)

Only time will prove the truth of where Zoro is now. It's definitely common for the leader to be a cut above the rest, but Zoro is known for deviating from that during pre-timeskip until Luffy had gotten G2. I expect Zoro to show superiority to Doffy before he's backed into a corner even if it leaves a thin margin(controversial) between the two.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Dude, don't tell me you're the type of person that doesn't care at all about anything that's happened (all the things you mentioned from Zoro's past within the story).. pls.. you can't just act like it's all gone.. it's not forgotten by others who like Zoro..

Spoiler

those moments haven't disappeared homie.

And I can appreciate those moments for when they happened. Doesn't change that he's boring NOW.

It's cool that you like a character when they're working hard for their goals and dreams, I give you that.. but when you talk down on them as soon as they start to become somewhat successful

This is so stupid, tbvh. We're talking about a story with characters we're supposed to be following as they grow. That's how the investment in the Strawhat Pirates have been built: We're seeing them progress. Zoro's progression is halted because he's getting EOS portrayal for a character who's not meant for it. Zoro's portrayal doesn't fit his character role, because if Zoro is already at a point where he's stomping people, then there's nothing else worth being invested in.

Let me guess, you liked __________ when they were an underground rapper but now that they're famous and have more fans they're trash now and you hate them.. smh..

Another BS argument. If a rapper goes mainstream by sacrificing everything that makes them interesting to sound like every other bland rapper, you bet your ass I'm gonna stop enjoying them.

it's not my place to tell you who to like or respect or care about, but it just feels like you once enjoyed Zoro as a character for some great reasons.. and I would hate for you to bash that character now

Shame he isn't that character now.

 

[LordRaikage]

sanji>>>zoro