[Discussion] Why Mihawk is Yonko level

[HashiraMadara]

I don't think he is Yonko level....He himself said at the War of Marineford that "I want to see how much is the difference between me and the one they call the world's strongest." Fighting 1vs1 with Shanks is incredible but we don't even know what kind of fights were those or what was Shanks level at that time..Shanks lost his arm a few years back...if he was Yonko level back then I am surprised that he didn't use armament Haki to save his arm although it seems like he did use Conqueror's Haki to drive away the monster...Also his presence at the Marineford and the ease with which he stopped Akainu make sme think he is stronger than Mihawk....Mihawk's swordplay is the greatest and Shanks rivaled him in his forte...combine it with Conqueror's Haki to the extent that Whitebeard called it impressive is surely a big deal...

Well he's the same guy who enters Shanks' territory with no care in the world. He told the weakling to point where is shanks. He entered the cave with Shanks' top tier members like Benn Beckman , Yasop etc

 

[Love Cook]

"Every couple of months a thread like this pops up, but no one ever has any good arguments as to why Mihawk is NOT supposed to be on that level. "

Yes, except it doesn't work that way.

If you claim that there is a golden sheep in the world somewhere, you have to come up with the proof.

I'm not the one that haves to proof that golden sheep don't exist.

 

[HashiraMadara]

Yes, except it doesn't work that way.

If you claim that there is a golden sheep in the world somewhere, you have to come up with the proof.

I'm not the one that haves to proof that golden sheep don't exist.

In Science to prove a theory is not true make it contradict itself: prove it doesn't

 

[bajram]

Mihawk is in the same general level as the admirals and yonkos so he is in that level while I cant say for sure which individual is stronger than the other because it has never been stated clear cut in the manga but the point stand all these parties are in the same tier, so to answer ur question yes Mihawk is a top tier until proven otherwise.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Idiots yonko level is not only about you


Mihawk will never be yonko level because he doesn't have a crew to back him

To be yonko u have to be

One of strongest at sea (mihawk by hype is one of these)
Have shit ton of territory in new world (as far as we know he doesn't)
You and your crew has to have enough influence to hold said territories (he can't do if he's alone if he's defending point A and point J gets attacked he can't do shit about it because he cannot send anyone over there) so there for he lacks the complete power to defend and keep said territories ..


So yeah not yonko level


As for suchibanki luffy beat every one bar doffy by himself (he needed help with oars though )

But

He hasn't beaten Kuma who has beat him and his entire crew twice
And mihawk

I will also say I don't believe he beat boa either


He hasn't beat all of them

Only croc Moria doffy

He hasn't beaten wevile and didn't fight law when he was warlord
He has clashed with jinbe but hasn't beaten him (although believe he's stronger along with Hancock due to gear 4th)

Wtf? Yonko level is a measure of individual strength dude.

 

[HashiraMadara]

Wtf? Yonko level is a measure of individual strength dude.

He does have a point... Teach continued to build crews to make it to the top. It's impossible to have a 1 man Yonko, Even in Shichibukai it's unparalleled...

But there is a individual strength part about a yonko

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

He does have a point... Teach continued to build crews to make it to the top. It's impossible to have a 1 man Yonko, Even in Shichibukai it's unparalleled...

But there is a individual strength part about a yonko

Being Yonko level just means that you are strong enough to give a Yonko a very tough fight. For example, Mihawk is Yonko level since he can give Shanks a very tough 1v1 fight (and probably beat him). Are you guys also going to start complaining about certain people being called admiral level even though they cat become Marine admirals?

 

[HashiraMadara]

Being Yonko level just means that you are strong enough to give a Yonko a very tough fight. For example, Mihawk is Yonko level since he can give Shanks a very tough 1v1 fight (and probably beat him). Are you guys also going to start complaining about certain people being called admiral level even though they cat become Marine admirals?

Mihawk is Yonko level in strength yes...

Can he be a Yonko, Yes and No. Yes he can is he has a crew to gain territory in the new world and No he is alone and not interested in that

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Mihawk is Yonko level in strength yes...

Can he be a Yonko, Yes and No. Yes he can is he has a crew to gain territory in the new world and No he is alone and not interested in that

Yonko level only measures strength. All that other stuff is completely irrelevant.

 

[HashiraMadara]

Yonko level only measures strength. All that other stuff is completely irrelevant.

You think teach would be Yonko without his crew :|

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

-Mihawk rivaled Shanks. Its double standards to assume that Shanks got stronger over the years and not Mihawk.

-Everyone with is a sword is considered a swordsman. Even Bobbin(the bobble head Big Mom guy) is classified as a swordsman and that includes Shanks.

-Mihawk only cuts what he he wants to cut. The slash Jozu blocked was aimed at flesh so a man of diamond was able to stop it. Its similar to how Daz Bones, a man of steel, was able to block a rubber slash aimed at Luffy only to get one shotted a second later.

-There can be 100 people stronger than Mihawk but until someone actually defeats him, Miahwk will be known as the #1 swordsman. Its similar to WB's old nickname as WSM.

Well didn't Jozu block it with his whole body ? And Jozu hasn't did a full diamond body yet so wth that being said Jozu... Skin was able to tank it

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

You think teach would be Yonko without his crew :|

Great reading comprehension......

 

[Love Cook]

In Science to prove a theory is not true make it contradict itself: prove it doesn't

As someone with a masters degree and 7 years experience in writing theses and scientific papers I can safely say (without any empirical evidence) that you're talking out of your ass.

If you make a hypothesis it is up to you to prove why it is wrong or right, It's not my job to prove that it isn't right. And so far no one in this thread made a good argument as to why Mihawk is on that level.

 

[Prince Badman]

Well he's the same guy who enters Shanks' territory with no care in the world. He told the weakling to point where is shanks. He entered the cave with Shanks' top tier members like Benn Beckman , Yasop etc

look at Shanks reaction to Mihawk's arrival he was literally drunk and was kidding with Mihawk about loosening up and partying.....they are more like friends and certainly from the looks of it Mihawk's visit to Shanks remains a secret from the WG. You may ask why well WG knew about Whitebeard's and Shanks's meeting, they knew about altercation between Kaido and Shanks...but wouldn't they be worried if a Shichibukai just went to a Yonko? Some have actually theorized that Mihawk is even secretly a part of shanks's crew. It may sound vague and ridiculous but with the way those two behave it wouldn't be too surprising if that turned out to be true. Also when you talk about that take a look at Luffy....the way he was treating Smoker and Law at Punk Hazard..he was relaxed and cocky and those were strong opponents. Also everyone knows that Shanks doesn't kill or fight without a reason. He is a man that is respected for his word to the point that the Fleet Admiral took his words into consideration. So Mihawk strolling in Shanks territory without worry to meet him is not a sure sign that he is stronger

 

[A v i]

Only a mentally challenged would ask for an explanation about how the WSSM is stronger than another swordsman. Mihawk being the strongest in a domain which Shanks "one of the 4 emperors" belongs to is an irrefutable fact. And it remains as such until someone provides an authentic evidence as to why Shanks is somehow an exception from Mihawk's title.


That aside, the author himself placed him under the same tree as Shanks and Whitebeard"the absolute strongest" in SBS. I guess this alone is enough to warrant him yonko status in regards to strength.

 

[Hexuze]

You didn't have to make a thread for that.

 

[ssjelf]

As someone with a masters degree and 7 years experience in writing theses and scientific papers I can safely say (without any empirical evidence) that you're talking out of your ass.

If you make a hypothesis it is up to you to prove why it is wrong or right, It's not my job to prove that it isn't right. And so far no one in this thread made a good argument as to why Mihawk is on that level.

That is kind of true. What about the peer review process where people directly state what is wrong with your paper? There is also PhD defenses where you sit in front of a panel of 3 doctors from your university and they try to poke holes in your arguments. And then there is also (once the paper has been published anyways) papers published that can contradict the statements made in another paper previously published.

The point here being, and while I do agree with you in that he must provide proof of his claim like in a paper, there is no publishing process for our theories and so to refute someones statement it is usually best to do so with evidence, although with completely outlandish things it is best to ignore them altogether. If someone has made an argument and put forth evidence, then to refute would entail providing your own evidence not simply dismissing it as nonsense. I haven't read the entire thread here so i don't know what nonsense has occurred, but I think it is a rather arbitrary argument to simply dismiss someones argument as "not good" without explaining why.

 

[MasqueradeNX]

Im not one of them Mihawk fan boys but yes i kinda feel like he is yonko level if not really close. I thought Doflamingo was kinda close yonko level, but when Kaido *****ed about how weak he was i was like

 

[Son Ryuto Uzumaki]

He is Labeled the Greatest Swordsman in the WORLD!!!!! Im sure thats the Equivalant of of being the Pirate King amongst Swordsmen. Do i think he is Yonko level no. Why? Because we dont see him with a Fleet and we dont know of him having any territory. But do i think he can stand toe to toe with a Yonko, one vs one? Ofcourse

 

[Simpleatitsbest]

Only a mentally challenged would ask for an explanation about how the WSSM is stronger than another swordsman. Mihawk being the strongest in a domain which Shanks "one of the 4 emperors" belongs to is an irrefutable fact. And it remains as such until someone provides an authentic evidence as to why Shanks is somehow an exception from Mihawk's title.


That aside, the author himself placed him under the same tree as Shanks and Whitebeard"the absolute strongest" in SBS. I guess this alone is enough to warrant him yonko status in regards to strength.

I think that 13 years ago (or whenever Shanks lost his arm), that Mihawk never fought Shanks again after that incident, not in terms of swordsmen v swordsmen as I think Mihawk knows that Shanks used his left arm to wield his sword, so when he lost it, their rivalry could never be truly settled and after that, it wasn't worth facing him. I thinks it's then when he truly gained the title of WSSM as well.

I do think however, that Shanks is stronger than Mihawk, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's not Yonko level.. By hype, he's definitely up there.