[Discussion] Why Mihawk is Yonko level
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Doffy I feel (full powered no gamma knife or injection shot) is yonko first mate level similar to mArcoIm not one of them Mihawk fan boys but yes i kinda feel like he is yonko level if not really close. I thought Doflamingo was kinda close yonko level, but when Kaido *****ed about how weak he was i was like
Clearly reading is a big obstacle for you, I just said that it is not up to me to debunk random theories. The manga has not shown anything that proves he is yonkou material and you can speculate all day long about the meaning of what WSS means in relation to Shanks. But on the other hand the term yonkou is explained as: "the four most notorious and most powerful pirate captains in the world". And he is not one of them, end of story.
So it really is up to you to prove anything why Mihawk is as strong as a yonkou yet got passed in the ranking by Blackbeard.
Strongest man, strongest creature, strongest swordsman. It is all in relation to one each other.
Yonkou all have a lot of territories under control, wealth and crew, which also is a form of power. Mihawk has none of that, so why should it be fair to let Mihawk face off against a yonkou directly without giving the yonkou access to his resources.
Let Mihawk sail into Big Mom territory in his coffin, I wish him good luck.
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Yes it is. Your stance is that Mihawk isn't stronger than Shanks. That's your hypothesis. Just like it's up to us to prove that he is, it's up to you to prove that he isn't.
Proof: Both are swordsmen, Mihawk is strongest swordsman.
Your proof: Zip, zilch, zero. So, from a scientific standpoint, you're the one falling short. Not reading the rest of your excu-I mean post.
It's not about their rivalry, Shanks is clearly a swordsman and Mihawk is the strongest in that domain even when Shanks is around. It doesn't matter if they hadn't fought for years, when one of them is clearly acknowledged to be the strongest. Mihawk is being seen as the strongest SM by the entire world, despite the fact that there is a yonko who's also a swordsman.
It doesn't make any sense for Mihawk to be the weaker one even if you try to evaluate their strength using their rivalry as a reference; They should be equals or at least comparable in strength 10 years ago. Then it's Shanks who lost the most of the two, when there is nothing that can interrupt Mihawk's growth. Shanks lost his dominant arm, which'd make a substantial difference, He was forced to adjust himself to fight using his right arm. He had to adopt an entirly different fighting method. However, Mihawk remained the same and grown stronger with no problems at all. Not to mention, that loosing an arm will have an effect on how efficently one can fight, especially, when you're a swordsman. It's practically impossible for him to be still stronger than Miahwk unless his growth rate is leaps above that of Mihawk which again is very unlikely as Mihawk is also one of the 3 yongest top tier fighters.
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I'm not disputing he is the strongest swordsman, but in a complete 1 v 1, I think Shanks wins because of all of his other accolades that we haven't seen, but in swordsmanship, Mihawk is dominant. I agree that 10+ years ago they were very comparable in strength, but when Shanks lost his arm, I just think Mihwak didn't see the point in fighting him anymore because he knew he was no longer at his best and that there'd be no "winning" point in winning.
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Dude, it's not how many times your theories passes, it's about 1 time to prove it wrong and it becomes null and void :|
t0 = root[t-normal - (speed of object)/c] any object moving faster than light disproves this equation entirely, it doesn't matter how correct it was on other occasions :|
You skipped the proof.
I said Yonkou are told to be the 4 strongest pirates in the world. That is just as much as a title as Worlds strongest swordsman.
So Shanks is a Yonkou and might not be the WSS, but Mihawk is not a yonkou. And that is what this thread is about.
As for the rest, you can read it in my previous post. If you're refusing to read it that is your problem and says more about your arguments than mine.
The strength of a yonkou is not just being measured in the sharpness of his blade, like I said, Mihawk doesn't have the funds, materials, territory and manpower to wage war with a yonkou.
So there you go with your Zip, zilch, zero. Now go back to clamping on that one line that Mihawk used to be on par with Shanks 10 years ago. Because that is everything you have. Uno, one, ich.
Cool, let me know when something is travelling faster than the speed of light. Until then I'm in Einsteins' camp.
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You missed the whole point :|, We're not talking about territories here. We're talking 1 on 1 strength vs a Yonko :|
Well it has been sported many times but they keep blaming "faulty" accelerators...
Check quantum entanglement you will be enlightened
Why, it's not even in the opening post ? Being a yonkou is more that that.
Doflamingo without the Doflamingo family would also have shortened the Dressrosa arc significantly if they weren't there.
Let's strip the yonkou of his power and make him fight on 'equal' turf for Mihawk. You don't take away Mihawk's sword either do you ?
As I said. Let Mihawk sail into yonkou territory, that is the real fair fight. Meaning Mihawk is not on yonkou level. And if you want to single out the captains an make them fight then you're just twisting it in favor of Mihawk.
Whitebeard is stronger than an admiral, yet he had to face the entire navy before he had the chance to fight one in a one on one fight and lost.
You see yonkou like it is a level, but it is a title and a status. Like WSS. So if you want to strip Shanks of that title I'm done with this discussion because I could do the same with WSS and we'll be here all day.
End of the story is that Mihawk hasn't been a yonkou for decades at least and is passed by Blackbeard recently. So whether he doesn't care about it or isn't strong enough, he is unable to reach that level in his current state.
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Don't be dumb. Yonko level in the context of this thread means can Mihawk push any of the Yonko in a 1 vs 1 fight to high diff, extreme diff, or defeat them. You know this.
Maybe, however there is no benchmark to measure this. He certainly will be close to the captains but in what perfect world will Mihawk square off against a yonkou 1 vs 1 without any hindrance.
This is not a thread about who would win in a fight between X and Y. This is about is he on that level. The answer is no, he is not on that level.
Part of a yonkou's power is influence and control, Mihawk doesn't posses that.
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this was so good to read i love mingo and i think he is yonko at full power :3 makes me happy
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People misuse this #1 swordsman thing too much. Yes he's strong and he's the greatest swordsman in OP but that doesn't mean he can defeat everyone in a fight just because they use a sword.
Shanks has more than just his sword, he has his guns and haki, so just because Mihawk could best him in a sword fight doesn't automatically equal him being able to beat him in an all out battle. What if for some outlandish reason he lost his Yoru in the fight against Shanks, do you think he could still win?
Kizaru uses a sword of light but could Mihawk beat an Admiral? Probably not because once he's beaten him in swordplay the Admiral would resort to other methods of fighting. The base is split on this but if you're one of the ones who thinks any 1 of the Admirals could have beaten Whitebeard at MF 1v1 then how can you think Mihawk would win when he wasn't as strong as WB?
I am not even sure why people find it impossible for the WSSM to be stronger than another swordsman. MIhawk isn't simply most skilled swordsman out there, he's the strongest of them all. He's stronger than anyone who calls himself a swordsman both in skill and power and Shanks is one of them. Shanks doesn't use anything outside his sword to fight, his weapon of choice is a sword, everything about Shanks being more than just a swordsman is nothing but random non existing content, In what universe does Shanks use something other than a sword as his primary fighting weapon? Haki isn't a thing here, haki is what Zoro primarily trained for during the skip, I wonder if it somehow makes Zoro more than just a swordsman, considering, he is now officially one of haki beats. Haki is no fighting style, it simply is a secondary attribute which exists to complement your fighting strength. Oda placed him in same ballpark as Whitebeard and Shanks in an SBS response, therefore, it's not really impossible to think he can beat an admiral.
@Bold: You're clearly denying Mihawk's title here, if Shanks is stronger than Mihawk, then it means Mihawk isn't the WSSM. It's as simple as that, swordsmanship is what Shanks primarily uses to fight, it isn't secondary for him like it is to people like Kizaru. It's his piramary fighting style and it makes him weaker than Mihawk.
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And you know this as fact because you've seen Shanks fight so many times? Everybody on the base pretty much agrees Shanks' fighting style is a haki master like Garp. However, unlike Garp he channels haki through his weapons when he fights, my guess. We saw Boa and her clan use haki arrows, which sets the precedent for haki bullets. We saw Shanks' haki physically effect the world around him and we have no indication that was it at it's strongest. No one's saying Mihawk couldn't win a sword fight but we still don't know what all Shanks has in his repertoire. The fact is there are people who Mihawk couldn't beat in a fight but could beat in a sword fight. WSSM just means no one can beat him with a sword it doesn't mean someone who fights with a sword couldn't beat him with another method.
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A better question would be, How many times have you seen Garp fighting to declare him as a haki man? while you're at that find me the panels of Shanks fighting someone without reaching his sword then we can talk about the possibilities of him being more than just a swordsman.
And I already explained it above, haki isn't classified as a fighting style, all it does is to complement your attack power as well as defense. The hell does being a haki man even mean? Garp and Shanks aren't same any sense. Garp is brawler, when Shanks is swordsman. Even someone like Vergo is regarded as a bamboo man not a haki man despite his hype surrounding haki.
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Garp was shown training his haki against mountains don't try to act like Garp's primary fighting method isn't his haki coated hands. Show me the panels of him fighting with his sword, as far as I can remember(which could be incomplete that's why I'm not stating these as fact) we've never seen Shanks fight so neither of us could produce panels of him fighting. I could produce panels of him(presumably) using haki back in chapter 1 rather than a weapon against the Sea King and on WB's ship he used his haki. There's far more panels out showing Shanks displaying haki then there are showing him sword fighting I'd bet. His sword is his primary weapon like WB's Bisento is his primary weapon but that doesn't make them their primary or even strongest method of fighting, WB's fruit is stronger than his weapon and he amplifies his weapon with his fruit.
Classified by who? Oda never classified his fighting styles. Haki man/master is a term created by fans to describe characters who use haki as a primary means of offense and defense. Being a haki man means exactly as it sounds, you rely on exceling in one form of haki to grant you an edge in battle. Enel's priests used CoO to help avoid damage, Vergo used CoA to boost his defense and damage. A haki man is someone who doesn't rely on their own tools for the majority of their fighting method. Zoro has haki but doesn't typically use it where as the other 2 I mentioned constantly used it in battle.