[Discussion] Why Mihawk is Yonko level

[Love Cook]

Incorrect, it's about can he fight them on equal standing.

You're not even trying anymore, go read the first post. Hell even read the title. It's about yonkou level. Not a one on one fight.

you're incorrect and you know it because the last few posts have been nothing but bullshitting, you haven't given a decent argument, there is no proof because the manga doesn't state it anywhere.

It's only grasping for straws and trying to wiggle yourself out of the hole you dug. The funny thing is that you know that I'm right but you're too small of a man to admit it.

I already said multiple times that in a one on one fight Mihawk would be close in strength to a yonkou, but now it is up to you to admit that it doesn't make him yonkou level.

What would happen if Big mom and her force shows up on Monkey Island, will he and Perona clean them up ? lol keep dreaming. I'm out of this piece of shit thread.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Using Love Cook's logic, Roger isn't fleet admiral level or higher since the Roger Pirates aren't stronger than the Marines.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Using Love Cook's logic, Roger isn't fleet admiral level or higher since the Roger Pirates aren't stronger than the Marines.

That's not his logic at all. Mihawk doesn't have the influence as a lone wolf, Roger did as exemplified by having a crew. He's saying Mihawk can match a yonkou in strength but not influence and power isn't the only thing that makes a Yonkou.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

That's not his logic at all. Mihawk doesn't have the influence as a lone wolf, Roger did as exemplified by having a crew. He's saying Mihawk can match a yonkou in strength but not influence and power isn't the only thing that makes a Yonkou.

Yonko level is just a measure of strength, not influence. It does follow his logic since Roger doesn't have enough influence to take down the Marines, similar to how Mihawk doesn't have enough influence to take down a Yonko crew.

 

[HashiraMadara]

Using Love Cook's logic, Roger isn't fleet admiral level or higher since the Roger Pirates aren't stronger than the Marines.

exactly :sdo:, Roger never conqured any territory, he lived by "freedom" and "adventure" and eventually became Pirate King :| , Love Cook has nothing else to stand but "influence". I tell you, Mihawk V Kaido not Mihawk V Kaido Pirates :|

 

[chopstickchakra]

Yonko level is just a measure of strength, not influence. It does follow his logic since Roger doesn't have enough influence to take down the Marines, similar to how Mihawk doesn't have enough influence to take down a Yonko crew.

I suppose, that's not how I took what he said though. He admitted Mihawk could match one in strength but doesn't think he could call himself a Yonkou since he can't do what they do without having a crew, is how I saw it. How would he watch over all the territories like WB and BM do with no side crews to report back to him? I understood Love Cook's point to be Yonkou level isn't simply strength

 

[HashiraMadara]

I suppose, that's not how I took what he said though. He admitted Mihawk could match one in strength but doesn't think he could call himself a Yonkou since he can't do what they do without having a crew, is how I saw it. How would he watch over all the territories like WB and BM do with no side crews to report back to him? I understood Love Cook's point to be Yonkou level isn't simply strength

Nha he is just not admitting that He believed him to be < in strength, now he is using influence as an excuse

 

[Love Cook]

Nha he is just not admitting that He believed him to be < in strength, now he is using influence as an excuse

That is not what I said dillhole, quote me on it instead of bullshitting your way through the last few pages.

Look:

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I already said multiple times that in a one on one fight Mihawk would be close in strength to a yonkou, but now it is up to you to admit that it doesn't make him yonkou level.

Maybe, however there is no benchmark to measure this. He certainly will be close to the captains but in what perfect world will Mihawk square off against a yonkou 1 vs 1 without any hindrance.

You're tongue is so far up Mihawk's sphincter that your eyes are blocked by his hairy ass. The only things I said are:

1) Mihawk might be close in terms of fighting strength with a yonkou captain
2) Mihawk is not on yonkou level because he lacks influence, money and crew

If Big mom decides to end Mihawk she will get it done because she has the resources to do so, but it doesn't work the other way around.

Next time don't put words in my mouth, just accept that I'm right.

 

[Simpleatitsbest]

Using Love Cook's logic, Roger isn't fleet admiral level or higher since the Roger Pirates aren't stronger than the Marines.

Yonko level is just a measure of strength, not influence. It does follow his logic since Roger doesn't have enough influence to take down the Marines, similar to how Mihawk doesn't have enough influence to take down a Yonko crew.

exactly :sdo:, Roger never conqured any territory, he lived by "freedom" and "adventure" and eventually became Pirate King :| , Love Cook has nothing else to stand but "influence". I tell you, Mihawk V Kaido not Mihawk V Kaido Pirates :|

He doesn't need any of those things, Roger didn't want to conquer anyone, his level was his own, Pirate King, the freest man on the seas! To be able to say that I'd say he's a higher level than any Yonko, admiral or fleet admiral. Every pirate acknowledged him as the first Pirate King, so wouldn't you say that must have been a measure in strength. So I wouldn't bring Roger into this lol

 

[Punk Hazard]

He doesn't need any of those things, Roger didn't want to conquer anyone, his level was his own, Pirate King, the freest man on the seas! To be able to say that I'd say he's a higher level than any Yonko, admiral or fleet admiral. Every pirate acknowledged him as the first Pirate King, so wouldn't you say that must have been a measure in strength. So I wouldn't bring Roger into this lol

That's not true. "Pirate King" isn't a rank Roger achieved on his own and is actually pretty much equivalent to what makes a Yonko. I'm pretty sure Luffy himself has stated that he'll never be Pirate King on his own, and it's pretty obvious that, like Yonko, becoming Pirate King requires powerful allies.

 

[Simpleatitsbest]

That's not true. "Pirate King" isn't a rank Roger achieved on his own and is actually pretty much equivalent to what makes a Yonko. I'm pretty sure Luffy himself has stated that he'll never be Pirate King on his own, and it's pretty obvious that, like Yonko, becoming Pirate King requires powerful allies.

It's completely true, he's the one sole person to achieve that title in the OPV, I was referring to him not needing any territories or influence to achieve that title.. Anyways, his crew are referred to as "the Pirate King's crew", so the title was Rogers, so how can it be equivalent to what makes a Yonko? He and his crew had the most freedom on the seas, respected / acknowledged by every pirate, even marines and were the sole crew to conquer the Grand Line? No other Yonko has managed to get to Raftel, that in itself puts him on a different level to a Yonko as they aren't equivalent.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

That is not what I said dillhole, quote me on it instead of bullshitting your way through the last few pages.

Look:


You're tongue is so far up Mihawk's sphincter that your eyes are blocked by his hairy ass. The only things I said are:

1) Mihawk might be close in terms of fighting strength with a yonkou captain
2) Mihawk is not on yonkou level because he lacks influence, money and crew

If Big mom decides to end Mihawk she will get it done because she has the resources to do so, but it doesn't work the other way around.

Next time don't put words in my mouth, just accept that I'm right.

Power levels are based only on individual strength. Allies and influence have nothing to do with determining what level someone is on.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

PK level doesn't exist. Roger became PK because he was the first person to sail the entire world. The Yonkou are only so powerful due to their crews, allies & influence. They reign like EMPERORS. How did BB become a yonkou, the defeating the remaining WB crew members and taking over their TERRITORIES. Mihawk could never become a yonkou because he is a lone wolf.

 

[Punk Hazard]

It's completely true, he's the one sole person to achieve that title in the OPV, I was referring to him not needing any territories or influence to achieve that title.. Anyways, his crew are referred to as "the Pirate King's crew", so the title was Rogers, so how can it be equivalent to what makes a Yonko? He and his crew had the most freedom on the seas, respected / acknowledged by every pirate, even marines and were the sole crew to conquer the Grand Line? No other Yonko has managed to get to Raftel, that in itself puts him on a different level to a Yonko as they aren't equivalent.

Yes, Roger is the sole person to earn the title of Pirate King, but he is not the sole reason he earned that moniker.

Roger didn't become Pirate King because he was the strongest, or the fastest. It was because he was the captain of the crew that sailed around the world.

Becoming Pirate King is earned through completing some impossible task. For Roger's generation, it was being the captain of the crew to first achieve sailing around the entire world. For this generation, it's being captain of the crew that finds One Piece. All things no person can do through their sole powers and abilities.

The title is equivalent to Yonko because a person, no matter how strong they may be, will never become Yonko without having powerful crews, fleets, and territories. Likewise, a person, no matter how strong they may be, will never become Yonko without having a powerful crew and allies. A person can't sail the entire world, or find One Piece, by themselves, just like a person can't become a Yonko by themselves.

You mention that none of the current Yonko have found Raftel, but didn't Roger also need help finding Raftel from those that could read the Poneglyphs?

Does the title belong to Roger? Yes. Did Roger achieve it through his strength solely? Absolutely not.

 

[Simpleatitsbest]

Yes, Roger is the sole person to earn the title of Pirate King, but he is not the sole reason he earned that moniker.

Roger didn't become Pirate King because he was the strongest, or the fastest. It was because he was the captain of the crew that sailed around the world.

Becoming Pirate King is earned through completing some impossible task. For Roger's generation, it was being the captain of the crew to first achieve sailing around the entire world. For this generation, it's being captain of the crew that finds One Piece. All things no person can do through their sole powers and abilities.

The title is equivalent to Yonko because a person, no matter how strong they may be, will never become Yonko without having powerful crews, fleets, and territories. Likewise, a person, no matter how strong they may be, will never become Yonko without having a powerful crew and allies. A person can't sail the entire world, or find One Piece, by themselves, just like a person can't become a Yonko by themselves.

You mention that none of the current Yonko have found Raftel, but didn't Roger also need help finding Raftel from those that could read the Poneglyphs?

Does the title belong to Roger? Yes. Did Roger achieve it through his strength solely? Absolutely not.

You've pretty much solely placed an argument to how I implied or said that he achieved his title on his own, or that it was his strength that achieved it... I didn't imply or say that, I never said he achieved anything on his own, but it is HIS title, that's what I said. I'm quite aware that he had the help of his crew, and a person to read the poneglyphs (which I think he just used the voice of all things, so it was him) and that when he conquered the Grand Line, it was the seas, not islands or other pirate crews.

Pirate King is not equivalent to a Yonko's title, I see it as the next step, whether it's strength or pure achievements, they're not equivalent and Roger was the sole person to achieve the title.

You seem to have the wrong idea of what I was saying...

 

[Punk Hazard]

You've pretty much solely placed an argument to how I implied or said that he achieved his title on his own, or that it was his strength that achieved it... I didn't imply or say that, I never said he achieved anything on his own, but it is HIS title, that's what I said. I'm quite aware that he had the help of his crew, and a person to read the poneglyphs (which I think he just used the voice of all things, so it was him) and that when he conquered the Grand Line, it was the seas, not islands or other pirate crews.

Pirate King is not equivalent to a Yonko's title, I see it as the next step, whether it's strength or pure achievements, they're not equivalent and Roger was the sole person to achieve the title.

You seem to have the wrong idea of what I was saying...

Then what you're saying has no real relevance to this thread, since you're basically arguing that Pirate King is a higher "social class" than Yonko, when this thread is about battling.

 

[Simpleatitsbest]

Then what you're saying has no real relevance to this thread, since you're basically arguing that Pirate King is a higher "social class" than Yonko, when this thread is about battling.

My point was that you can't use Roger as an example here, he's not Yonko level, he wasn't trying to conquer lands or gain influence, so to use him as an example against either a Yonko title or Mihawk doesn't hold up.

And I'm not saying whatsoever that it's a "higher social class" haha, I'll say it right now, Roger was the strongest pirate of his time in his prime.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Roger didn't become Pirate King because he was the strongest, or the fastest. It was because he was the captain of the crew that sailed around the world.

True but by being the only crew to accomplish it we can conclude that on the whole his crew and he are above the Yonkou. If they weren't then there's no reason another crew has still yet to reach Raftel. There's a reason Roger was the first one able to lead a crew all the way there and that's partly his strength. So while the title wasn't given based on a feat of strength a great strength was still required to reach it.

You mention that none of the current Yonko have found Raftel, but didn't Roger also need help finding Raftel from those that could read the Poneglyphs?

No, no he didn't. Roger could understand and write in the language of the poneglyphs so he didn't need anyone to help him find it by deciphering the messages. Remember he left a message on the Skypeian poneglyph.

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[TRE MERCER]

Lmao at that clown who said Moriah and Kaido were rivals that was NEVER stated. We only know that Kaido obliterated him and his crew.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

No, no he didn't. Roger could understand and write in the language of the poneglyphs so he didn't need anyone to help him find it by deciphering the messages. Remember he left a message on the Skypeian poneglyph.

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It also helped that they had Oden with them, and he could read the Poneglyphs.