[Discussion] Why Mihawk is Yonko level

[chopstickchakra]

It also helped that they had Oden with them, and he could read the Poneglyphs.

We don't know how long he was on their boat and that panel was released before the reveal of Oden. Rayleigh says right there the reason Roger could write in the language was Voice of all Things

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

We don't know how long he was on their boat and that panel was released before the reveal of Oden. Rayleigh says right there the reason Roger could write in the language was Voice of all Things

Maybe the "All Things" that he hears includes the guy next to him, reading out the Poneglyph.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Maybe the "All Things" that he hears includes the guy next to him, reading out the Poneglyph.

I like how you try to force your opinion over the manga, bravo sir. We don't even know how long Oden was on Rogers ship to say he was there at skypiea which came before Wano. What you're implying happened was Roger sailed all the way to Wano picked up Oden then sailed all the way back to the Grand Line so he could go to Skypiea then read the poneglyph.

 

[A v i]

Garp was shown training his haki against mountains don't try to act like Garp's primary fighting method isn't his haki coated hands. Show me the panels of him fighting with his sword, as far as I can remember(which could be incomplete that's why I'm not stating these as fact) we've never seen Shanks fight so neither of us could produce panels of him fighting. I could produce panels of him(presumably) using haki back in chapter 1 rather than a weapon against the Sea King and on WB's ship he used his haki. There's far more panels out showing Shanks displaying haki then there are showing him sword fighting I'd bet. His sword is his primary weapon like WB's Bisento is his primary weapon but that doesn't make them their primary or even strongest method of fighting, WB's fruit is stronger than his weapon and he amplifies his weapon with his fruit.

Classified by who? Oda never classified his fighting styles. Haki man/master is a term created by fans to describe characters who use haki as a primary means of offense and defense. Being a haki man means exactly as it sounds, you rely on exceling in one form of haki to grant you an edge in battle. Enel's priests used CoO to help avoid damage, Vergo used CoA to boost his defense and damage. A haki man is someone who doesn't rely on their own tools for the majority of their fighting method. Zoro has haki but doesn't typically use it where as the other 2 I mentioned constantly used it in battle.

Enough with the non existing material, Garp never said he trained his haki, he said he trained his fists by using 8 mountains as if they were punching bags or something along these lines. I am not even sure how "hakimanship" is a thing even if Garp is a haki beast. Garp was a proficient haki user and so is Zoro, what does that change? Nothing. Zoro is no less haki reliant than Garp or Shanks. Garp doesn't need haki to fight fodder number 27362, Zoro simply doesn't use it often to conserve it, as people can't have unlimited supply of haki. In the end, haki is nothing more than a kind power which boosts your offense and defense. Garp is a brawler and Zoro is a swordsman not a haki man. It is as simple as that.

You don't need him to fight for a 100 chapters long to conform him to be a swordsman, I'll ask you again, how many times have you seen Garp fight to say he's a hakiman?

• Shanks always carries his sword along with him,Always seen with a sword whenever he's involved in a fight something only a swordsman would do.
• The first thing he'd reach to start a fight with someone is his sword.
• Clashed with Newgate using a sword.
• Used a sword to defend someone from a marine admiral.
• Drew it to challenge most if not all of the top tier fighters in the world.
• Rivaled current "strongest swordsman".

This clearly makes him a swordsman. There is no denying this until when the manga itself directly contradicts it. All you're doing is making excuses using unauthentic evidence. You can't use Newgate to make an argument for Shanks, they're not even comparable in any sense. If anything, they're completely opposite to each other, Whitebeard never limited himself to his weapon alone, whereas, we never saw Shanks doing something with anything other than his sword. There is 0 evidence from manga to oppose the point of him being a swordsman.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Lmfao do people still think that Haki is a fighting style?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Lmfao do people still think that Haki is a fighting style?

Exactly what I was wondering tbvh.

"Garp is a Hakiman."

No you idiot, he's a brawler/martial artist.

 

[Skull Knight]

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-admrals =/= Yonko lvl. this was already proved when 5admirals were summoned to face 1Yonko and when another Yonko entered MF they all decided to stop the war.

-Still Jinbei disbabded his crew which means he moved alone like Mihawk and Kuma and that was not his crew. It was Fisher Tiger's crew when he became famous and there are lots of one sided rivalry shown in OP like Garp-Chinjao, Shiki-Roger and I dont understand why people bring this point? Mihawk-Shanks rivalry was like 10years back. Now they dont even fight.This point makes no sense. Its like sayin Moriah was Yonko lvl or Chinjao was Garp lvl because they once fought wit Kaido and Garp respectively.

-Again wrong Shichibukai dont give a shit about those summons. It was shown when Boa hancock had no interest in going to MF or to catch world at OP 3D2Ymovie. Mihawk had no interset in fighting against WB or Shanks at MF. Jinbei resigned his position and went to ID.

-Pirates are the only guys who moves freely in OP

Lmao at that clown who said Moriah and Kaido were rivals that was NEVER stated. We only know that Kaido obliterated him and his crew.

Moriah was Kaido's rival. He fought and lost his crew against him at NW like chinjao lost his treasure(Garp) and Shiki lost his fleet(Roger).
Now dont say Shiki was not Roger's rival. because Roger destroyed Shiki's fleet.

 

[A v i]

Moriah was Kaido's rival. He fought and lost his crew against him at NW like chinjao lost his treasure(Garp) and Shiki lost his fleet(Roger).
Now dont say Shiki was not Roger's rival. because Roger destroyed Shiki's fleet.

No, he's not, it was just a rumor created by the people from paradise. The actual truth is, Kaido wiped out Moriah's entire crew, which was conformed by non-other than Moriah himself. Shiki was indeed a rival to Roger, But Roger never destroyed his fleet. If anything, it was Roger pirates who almost met their end in EDD war and were saved thanks to the storm.

Lmfao do people still think that Haki is a fighting style?

Unfortunately, Yes.

 

[HashiraMadara]

Maybe the "All Things" that he hears includes the guy next to him, reading out the Poneglyph.

Well to be serious Oden is just a plot twist that Oda never thought of in Saboady Arch...
Roger could hear Zunisha, See Kings etc... Since Luffy couldn't read shit the Oden plot is forced

 

[HashiraMadara]

Exactly what I was wondering tbvh.

"Garp is a Hakiman."

No you idiot, he's a brawler/martial artist.

"Garp is a Hakiman." he is just buttburt by the fact that Shanks has been portrayed as a swordsman. He fears he might not have anything else than his sword :| and Mihawk was stated to be WSS...

 

[Love Cook]

"Garp is a Hakiman." he is just buttburt by the fact that Shanks has been portrayed as a swordsman. He fears he might not have anything else than his sword :| and Mihawk was stated to be WSS...

I don't think he is too worried about that, Shanks still holds the title of one of the 4 strongest pirates on the seas. A title that Mihawk never can obtain in his state.

 

[HashiraMadara]

I don't think he is too worried about that, Shanks still holds the title of one of the 4 strongest pirates on the seas. A title that Mihawk never can obtain in his state.

Well, you on the other hand are butthurt and hiding behind "influence".
It's true, one or two admirals are enough to kill Mihawk. But the whole marines are needed to kill Shanks because he is no lone wolf :|
HOWEVER You missed my directional point of the thread: Mihawk is roughly equal to a Yonko crew captain

 

[Love Cook]

Well, you on the other hand are butthurt and hiding behind "influence".
It's true, one or two admirals are enough to kill Mihawk. But the whole marines are needed to kill Shanks because he is no lone wolf :|
HOWEVER You missed my directional point of the thread: Mihawk is roughly equal to a Yonko crew captain

No I didn't miss it you lazy sack of shit. You keep saying that, doesn't make it any more true. If you had the balls to reply in depth you would be done 2 pages ago.

The first thing I said was that he is near yonkou captain level, but you're calling the part about 'influence' an excuse, which it isn't because you achieve shit if you're own your own in the One Piece world. Even Luffy has 6000 men now.

Here is a fresh reminder:

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Did you see that I acknowledged Mihawk's strength multiple times ? But just like you said, at the end of the day is a lone wolf. And the stronger crews hunt in packs.

Now stop speaking for me, I'm more than capable than doing that on my own. As for you I think a lot of people would benefit if you kept quiet.

As for calling me butthurt, let's assume that I'm a Shanks fanboy, which I'm not. Mihawk has no hope of beating Shanks and you know that.

I also liked how you dodged the thingy about 1 of the 4 strongest pirates. Apparently titles only count in favor of Mihawk.

 

[Punk Hazard]

This man Love Cook really still arguing about whether or not Mihawk could become a Yonko rn when the thread was is he capable of pushing a Yonko to at least high diff and he's already said he can. Talk about a pointless string of posts.

 

[HashiraMadara]

This man Love Cook really still arguing about whether or not Mihawk could become a Yonko rn when the thread was is he capable of pushing a Yonko to at least high diff and he's already said he can. Talk about a pointless string of posts.

Dude ignore him :sdo: I don't got energy

 

[Love Cook]

This man Love Cook really still arguing about whether or not Mihawk could become a Yonko rn when the thread was is he capable of pushing a Yonko to at least high diff and he's already said he can. Talk about a pointless string of posts.

Why do you feel the need to respond then ? There is only one guy that is frustrating the argument and that is this ******* below. Because even you read that I stated multiple times that Mihawk can push a yonkou captain high diff. and I know you're struggling with part-time illiteracy whenever it suits you. So good for you

Dude ignore him :sdo: I don't got energy

Well you called it off over yourself. So you should take your own advice. Ignoring me would be the best thing you could do. Because now you look stupid again, because there is nothing wrong with my memory. If something isn't on the most recent page of a discussion thread I'm happy to remind you again what I said earlier and call you a moron in the process if you try to twist my words.

So you're stupid little game is over, I've proven you're wrong. And now all of a sudden you're going to act like. Yeah bro, let's ignore this guy.

That's the behavior of scum, you flee when it gets hard and you switch sides to save your face. If you had some balls you would admit that my opinion didn't change since my first post. Because you already agreed on my other point that Mihawk is a lone wolf that can't compete with big crews. So I understand that it is painful to see, because that would mean that all your arguing was for nothing because you share my opinion now. If only you realized that on page 4.

Talk about wasted energy.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I stated multiple times that Mihawk can push a yonkou captain high diff.

Then what are you doing lol no one cares whether or not Mihawk can be a Yonko right now bruh

 

[Love Cook]

Then what are you doing lol no one cares whether or not Mihawk can be a Yonko right now bruh

Because that is my opinion. The only thing there is to go on is the title of this thread because the opening post is crap.

You can read it like however you want, and if you think this is a 1 v 1 thread about yonkou vs Mihawk then that's ok. But there are mixed signals on the first pages and I gave my opinion about both matters.

If no one cared I doubt I got this many replies and reputation comments in this thread. If someone calls me out and twists my words, I'll respond. It's simple like that.

So the only thing you should be asking is why you keep feeling the need to respond while you weren't even part of this argument. You added yourself like a parasite jumping on the bandwagon like the big opportunist that you are.

You don't get to tell me what I can or can't say. But it all could've been prevented with some clear ground rules in the first post.

Because my definition of yonkou level still takes influence into account and I can't give a single rat fμck if you don't think that it matters in any way.

Maybe go cry about it 6 pages in.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Because that is my opinion. The only thing there is to go on is the title of this thread because the opening post is crap.

You can read it like however you want, and if you think this is a 1 v 1 thread about yonkou vs Mihawk then that's ok. But there are mixed signals on the first pages and I gave my opinion about both matters.

If no one cared I doubt I got this many replies and reputation comments in this thread. If someone calls me out and twists my words, I'll respond. It's simple like that.

So the only thing you should be asking is why you keep feeling the need to respond while you weren't even part of this argument. You added yourself like a parasite jumping on the bandwagon like the big opportunist that you are.

You don't get to tell me what I can or can't say. But it all could've been prevented with some clear ground rules in the first post.

Because my definition of yonkou level still takes influence into account and I can't give a single rat fμck if you don't think that it matters in any way.

Maybe go cry about it 6 pages in.

No mixed singles, it's Mihawk vs a Yonko 1 vs 1.

 

[Love Cook]

No mixed singles, it's Mihawk vs a Yonko 1 vs 1.

Go quote it then, nothing suggests that. The only thing to go on is the title.

Yonkou level, that can be anything. You can have your take, and I will have my take. If you disagree with it fine, I will still sleep tonight. But don't make shit up/