Why isn't Kakashi S-class ninja?

[Owarij]

madara's meteor
c4
chibaku tensei
tsukuyomi
amaterasu
daytime tiger
kamui
kakuzu&hidan's combo (which was never survived before kakashi)
liger bomb
gaara's technique where you bury the opponent 200m underground and he's unable to move even a finger
orochimaru's possession technique


all these are 'unavoidable' one-hit kills/unavoidable match winners. all of them have been survived and beaten.

c4 can be survived simply by maintaing the same distance from the bomb that deidara is keeping from it (if no one manages to come up with that idea they're one stupid team). yeah, some techniques are less avoidable than others, but it's just a matter of degree. and how often do these techniques win the fights? people win fights with normal avoidable attacks as often as with huge ones. and often smarts have much more to do with getting the victory than the jutsu you use, esp with evenly matches/high level opponents

They won't realize the distance deidara is keeping from it..He's a aerial fighter, the won't even think thats the reason he's up there......The only reason sasuke could , is because he can see the cloud of nano bombs

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And he saw deidara hovering over it

 

[Nilloc Uzumaki]

So you admit that once C4 is cast any kage without sensing abilities will be doomed?

And he is able to evade Gai's entire team without any arms. Is able to easily and quickly make clay birds, and can simultaneously make the dragon bomb the kage while he makes C4. He will pull C4 off.

Deidara got raped by Sasuke before he even had MS. The same Sasuke who got RAPED, along with his entire team, by Bee. The same Sasuke who could barely hold his own against A WITH MS. The same A who is a low-end to average Kage. Deidara is not Kage level. Neither was the man who brought him his death.

 

[Blaze Release]

They won't realize the distance deidara is keeping from it..He's a aerial fighter, the won't even think thats the reason he's up there......The only reason sasuke could , is because he can see the cloud of nano bombs

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And he saw deidara hovering over it

+ rep, ive already thought about this but you take the time and effort to look through the chapters and find the page. Im too lazy for that

 

[Nilloc Uzumaki]

They won't realize the distance deidara is keeping from it..He's a aerial fighter, the won't even think thats the reason he's up there......The only reason sasuke could , is because he can see the cloud of nano bombs

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And he saw deidara hovering over it

What? Are you saying that the fact that he is in the air, the Kage won't attack him? Deidara has a Kage level jutsu. As does Konohomaru. Does that make him Kage level?

 

[Owarij]

Deidara got raped by Sasuke before he even had MS. The same Sasuke who got RAPED, along with his entire team, by Bee. The same Sasuke who could barely hold his own against A WITH MS. The same A who is a low-end to average Kage. Deidara is not Kage level. Neither was the man who brought him his death.

Its that stupid a-b logic you use...Sasuke was the worst possible match up for deidara, ABSOLUTELY the worst , Not only could he see his nanobombs, but he had lightning element which defused his earth element....In every single way possible sasuke was the worst for deidara...

Deidara has a Kage level jutsu. As does Konohomaru. Does that make him Kage level?

Really really getting tired arguing with someone who can't understand such a basic thing....Deidara can execute and kill most kages because of his abilitiy....Thus he is kage level......

Konohamaru may have a a rank jutsu , but the jutsu is

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But the jutsu is linear and easily dodged by most chuunins, jounins and kages............Deidara's c4 is a jutsu that can't be dodged by normal means...It's like chibaku tensei... unless you have somekind of s/t or you're the 9 tails , you won't get out of it alone....

 

[lanakau888]

Wind Rasenshuriken
Shikamaru's shadow manipulation
Kakashi's Kamui
Kankuro's puppets
Darui's black lightning
Danzo's guard's body reversal tech
Pre-MS Sasuke Chidori
Konohomaru's Rasengan
Haku's 1000 water needles of death
Zabuza's Silent Killing/Hidden Mist combo

1) can be avoided by jumping if fast enough
2) can be avoided by dodging/running away
3) can be avoided by running/dodging
4) can be avoided/destroyed
5) can be avoided or even tanked by more durable opponents
6) can be easily avoided as it is slow
7) can be dodged just by being quick/reflexes
8) has been dodged by kabuto with just speed
9) dodged by early series sasuke
10) be a sensor, have technique that blows away mist, sense by smell.

Everything on the list can be avoided with either good speed/reflexes, durability, or firepower, things that are standard to all kage-level opponents.

Things that are not standard to kage-level oppents is chakra sensing abilities which is required to sense C4.

Or mountain-busting power which is required to break chibaku tensei.

I hope you can see the difference it is quite clear.

Speed, durability, reflexes all go out the door when dealing with attacks that are you can't run away from, and can't tank, which is what C4 and Chibaku tensei are.

 

[lanakau888]

Deidara got raped by Sasuke before he even had MS. The same Sasuke who got RAPED, along with his entire team, by Bee. The same Sasuke who could barely hold his own against A WITH MS. The same A who is a low-end to average Kage. Deidara is not Kage level. Neither was the man who brought him his death.

which brings me to the question as why you think A is low end kage lvl? And you know that this is not DBZ right where if A > B and B >C then A > C. Sasuke had two EXTREME advantages over deidara which allowed him to win, the first was his ability to see chakra which saved him from C4 and landmines, and the ability to use raiton which saved him a bunch of times in the battle.

and I have to ask one more time, why the heck do you think A is a low-end kage?

 

[Shinobi no Yami]

NO he is jonin..

he was up for Hokage. but tsunade woke up. so that makes him a Kage level ninja plus he has alot of war time experience.

 

[Nilloc Uzumaki]

Lol Deidara has to be able to get of C4. Hashirama's Wood Release, Tobirama's S/T jutsu, Hiruzen's Adamantine Staff, Minato FTG, 3rd Raikage's Black Lightning, A's Lightning Release armor, Onoki's Dust Release, Mei's two Kekkai Genkai, Muu's flying, 3rd Kazekage's magnet release, Fourth's Gold release would all dispatch of Deidara before he can do C4.

 

[Uchiha Gohan]

look it up , i think it translates ta like a hulk dude or something they're monsterous beings like the bijuus and godzilla.

ninjutsu rank sys not adapted version of naruto verse but it applies well fer this. we haven't seen any kaijuus besides fer so6p.



kakashi has ems. it's his dead best friends eye. think about it ...he wud have gone blind years ago if he hadn't had ems.

what?!?! you sir are an blatant troll.

 

[Nilloc Uzumaki]

which brings me to the question as why you think A is low end kage lvl? And you know that this is not DBZ right where if A > B and B >C then A > C. Sasuke had two EXTREME advantages over deidara which allowed him to win, the first was his ability to see chakra which saved him from C4 and landmines, and the ability to use raiton which saved him a bunch of times in the battle.

and I have to ask one more time, why the heck do you think A is a low-end kage?

Lol so you admit C4 is the only thing Deidara has that is worth a damn? Since you are saying Sasuke's ability to combat it spelled doom for Deidara, as none of his other techniques are good.

Because he really is. He can't beat any of the first four Hokage, he couldn't defeat Onoki if he was younger, I doubt he could be Muu or the 3rd Kazekage. The fourth Kazekage is debatable. He is the strongest of the Kage in this age, when Kage's are at their weakest.

 

[lanakau888]

Lol Deidara has to be able to get of C4. Hashirama's Wood Release, Tobirama's S/T jutsu, Hiruzen's Adamantine Staff, Minato FTG, 3rd Raikage's Black Lightning, A's Lightning Release armor, Onoki's Dust Release, Mei's two Kekkai Genkai, Muu's flying, 3rd Kazekage's magnet release, Fourth's Gold release would all dispatch of Deidara before he can do C4.

Not if all those forementioned were busy running for their lives while the dragon bombed them, while deidara makes C4 while flying on one of his birds which avoid any long range attack that is used while being pressured by the dragon.

 

[Owarij]

Lol Deidara has to be able to get of C4. Hashirama's Wood Release, Tobirama's S/T jutsu, Hiruzen's Adamantine Staff, Minato FTG, 3rd Raikage's Black Lightning, A's Lightning Release armor, Onoki's Dust Release, Mei's two Kekkai Genkai, Muu's flying, 3rd Kazekage's magnet release, Fourth's Gold release would all dispatch of Deidara before he can do C4.

Now thats stupid logic....
Most likely hashirama's wood release can finish deidara before he can do anything....
But do you know how tobirama's s/t works?.....Kakashi stated he's never seen or heard about any s/t that didn't involves seals or scrolls....When he saw tobi...which means tobirama's s/t had to involve something with one of those....If it wasn't like Minato which he attached a seal to a kunai.. you have no idea what it was....

Hiruzen's adamtine staff ...You realize he has to summon enma, then transform enma into that? all that time deidara could easily have made a bird with clay and taken off?

Minato FTG, Minato is another person i see no problem defeating deidara, only because of his speed etc...

3rd Raikage's Black Lightning Dodgeable.... But the third raikage always has raiton surging through his body thus won't be affected by c4 anyways..

A's Lightning Release armo ^ see above


Onoki's Dust Release You do realize deidara can just throw his little homing missile bombs at oonoki making him have to dodge them first? etc etc..

With that logic all i have to say it , Deidara throws his homing birds at them , and kills all the kage.....

 

[lanakau888]

Lol so you admit C4 is the only thing Deidara has that is worth a damn? Since you are saying Sasuke's ability to combat it spelled doom for Deidara, as none of his other techniques are good.

landmines would have got sasuke if he didn't have raiton, minibombs would have got sasuke if he didn't have raiton, deidara clone would have got sasuke if he didn't have raiton.[/QUOTE]

Because he really is. He can't beat any of the first four Hokage, he couldn't defeat Onoki if he was younger, I doubt he could be Muu or the 3rd Kazekage. The fourth Kazekage is debatable. He is the strongest of the Kage in this age, when Kage's are at their weakest.

None of the kages that are not a sensor can escape from C4 since they won't even know its coming.

using your logic, Gai >>>>> MS Sasuke > Kakashi because Kakashi< MS sasuke << Bee << Kisame < Gai

 

[Owarij]

Lol so you admit C4 is the only thing Deidara has that is worth a damn? Since you are saying Sasuke's ability to combat it spelled doom for Deidara, as none of his other techniques are good.

Because he really is. He can't beat any of the first four Hokage, he couldn't defeat Onoki if he was younger, I doubt he could be Muu or the 3rd Kazekage. The fourth Kazekage is debatable. He is the strongest of the Kage in this age, when Kage's are at their weakest.

Whats Hashirama without his wood? Yes he have been a decent shinobi but would he have beaten madara without it?

Whats sasori without puppets?

Gaara without sand

Fourth kaze without gold sand

Third without iron sand...

Whats your point? It doesn't matter if those shinobi don't have taijutsu or genjutsu....The fact is they have something that can compete with other kages...and so does deidara... you just refuse to accept that

 

[Nilloc Uzumaki]

Not if all those forementioned were busy running for their lives while the dragon bombed them, while deidara makes C4 while flying on one of his birds which avoid any long range attack that is used while being pressured by the dragon.

I could easily counter this scenario with everyone above, but I don't feel like wasting my time on someone who doesn't care regardless.

Having ONE technique that is worth anything doesn't constitute being Kage level. I guess that makes Kankuro Kage Level because he has a technique that can kill someone.

 

[Nilloc Uzumaki]

Whats Hashirama without his wood? Yes he have been a decent shinobi but would he have beaten madara without it?

Whats sasori without puppets?

Gaara without sand

Fourth kaze without gold sand

Third without iron sand...

Whats your point? It doesn't matter if those shinobi don't have taijutsu or genjutsu....The fact is they have something that can compete with other kages...and so does deidara... you just refuse to accept that

Hashirama had genjutsu, water release, earth release, etc. Deidara would not have been a decent shinobi without C4.

Pathetic, like Deidara without C4

He already sucked regardless.

Who knows, never saw him in action.

 

[lanakau888]

I could easily counter this scenario with everyone above, but I don't feel like wasting my time on someone who doesn't care regardless.

Having ONE technique that is worth anything doesn't constitute being Kage level. I guess that makes Kankuro Kage Level because he has a technique that can kill someone.

I would love to see how you would counter that scenario.

Hashirama had genjutsu, water release, earth release, etc. Deidara would not have been a decent shinobi without C4.

Pathetic, like Deidara without C4

He already sucked regardless.

Who knows, never saw him in action.

Deidara defeated gaara without C4. Kisame the guy you call "low kage lvl" even says that deidara is strong.
and I'm done debating with you.

You use A>B>C logic

You ignore feats and base arguments strictly by your personal opinion.
You think hashirama, Minato, or hiruzen > Rinnegan Tobi w/ six unkillable paths and gedo mazo.
You think that minato's base speed = V2 A's speed
You put orochimaru and jiraiya in your top ten but don't include naruto or sasuke
You think Kakashi > MS Sasuke

believing one of those crazy statements might be understandable, but believing all of them and then all the stuff that you've been spilling today on this thread means that there is really a big flaw in your logic, or the way that you interpret the manga is completely different from the understandable mainstream.


Oh and last but not least:

You think Sage Naruto > Pain. Nuff said.

 

[tariqkags]

He is at Kage level

 

[Owarij]

I could easily counter this scenario with everyone above, but I don't feel like wasting my time on someone who doesn't care regardless.

Having ONE technique that is worth anything doesn't constitute being Kage level. I guess that makes Kankuro Kage Level because he has a technique that can kill someone.

Jesus christ, despite all everyone has said, you still don't understand that it isn't about having a technique that CAN kill someone......Its about the deadliness of that technique..How avoidable it is etc.....Things like chibaku tensei are beyond kage level, because almost noone can get out there selves...Same with deidaras c4.....You're clearly being purposefully ignorant and using abc logic despite being told about it