Why isn't Kakashi S-class ninja?

[Nilloc Uzumaki]

Yea the thread was ... the entire akatsuki vs 5 hokages, why don't you put that in your sig?, they will wipe them out pretty easily..... considering they have rinnegan tobi + gedo mazo , Nagato , Itachi , Deidara( and the c4 bombs the can't see) Kisame , kakuzu etc etc......

You definitely were not referring to that, you were saying in general.

 

[lanakau888]

There is oxygen stored inside closed objects. For example, when a coffin is buried underground, the person has up to 6 hours of oxygen supply inside.

What is your logic? That Deidara has one attack that can kill anyone. AS DOES ALMOST EVERY OTHER EFFING JOUNIN IN THE DAMN SERIES. God, you guys really are retarded. Give me one way Deidara wins other than C4? Don't worry, I'll wait...

tell me the so called attacks that every jounin in the series has that can kill anyone?

 

[Nilloc Uzumaki]

Ive already explained that my definition of kage level is someone who has the ability to beat a kage and diedora has done it already. Even now the only kage deidora might lose to is A, because his raition armour would automatically neutralise c4 and even that, he is a nintaijutsu specialist whilst deidora is a long range fighter, im not sure how he can get to him.

Anyway apart from A, other kage's cannot survive c4.

Also we dont know whether minato and kushina were together before he became hokage therefore we cannot say he was skilled in fuinjutsu because its kushina who taught him.

Konohamaru could technically kill a Kage with Rasengan. You have to have a well rounded skill set to be considered Kage. I can argue that Mei could beat anyone with her corrosive mist technique. Who can avoid that? See,just because someone has a technique that most people can't counter doesn't make them undefeatable.

They got together shortly after he rescued her, when they were still students.

 

[Owarij]

You definitely were not referring to that, you were saying in general.

I was referring to the thread..i was posting in that thread... wtf do you think i was referring too? inochoshika vs the kages?

 

[Baka Sennin]

Ive already explained that my definition of kage level is someone who has the ability to beat a kage and diedora has done it already. Even now the only kage deidora might lose to is A, because his raition armour would automatically neutralise c4 and even that, he is a nintaijutsu specialist whilst deidora is a long range fighter, im not sure how he can get to him.

Anyway apart from A, other kage's cannot survive c4.

Also we dont know whether minato and kushina were together before he became hokage therefore we cannot say he was skilled in fuinjutsu because its kushina who taught him.

how can deidara survive lava or boil release? sand pyramid? or dust release? this is really a stupid way of arguing, there are plenty of one-hit kills in naruto. so basically we're supposed to believe that who whips out his best technique first wins the battle? you've got to be kidding me.

 

[White Fang18]

Yes he is, he is well known by most villages, and he himself made a name for himself over the years U_U

 

[lanakau888]

Konohamaru could technically kill a Kage with Rasengan. You have to have a well rounded skill set to be considered Kage. I can argue that Mei could beat anyone with her corrosive mist technique. Who can avoid that?

Anyone could techniqually kill a kage with a kunai, the problem is connecting the kunai to the kage's head.
The problem with all these attacks that can kill a kage are that they require the person using it to connect it with it opponent. With jutsus like rasengan and chidori, they are dodgeable.

Techniques like C4 are not since the an opponent without chakra sensing abilities won't know its even coming.
Chibaku tensei isn't dodgeable because KM naruto can't get out of it with his speed.

There are many techniques that have the "potential" to kill kages, but the techniques we are talking about seal the deal because they can't be avoided, or the kages don't have any LOGICAL way to deal with them.

 

[Owarij]

how can deidara survive lava or boil release? sand pyramid? or dust release? this is really a stupid way of arguing, there are plenty of one-hit kills in naruto. so basically we're supposed to believe that who whips out his best technique first wins the battle? you've got to be kidding me.

It's not a matter of if the technique is 1 hit killable... It's if the technique is dodgeable.... Is mei's lava release dodgeable? Yes...Is deidara's c4 nano dodgeable? yes but only if you have a doujutsu , and lightning release.. or both

The problem with all these attacks that can kill a kage are that they require the person using it to connect it with it opponent. With jutsus like rasengan and chidori, they are dodgeable.

Techniques like C4 are not since the an opponent without chakra sensing abilities won't know its even coming.
Chibaku tensei isn't dodgeable because KM naruto can't get out of it with his speed.

You beat me too it >.>

 

[Nilloc Uzumaki]

tell me the so called attacks that every jounin in the series has that can kill anyone?

Do I really have to list all the techniques that could kill people.

 

[Blaze Release]

how can deidara survive lava or boil release? sand pyramid? or dust release? this is really a stupid way of arguing, there are plenty of one-hit kills in naruto. so basically we're supposed to believe that who whips out his best technique first wins the battle? you've got to be kidding me.

I do understand what you mean. But what makes c4 lethal is the fact that you cannot see it with normal eyes therefore you cannot dodge it. With the other techniques you can atleast see it therefore youd be able to think of a way to avoid it.

Konohamaru could technically kill a Kage with Rasengan. You have to have a well rounded skill set to be considered Kage. I can argue that Mei could beat anyone with her corrosive mist technique. Who can avoid that? See,just because someone has a technique that most people can't counter doesn't make them undefeatable.

I dont think you truely understand how dangerous c4 is. Tobi even called it a frightening jutsu. Also the mist technique can easily be evaded by a katon jutsu (30% itachi clone vs kakashi)

 

[Nilloc Uzumaki]

how can deidara survive lava or boil release? sand pyramid? or dust release? this is really a stupid way of arguing, there are plenty of one-hit kills in naruto. so basically we're supposed to believe that who whips out his best technique first wins the battle? you've got to be kidding me.

PLUS EFFING REP, people are so damn retarded. Just because someone has a strong jutsu doesn't mean they can beat anyone.

 

[lanakau888]

how can deidara survive lava or boil release? sand pyramid? or dust release? this is really a stupid way of arguing, there are plenty of one-hit kills in naruto. so basically we're supposed to believe that who whips out his best technique first wins the battle? you've got to be kidding me.

the problem with all the techniques you've just mentioned is not that deidara can tank them, but that he can dodge them. No one without chakra sensing abilities will know about C4, which means they will have to tank it.

 

[opticsnm]

he most likly is in the bingo book all hokage rank shinobi are s rank

 

[lanakau888]

Do I really have to list all the techniques that could kill people.

List 10.

 

[Nilloc Uzumaki]

Anyone could techniqually kill a kage with a kunai, the problem is connecting the kunai to the kage's head.
The problem with all these attacks that can kill a kage are that they require the person using it to connect it with it opponent. With jutsus like rasengan and chidori, they are dodgeable.

Techniques like C4 are not since the an opponent without chakra sensing abilities won't know its even coming.
Chibaku tensei isn't dodgeable because KM naruto can't get out of it with his speed.

There are many techniques that have the "potential" to kill kages, but the techniques we are talking about seal the deal because they can't be avoided, or the kages don't have any LOGICAL way to deal with them.

Just like Deidara has no LOGICAL way of dealing with any of the Kage one on one. He has to get to the air to use C4 and guess what! A Kage isn't going to let that happen.

 

[Owarij]

Just like Deidara has no LOGICAL way of dealing with any of the Kage one on one. He has to get to the air to use C4 and guess what! A Kage isn't going to let that happen.

It takes deidara a few secs Of putting his hands together to make his c2 garuda... and even less time to make 1 of his smaller aerial birds to fly on...

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[Blaze Release]

Just like Deidara has no LOGICAL way of dealing with any of the Kage one on one. He has to get to the air to use C4 and guess what! A Kage isn't going to let that happen.

Gaara and onoki disagrees xd

 

[lanakau888]

Just like Deidara has no LOGICAL way of dealing with any of the Kage one on one. He has to get to the air to use C4 and guess what! A Kage isn't going to let that happen.

So you admit that once C4 is cast any kage without sensing abilities will be doomed?

And he is able to evade Gai's entire team without any arms. Is able to easily and quickly make clay birds, and can simultaneously make the dragon bomb the kage while he makes C4. He will pull C4 off.

 

[Nilloc Uzumaki]

List 10.

Wind Rasenshuriken
Shikamaru's shadow manipulation
Kakashi's Kamui
Kankuro's puppets
Darui's black lightning
Danzo's guard's body reversal tech
Pre-MS Sasuke Chidori
Konohomaru's Rasengan
Haku's 1000 water needles of death
Zabuza's Silent Killing/Hidden Mist combo

 

[Baka Sennin]

It's not a matter of if the technique is 1 hit killable... It's if the technique is dodgeable.... Is mei's lava release dodgeable? Yes...Is deidara's c4 nano dodgeable? yes but only if you have a doujutsu , and lightning release.. or both
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madara's meteor
c4
chibaku tensei
tsukuyomi
amaterasu
daytime tiger
kamui
kakuzu&hidan's combo (which was never survived before kakashi)
liger bomb
gaara's technique where you bury the opponent 200m underground and he's unable to move even a finger
orochimaru's possession technique


all these are 'unavoidable' one-hit kills/unavoidable match winners. all of them have been survived and beaten.

c4 can be survived simply by maintaing the same distance from the bomb that deidara is keeping from it (if no one manages to come up with that idea they're one stupid team). yeah, some techniques are less avoidable than others, but it's just a matter of degree. and how often do these techniques win the fights? people win fights with normal avoidable attacks as often as with huge ones. and often smarts have much more to do with getting the victory than the jutsu you use, esp with evenly matches/high level opponents