Why do supposed "fans" hate Naruto?

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you call naruto a shitty series?...comparing naruto to dragon ball is like comparing m.jordan to monta ellis...

dragon ball is one of the most trash plot induced series I have ever read....and I've read the GMG arc of fairy tail so I know what I'm typing about
You cant compare the two DBZ was never about the plot. Naruto was a great story up until the Kage summit leading into the war arc. DBZ was all about the fights and you can see NAruto fighting style became DBZish because Kishi couldn't remain consistent. Naruto now is just a knock off DBZ no matter how you look at it. Now this is also just my opinion but DBZ was released a long time ago so you also can't really compare plot induced mangas to battle manga like DBZ which was always about the action and came out a long ass time ago. That's the main reason why I say you cant compare a legend like DBZ to something like Naruto. Naruto wanted to be DBZ so bad it de-graded itself.

Not to mention DBZ anime shits on Naruto anime. DBZ games also shits and DBZ popularity also shits all over Naruto x10.
 
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Meh manga, overall. It had some great moments, but the bad aspects over-shined whatever naruto had in it. I won't even lie and say that I didn't enjoy it at one point(mainly part 1) but that doesn't mean that that opinion remained there.

Also even if you're not supporting a manga, you could still have an opinion. Don't make it sound as if money somehow makes a mere opinion more valuable than another.
 
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Meh manga, overall. It had some great moments, but the bad aspects over-shined whatever naruto had in it. I won't even lie and say that I didn't enjoy it at one point(mainly part 1) but that doesn't mean that that opinion remind there.

Also even if you're not supporting a manga, you could still have an opinion. Don't make it sound as if money somehow makes a mere opinion more valuable than another.
It's funny that people like to bring that aspect when they have nothing else to say. Look, even If I pay for naruto's manga (I do with VIZ atm), I still have the right to say whatever I want and how I feel about a manga/anime or whatever I'm wasting my time with. Paying for it or not has no value when it comes to writing, which kishimoto has failed through part 2 a lot due to a lot of inconsistencies. I will acknowledge that naruto, as a whole, is average at best but part 1 has a part within my heart due to childhood memories. Other than that, it's just an average manga. There's nothing that makes it shine compared to other mangas.
 

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Its not that people hate Naruto, they hate how the series is progressing now with the whole Boruto and Otsutsuki stuff so wish it would have ended on a high note instead of just beating a dead horse.

Take the TV series How I met your mother, the last few seasons were just a complete disaster with the final episode like a kick in the teeth.

A lot of fans were disappointed with the progression of the fourth war and the aftermath so wish they would stop dragging out the series and give it just one final absolute ending that is of high quality.
 

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It should have ended. The war was getting retarded to the point where TenTen receives the Sage weapons and nothing happened after that. Furthermore, Naruto and Sasuke get even more OP than before.

The filler wasn't that bad to me but most of them were more inconsistent than DBS. At least DB and DBZ had better filler.
 

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"Hate" is a strong word - you can see that many people constructively criticize the series, which is normal. Heck, I always criticize fictional works I really love, because I care, but I also give anything new a chance as well, milking or not. Though, I never approve of excess amounts of fan pandering - at least when it gets too obvious and overshadows any story potential.
 

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I don't mind it continuing, but I want it to end because the longer it goes the worse it gets.

I mean the final arc of Naruto was the biggest disappointment out of all the manga I've read. Then you have the two movies which were absolute garbage.

Gaiden was a waste of time.

Judging from the past, it's really not looking like a bright future. But considering Kishi isn't going to be writing Boruto, it might turn out to be really good.
 

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Well naruto is the only manga that makes my my wednesdays interesting, I have been watching it for 10years now, despite it being true that it got lil bad towards the end, I hate it when people constantly bashing and hating on it, if one does'nt want to watch it, its pretty easy, just STOP ALREADY!!!
 

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i agree on the basis that if a series that has acquired the kind of success Naruto has and its popularity is still pretty strong, it makes perfect sense to capitalize on it however way it's possible to do so. That's what anybody with good business sense what do.
 

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Honestly? Naruto was never anything spectacular in terms of plot and characters. Even back in Part 1 although, not to the same extent as Part 2. Naruto has always been a generic mainstream shonen manga. It's decent in Part 1, but nothing groundbreaking, although it slowly went downhill after the Chunin Exams arc. There's nothing in Naruto that isn't better executed in other manga series. Part 1 was only good because his first editor, Kosuke Yahagi, basically dictated the plot and thematics.

As to why Naruto fails plot-wisely, it's a pretty long-winded post, but I'll try my best to formulate myself:

Naruto lacks a grand struggle that give characters a purpose: In Attack on Titan, there's an imminent threat to humanity. In One Piece, there's a corrupt government to overthrow, people to be liberated. These grand struggles affect everyone, it makes it easier to include an ensemble cast into the overall plot, and the eventual triumph would be a meaningful closure for everyone, not just the protagonist alone.

Now, look at Naruto, where're the struggles? Seeking recognition is Naruto's personal goal. Apprehending Sasuke is Naruto's personal pursuit, it's none of anyone else's concern. Only when Konoha was assaulted, then the Konoha characters have a common purpose. That's why Kishimoto had troubles writing the Konoha 11 characters into the story, there's no persistent threat and evil that can catch all the characters' attention in the plot. Of course, not every series needs to be an epic about changing the world like Legend of the Galactic Heroes. Dragon Ball and Hunter x Hunter doesn't have a linear plot, they're composed of sagas. But the thing is, Naruto pretends to be an epic about war and peace, and it tries to pass off its asspull-esque mastermind food chain as a "linear plot". In reality, it's just a series composed of disjointed story arcs involving small groups of villains, short-term threats, and shallow personal pursuits.

Naruto's climax is disconnected with the build-up: For the majority of the series, the villains' backstories shed lights on the problems in the shinobi system, which made Naruto vow on his life to bring peace to the ninja world. These all felt like a build-up to a climax where the protagonist and other ninjas would confront a villain that is the manifestation of what's with the shinobi system and the protagonist would offer an answer, and the ninjas would come to realization that they need to change. But **** no, we got Kaguya who got nothing to do with the system whose objectives didn't make an iota sense.

The premise of the story is shallow and limiting in nature: The protagonist's goal is to get people to acknowledge him and become Hokage. To make this occur, Kishimoto did two things which would make up most of the plot in Naruto, and they're both restricting to plot development, character development and world building. First of all, putting Konoha in perils, so that Naruto could play the savior to the damsel in distress that was Konoha. Two of the biggest arcs are about Konoha being under attack, the Chunin Exams and Pain arc. There's another attack that didn't materialize: Sasuke.

Honestly? These save Konoha arcs got old pretty quick, and once Naruto got acknowledged in Pain arc, there's no room to expand the story. Also, since Naruto only wanted the citizens of Konoha to acknowledge him and become Hokage, there's little to no point in creating arcs that take the protagonist outside Konoha or give him a challenge that wouldn't earn him recognition. This very much limited possibilities in plot ideas.

If you look at One Piece and Hunter x Hunter, both of their retrospective protagonist's goals are searching for something or someone. This setup allows much more options for plot concepts, take One Piece for example, every island in midst of a journey is a different world, with different issues, with a whole new cast of characters that would interact with the Straw Hat Pirates. In Naruto's case, we just kept seeing Konoha characters keeping Konoha at bay, and exclaim some corny lines about protecting their homeland.

Second, making Sasuke leave Konoha, so that Naruto could chase him for acknowledgement. This is what Naruto did for the majority of the series, but it’s a personal pursuit that only matters to Naruto himself, not the ninja world on a grand scale.
Not just interm of story wise, character wise/or to be exact fighting situation/plot wise he never face any true struggle on his own where he being put in the most difficult situation in his life bar non. Yes not to say he never face any struggle when fighting someone, part 1 show he struggling but in shippuden its next to non. And his struggle just not that deep bcus after sometime he get plot covered and pill to refresh. Never a struggles that any serious fighter get, more toward drama.

Example when fighting Kaguya the most powerful being in NV, it turning out differently where we saw Kaguya struggle the most while Naruto just walk on her like nothing. Kishimoto is too afraid to put Naruto in the most dire situation where he was helpless with or without plot covered. I never saw that in other manga. We saw Goku the main character of DB struggle against many opponents Piccolo JR, Raditz(where he died in brutal fight), Freiza(Freiza toying with him for quite some time). Even we saw MC in Fairy Tail really struggle even though they are well known with Nakama power winning style.

Another thing I saw is, Naruto as a character/story wise never a retreat occurred. They managed to go forward in any situations like it was nothing. Plot was like a red carpet for them to walk through. It make the manga less interesting for me bcus I know nothing can be expect for opposition to force a good side to rethink about their strategy. Bad side will get beat on their strategy anyways by good side.

This is fighting manga for God sake and not political manga.

You have touched about story wise here.
 
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Most of them are just haters who follow it only for the sake of complaining about it. Just a bunch of ungrateful kids who have nothing better to do than shit on someone's creation.

Criticism doesn't equal hate tough, constructive criticism wich is always justified is always welcome.

People who hate Naruto and want it to end (wich is funny since it already did) are just attention whores who obviously have nothing better to do than ***** around online.
 

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You cant compare the two DBZ was never about the plot. Naruto was a great story up until the Kage summit leading into the war arc. DBZ was all about the fights and you can see NAruto fighting style became DBZish because Kishi couldn't remain consistent. Naruto now is just a knock off DBZ no matter how you look at it. Now this is also just my opinion but DBZ was released a long time ago so you also can't really compare plot induced mangas to battle manga like DBZ which was always about the action and came out a long ass time ago. That's the main reason why I say you cant compare a legend like DBZ to something like Naruto. Naruto wanted to be DBZ so bad it de-graded itself.

Not to mention DBZ anime shits on Naruto anime. DBZ games also shits and DBZ popularity also shits all over Naruto x10.
nothing in naruto reminded me of dragon ball z at all...for a fighting manga dragon ball was pretty much awful...in no way were the fights exciting at all...

dragon ball anime is alright (still has worse animation and fighting)...the only dragon ball game that I liked was budokai tenkaichi 3...
and dragon ball's popularity doesnt mean shit...fairy tail is more popular than the breaker and the breaker ****ING SHITS all over not only fairy tail but dragon ball z when it comes to fighting as a series
 

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nothing in naruto reminded me of dragon ball z at all...for a fighting manga dragon ball was pretty much awful...in no way were the fights exciting at all...

dragon ball anime is alright (still has worse animation and fighting)...the only dragon ball game that I liked was budokai tenkaichi 3...
and dragon ball's popularity doesnt mean shit...fairy tail is more popular than the breaker and the breaker ****ING SHITS all over not only fairy tail but dragon ball z when it comes to fighting as a series
Im only referring to ops statements about comparing dbz to naruto. Imo they cant. Dbz wasnt even made in the same generation as naruto and you cant deny the fightng in the end of naruto fell off.
 

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Im only referring to ops statements about comparing dbz to naruto. Imo they cant. Dbz wasnt even made in the same generation as naruto and you cant deny the fightng in the end of naruto fell off.
depends on what you call "falling off"...there is no right way to do a fight...it's either entertaining or it's not...

dont ever compare dragon ball to naruto...please God dont...dragon ball was a piece of shit series...but I will give it credit for being the first draft to superior mangas such as naruto and one piece and hunter x hunter as a fighting series and as a series overall
 

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depends on what you call "falling off"...there is no right way to do a fight...it's either entertaining or it's not...

dont ever compare dragon ball to naruto...please God dont...dragon ball was a piece of shit series...but I will give it credit for being the first draft to superior mangas such as naruto and one piece and hunter x hunter as a fighting series and as a series overall
*The hate is strong with this one*Yoda
 

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depends on what you call "falling off"...there is no right way to do a fight...it's either entertaining or it's not...

dont ever compare dragon ball to naruto...please God dont...dragon ball was a piece of shit series...but I will give it credit for being the first draft to superior mangas such as naruto and one piece and hunter x hunter as a fighting series and as a series overall
Naruto should stuck have to its roots more in terms of fighting and no one ever read dbz for the plot. I cant say the same for naruto. Thats all that really needs to be said the rest id opinion based
 

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Naruto should stuck have to its roots more in terms of fighting and no one ever read dbz for the plot. I cant say the same for naruto. Thats all that really needs to be said the rest id opinion based
did you miss naruto vs gaara in part 1?...lolololol but you are right it's opinion based...I could say the same for dragon ball in terms of fighting...if you excuse dragon ball for having shitty ass retarded planet buster fighting then you excuse naruto since naruto's biggest fights come no where close to dragon ball's in terms of scale
 

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did you miss naruto vs gaara in part 1?...lolololol but you are right it's opinion based...I could say the same for dragon ball in terms of fighting...if you excuse dragon ball for having shitty ass retarded planet buster fighting then you excuse naruto since naruto's biggest fights come no where close to dragon ball's in terms of scale
Part 1 DB or Original DB series doesnt have Planet busting fights and there is where DB is the most enjoyable to read.

I like World Martial Arts tournament.
 

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did you miss naruto vs gaara in part 1?...lolololol but you are right it's opinion based...I could say the same for dragon ball in terms of fighting...if you excuse dragon ball for having shitty ass retarded planet buster fighting then you excuse naruto since naruto's biggest fights come no where close to dragon ball's in terms of scale
Scale has less to do with it but content. P1 and some of p2 had sone genius fights. Like neji vs kido. Sasuke vs diedara, the bell test,sakura vs sasori. But it fell off and became about whose more powerful like dbz. So no i cant excuse naruto because it changed to something lesss like the series i recognized. Nothing wrong with enjoying it tho but dont expect everyone to feel the same. Dont compare it to dbz when even in dragonball master roshi blew up the moon
 
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