In general, their powerups are actually equal from the start of the series till the point where Sasuke summed up Bijuu's chakra. Each power Naruto/Sasuke has is matched with what Sasuke/Naruto has. It's an undeniable fact if you count them all from the beginning. The only difference is the last fight in which Kishimoto portrayed Naruto slightly superior as he did with Hashirama.
Naruto
Trained for Kage bunshins
trained for rasengan
trained for summoning jutsu
Trained during the time skip
Trained for the rasenshuriken
trained for sage mode
beat Kurama with the help of his mother and a bit of help with Bee
by gaining the trust of kirama for his hardworks and determination, he gained BM
Gained the trust of the bijuus by freeing them
Having his hard works coming to fruition, he gained the power of Ashura from the Sage
Sasuke
Had emotional breakdown to awaken his sharingan
trined for chidori
trained to reach Lee's speed
Was bitten in the neck for curse mark
Took a pill for curse mark v2
Trained during the time skip
Awakened ms after he heard the truth about itachi
masked tobi to give him Itachi's eyes
received Kurama's chakra
received the rinnegan from sage of six paths
Yes. Sasuke's Genjutsu is pathetic when compared to Itachi (Key word is Itachi). Itachi could manupialte space and time with Tsukuyomi, Sauske's genjutsu feats lack in comparison. He was never actually talented in that category, which was proved in his fights when he used Genjutsu for simple things. Rather than Itachi who takes down his opponents with Genjutsu alone.
Lol your debating tactics are pathetic and easy to see through
For instance u twist things to accomplish your point
Case indeed you said lack of skill... you didn't compare it to itachi initially
By comparing it to itachi then the entire nv has a lack of skill... so with that said are you wanking itachi? Because the 2nd mizu and shisui are genjutsu specialist but can't control time so they lack skill based on your logic..
Next is genjutsu never killed anyone period
Genjutsu followed by a stab cut or other means will kill not simply putting someone in genjutsu
Also you compared sasukes test Genjutsu to itachis best lol
Tobi clearly stated sasuke did it to see if it would work which even danzo admits
If he had a lack of skill it wouldn't work nor would he use it
Name someone other than itachi with more feats or better feats
It's a lose lose for you because any one u name just proves that they're skilled aswell
Because he did. 8.5 versus 0.5 as far as Bijuus are concerned is a stand-alone statement which justifies it. Even though they're generally equal, Sasuke needed to generate a lot more power to match Naruto who was on defensive, had less power in quantity and had already been a lot more active in the war.
Naruto went super saiyan 1(chakra mode), then super saiyan 2(Tailed beast mode), then super saiyan 3(tailed beast sage mode), then finally super saiyan 4 (six paths sage mode).
Somehow Super saiyan 3(tailed beast sage mode) is equal to Sasuke's EMS! Y'all folks wilding.
Naruto went super saiyan 1(chakra mode), then super saiyan 2(Tailed beast mode), then super saiyan 3(tailed beast sage mode), then finally super saiyan 4 (six paths sage mode).
Somehow Super saiyan 3(tailed beast sage mode) is equal to Sasuke's EMS! Y'all folks wilding.
did you read my previous post about both of their power ups? Do you agree, or no? I'm guessing you don't. I suggest that you take off your fapping goggles and read it again, because you can't prove it wrong.
the post that I'm talking about I'm 'bout to shut this thread down
Naruto Trained for Kage bunshins trained for rasengan trained for summoning jutsu Trained during the time skip Trained for the rasenshuriken trained for sage mode beat Kurama with the help of his mother and a bit of help with Bee by gaining the trust of kirama for his hardworks and determination, he gained BM Gained the trust of the bijuus by freeing them Having his hard works coming to fruition, he gained the power of Ashura from the Sage
Sasuke Had emotional breakdown to awaken his sharingan trined for chidori trained to reach Lee's speed Was bitten in the neck for curse mark Took a pill for curse mark v2 Trained during the time skip Awakened ms after he heard the truth about itachi masked tobi to give him Itachi's eyes received Kurama's chakra received the rinnegan from sage of six paths
Naruto went super saiyan 1(chakra mode), then super saiyan 2(Tailed beast mode), then super saiyan 3(tailed beast sage mode), then finally super saiyan 4 (six paths sage mode).
Somehow Super saiyan 3(tailed beast sage mode) is equal to Sasuke's EMS! Y'all folks wilding.
You have a point up to biju mode, but tailed sage mode is just applying powers together. It's like saying that Sasuke got a power up by using enton simultaneously with susanoo. Using what you already have in a better way is not a power up.
What does the sharingan do?
Did sasuke not see the techniques being used?
Oh wait do you know what babies are? Do you know what babies do? I'll tell you.... they analyze and mimic. Why is this important?
Because they recognize that they have the same ability/function that they're older counter parts have and the try to mimic it.
You wave to a baby they see it and TRY it. Case in point
Kayuga and madara absorbed sasuke's attack madara is of the same blood as sasuke kayuga is his ancestor he has the same eye as her. Now if sasuke is the baby in this situation what is sasuke gonna do? Given the abilities that the sharingan and rinnegan give him?
Hopefully you can understand and not troll what I'm clearly stating
So basically everything off panel has no training?
Lee doesn't train anymore because we don't see it
Sasuke didn't train with kakashi for the exam because we didn't see it
Better yet Naruto didn't train to go in sage mode without clones sending NE because we didn't see it
Oh sakura didn't save up chakra for three years because we didn't see it...
I hope u see the flaws of your argument
I throw a ball u see me do it you have working arms and you throw it back does that automatically make u Andrew luck? No u just tried and succeeded in throwing a ball. Fact.
You have a point up to biju mode, but tailed sage mode is just applying powers together. It's like saying that Sasuke got a power up by using enton simultaneously with susanoo. Using what you already have in a better way is not a power up.
Anything that stabilize you to do more damage without having to refuse your chakra is sort of a power up.
PS susanoo from regular susanoo is not a power up because, Sasuke just simply put out more chakra to create susanoo. When sasuke used all them beasts to create lightning susanoo is a power up because he used another source of chakra to increase his own.
Naruto fused his sage mode with his tailed mode, then stabilize it. That's a power up
did you read my previous post about both of their power ups? Do you agree, or no? I'm guessing you don't. I suggest that you take off your fapping goggles and read it again, because you can't prove it wrong.
the post that I'm talking about I'm 'bout to shut this thread down
Naruto Trained for Kage bunshins trained for rasengan trained for summoning jutsu Trained during the time skip Trained for the rasenshuriken trained for sage mode beat Kurama with the help of his mother and a bit of help with Bee by gaining the trust of kirama for his hardworks and determination, he gained BM Gained the trust of the bijuus by freeing them Having his hard works coming to fruition, he gained the power of Ashura from the Sage
Sasuke Had emotional breakdown to awaken his sharingan trined for chidori trained to reach Lee's speed Was bitten in the neck for curse mark Took a pill for curse mark v2 Trained during the time skip Awakened ms after he heard the truth about itachi masked tobi to give him Itachi's eyes received Kurama's chakra received the rinnegan from sage of six paths
**** your other post this has nothing to do with that.
u fapped saying he didn't do more training because the main character is the only one with screen time dedicated to training but the author put in his databook sasuke's hobby is training
I careless about power ups I'm not gonna sit here and bash Naruto because the plot calls for him to get stronger in a short amount of time
Fact is the Uchiha are the only characters with true repercussions when the become stronger. Blindess pain in every cell eye strain.
The fact that you have to implant someone else's eyes to get ems is a obstacle in itself let alone awakening a rinnegan
**** your other post this has nothing to do with that.
u fapped saying he didn't do more training because the main character is the only one with screen time dedicated to training but the author put in his databook sasuke's hobby is training
I careless about power ups I'm not gonna sit here and bash Naruto because the plot calls for him to get stronger in a short amount of time
Fact is the Uchiha are the only characters with true repercussions when the become stronger. Blindess pain in every cell eye strain.
The fact that you have to implant someone else's eyes to get ems is a obstacle in itself let alone awakening a rinnegan
Lol the shut the **** up. It has nothing to do with you
You still deny that kishi has shown Sasuke train before, yet he didn't when it came to MS or EMS.
And I see. You're one of those that blame everything on plot. Lol
This bullshit is funny on so many levels Lol
sit down little man
Exactly. He transferred the eye technique onto Sasuke
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Sasuke never showed any ability of using Amaterasu before Itachi, because the minute he unlocked it, Itachi passed down his abilities. Whether or not he could of used it by himself, was already proven by Madara when he had not shown any versaility in his MS Sharingan. Itachi aside from Sasuke, is the only person in the entire manga to have actually awakened MS and gain all the three abilities canonincally by himself.
Sorry, but the keyword in your discussion is speculation. U_U
It's like you completely ignored the facts
1) Itachi ms pattern only appeared that one time
2) itachi seal was a one time trap stated by tobi when talking to zetsu
3) why hasn't it been used EVERY TIME HE SEES OBITOS EYE
4) y doesn't sasuke have itachis susanoo
EMS is not really a bigger power-up. it just simply remove the weakness of MS and allow a larger special chakra supply. Basically made MS feel natural to his body. So that is not equal to KCSM or BSM mode at all.
In face Sage mode is equal to EMS. Sage mode increase all type of user's abilities. EMS do not increase the user's speed or strength or grand sensing ability.
So really It is truly amazing for Sasuke and Madara to keep up with Naruto and the 1st hokage's sage mode speed and strength.
Fail. EMS literally combines the visual prowess/power of two people. Sasuke: "I can feel itachi's power" Madara: "My brother only left me his eyes and their power"
Because he did. 8.5 versus 0.5 as far as Bijuus are concerned is a stand-alone statement which justifies it. Even though they're generally equal, Sasuke needed to generate a lot more power to match Naruto who was on defensive, had less power in quantity and had already been a lot more active in the war.
Yang kyubi fighting through the entire war as well as the tailed beasts. Followed jyubee hosts using there powers and finally mass spamming by kaguya. The tailed beasts were pretty much done.they probably has minute chakra left where as naruto still has his yin kyubi and tailed beasts chakra + six path sen jutsu. So sasuke used a ration infused by drained tailed beasts insignificant chakra left while fusing there remaining g power and naruto used sof6p beast all Rasen shrike s to counter. Type advantage + many fold amplification and all he could do was manage a draw. Kishi saved nar do all the arrow needed was an en ton tip and naruto would rest I pieces.
you must be a dumbass. it has already been revealed what itachi passed on to sasuke and that was a one time amaterasu fail safe which was used on obito. proof is sasukes eye pattern taking the shape of itachi when it was used.
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sasuke awakened his own MS with a different pattern and with it came his own MS jutsus. someone already posted a scan of itachi being surprised at sasuke getting soosano. it would not be so if he gave it to him clown.
-says itachi gave sasuke all his MS jutsus despite sasuke and itachis soosano looking nothing alike. sasukes upper stages has a bow and arrow, itachi doesnt have that. that is sasukes soosano version meaning its what he unlocked himself. if itachi gave him soosano dont you think it would bare some resemblance to his own? use your freaking brain.
=lndra;18564190]Except Madara Uchiha who is stronger than Sasuke and achieved MS and EMS never showed any innate ability to have Tsukuyomi, Amateraus, nor Kagutsuchi. Just Susano'o. Meaning it was given to Sauske, frOM Itachi. Manga facts, or nah?
so because madara never showed any MS like ama or kagutsuchi, that means sasukes was given to him? what a a logic. madara is also stronger than itachi so going by your logic itachi was also given his own as well. huge fail. itachi doesnt even have kagutsuchi so how da hell could he have given sasuke. ever stopped to think that because they are brothers with the same blood could explain why they both have similar jutsus? fact is sasuke awakened his own ms pattern different from the rest.
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with it came his amatearsu, his soosano version different from the rest(he is the only one who shoots an arrow) and kagusutchi which itachi does not have.
are you dumb? no shit he didnt show amaterasu before itachi becase he didnt have MS until after itachi so how can he show amaterasu?. fail, when itachi passed down amaterasu, sasuke hadent yet unlocked his MS, what you saw was itachi ms. check up for the scan of sasukes own MS which was way after itachis death.
Whether or not he could of used it by himself, was already proven by Madara when he had not shown any versaility in his MS Sharingan. Itachi aside from Sasuke, is the only person in the entire manga to have actually awakened MS and gain all the three abilities canonincally by himself.
your logic is piss poor. shisui is the only one to have KA, madara didnt so i guess it was given to him? madara could have simply had different abilities.
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