Just beating a sweet commander doesn't mean that, if as Riker said that commander isn't equal to Cracker. Urogue would have to have beaten Cracker for anyone to say that definitively. Although Cracker is kind of a bad match up for Urogue who gets stronger with damage, kind of like the Hulk, so a strong fighter with tough armor and haki would only fuel Urogue's strength until it was at a point that it would break the armor.Then I will ask you simply is Urouge stronger then luffy ? You say luffy couldn't defeat cracker one on one without Nami a sweet commander with an army he can create at wil and Urouge already defeated a sweet commander so by definition Urouge is stronger because like you guys have already stated luffy hasn't defeated a commander level fighter yet but Urouge already has so please once you answer that I will finally understand????