That proves nothing of course gear 4 takes up a lot of calories so did gear 2 when first introduced that's not what leaves luffy in a depleted state over using gear 4 which directly over uses his Haki which leaves him unable to move. When luffy over used gear 4 against doffy he didn't eat anything he just had to wait a certain amount of time for his Haki to return. Nami's role was also prolonging a battle of stamina she never attacked cracker it was a one on one fight cracker understood that the drawn out battle was taking a toll on him and needed to end the fight immediately ending in his down fall. Before we even knew about the sweet commander one was already defeated by urouge so to say luffy couldn't defeat cracker a fellow sweet commander 1 v 1 is kind of ignorant this deep into the story with the feats we've seen from luffy.
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And what do you think his fuel source for Haki is? Stamina. Calories. Luffy explicitly said Gear Fourth drains his physical stamina and calories. There's no arguing it.
Lol you can't be serious calories is the driving force for Haki hilarious and when did luffy get a chance to eat something when gear 4 reached its limits against doffy yup that's right he didn't eat anything he was being carried around by Gatz and after 10 minutes his Haki returned no food or calories necessary so your theory is out of the window bud. That was easily argued lol
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I dunno. It doesn't really matter either. Luffy said Gear Fourth drains his stamina and calories, so that's that. It's not a theory, it's what Luffy explicitly said.
But all activities drain stamina and or calories some more then others when luffy had his fight with zoro in Alabasta luffy went from fat to regular sized luffy in a matter of moments his fight with zoro burned a lot of calories and that was before that fight hit its stride. That's like me saying luffy went to sleep in the last chapter so he could refill his gear 4 which is stupid because food and rest is required for energy. what's next oxygen is a vital part to luffy's Haki all of this is a bit redundant if you ask me
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Luffy never said that how gear 4 works he just said it burn through a lot of stamina that's a Side effect not how it works. Soru works by the user first kicking the ground 10 times really fast, gear 2 is luffy pumping oxygen into his body through a process of doping. Gear 4 hasn't been explained yet so you can drop all of that foolishness
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Disproved? lmao dude that's how Luffy says it works. Gear 4th burns through his stamina, which causes a depletion of calories cause they are linked. Under normal circumstances(Doflamingo), when Gear 4th ends, he has to wait for his stamina and Haki to recharge after getting some rest.
However, if he has a continuous intake of calories, it will cause a boost in his stamina, circumventing the need to go through the recharge period. Luffy doesn't always need calories to recharge his stamina, he can recharge it by resting. But having a calorie intake is a shortcut past that resting. We saw it at Enies' Lobby when he said he was tired after fighting off marines, and proceeded to eat meat to regain his stamina. We saw it when he told Lucci he was hungry at Water 7, which is why he was defeated to so quickly. And we saw it again when he ate Sanji's Bento box and regained all of his strength.
Consuming calories are simply a shortcut, a shortcut he had available while fighting Cracker because of Nami's help. If he didn't eat the biscuits, he would have entered the recharge period. Had he went through the recharge period, he'd be able to get back up and use Gear Fourth again, and then enter another recharge period. The problem is is that Cracker would have killed him while he was recharging normally, so he had to find a shorcut around it(eating the biscuits for calories).
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That wasn't a mid diff fight. You're biggest claim in calling it mid diff is the time but it wasn't even a long fight in OP standards. It was shorter than Luffy's fight with Doffy and in a universe where people can fight for hours at a time up to days no matter how you try and split it Sabo/Burgess wasn't a time consuming fight. Sabo barely had to put any effort in and received no damage and faced no threat of damage. Like I said the only thing you could argue is how long it took Sabo to put Burgess down but it wasn't that long of a time frame for OP anyway.
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If it ain't a few hits, it ain't low-diff. Low-diff is what Lucci did to Zoro and Luffy at Water 7.
Luffy vs Doffy was extreme diff at just over 40-some minutes dude. Sabo vs Burgess was longer than 10 minutes.
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Yeah thinking same thing with sanji if this is marco above level char but also thinking the same thing for zoro and luffy as well well perhaps mid diff for luffy against Marco level char cuz he has gear 4th
If the dude is that strong I'm not seeing much the straw hat Capone alliance can do to top it off he can potentially see the picture being attacked in future :|
Hoping shanksnmay attend tea party lol
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Luffy Doffy wasn't extreme just because of the time. There was heavy damage on both sides and both sides had moments where defeat seemed possible and big moves and forms were used. 40 minutes isn't a long fight either knowing most big name fighters can go for days and Luffy's involvement at ID and MF and probably EL for that matter all were probably a few hour events.
Sabo Burgess however possessed none of that, there was only damage on one end and only one foreseeable winner. It may have been more than ten minutes so? I never said ten minutes I said it was a shorter time frame than Luffy Doffy.
Yes time impacts the difficulty measure of a fight but in a universe where fights can go hours, time is less of a factor on any fight less than an hour.
I couldn't disagree with you more oda has already stated we more then 60 percent done with the series and we are in the 4 yonko saga the next arc places them in a head to head war with the beast pirates once this arc ends we are one ship ride away from wano. If Luffy, and Sanji aren't already on the level of Marco already then the series might as well end now. The opponent they will face from this point forward will be yonko commander level and up. Everyone is highly underestimating the monster trio since the time skip luffy has defeated doflamingo and one sweet commander those aren't small feats. We haven't even gotten to see the results of zoro and sanji's training yet and their training was just as crazy as luffy's they are already on the level necessary to defeat katakuri both luffy and sanji. This will be sanji's fight though so can't wait to see how it plays out.
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U do realize that luffy has yet to defeat a commander level fighter on his own reguardless if he had last hit without nami cracker would not have gone down like that most likley
Same with doffy and luffy having law and those collosium fighters/viola
Doffy is one thing because doffy was a monster durability, speed, strength just a pure monster doffy in my opinion far surpassed cracker. Luffy vs cracker was a 1 v 1 it's not like luffy said Nami help me or Nami can you uses your rain to soften these crackers so I can eat. It's not like Nami's thought process was I gotta soften these things so luffy can eat. All luffy needed to do was hit cracker once that situation could have been created without Nami he only needed one hit. You do understand that by that logic Urouge is stronger then luffy and probably the strongest supernova which I highly doubt if urouge can do it I'll definitely bet my money on luffy and or sanji.
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That's exactly what happened. Nami needed to wet the biscuits for Luffy. It was Luffy and Nami vs Cracker. C'mon son, stop the wank.
Then I will ask you simply is Urouge stronger then luffy ? You say luffy couldn't defeat cracker one on one without Nami a sweet commander with an army he can create at wil and Urouge already defeated a sweet commander so by definition Urouge is stronger because like you guys have already stated luffy hasn't defeated a commander level fighter yet but Urouge already has so please once you answer that I will finally understand????
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We can't say for sure whether or not he is. Urouge defeated a Commander, but how we do know that that Commander was stronger than Cracker, or equally as strong as Cracker? If the Commander is equal to or greater than Cracker, then yeah, Urouge is stronger. It's not like he can't be.