Who was the worst/biggest failure of a hokage?

[mknordan]

Most definitely Tobirama. His hatred and bias of the Uchiha, and setting them apart from the rest of society, set the Village up for the slaughter during the Third Hokage's reign, for which made him almost as bad a failure as Tobirama, being the only hokage to allow a mass slaughter of Leaf citizens in the history of the Village. Forget the War. Forget Madara and everything outside the Village of Konoha. These two men set up and allowed the slaughter of their OWN people, which, according to kakashi, makes you worse than scum. These two men are the worst Hokage in the history of Konoha. At least Tsunade, Minato, and Hashirama protected the villagers of Konoha with the very LIVES, at ALL times. Shame on you, tobirama and hiruzen.

 

[Schɛrzσ]

The hate towards a certain busty lady is too much on this one...
OT: none of them really... and threads like this are dumb.

 

[Eishi]

First, I must say all the hokages have their own failures, no one is the best Hokage, but worst, it's Hashirama

 

[Naruto D Luffy]

Tsunade and Hiruzen.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Hashirama. I could make a convincing argument that he is the rout of all evil in Naruto, but i'm terrible at making convincing arguments.

 

[Dantе]

Tsunade. She didn't do anything worthy to be called Hokage.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Putting aside the fact I don't like Minato, Hiruzen probably had the worst impact. His reign was the worst and although he was a kind man himself and died protecting the village, with all of Konoha's issues coming from his reign (Ninja wars, Danzo, Orochimaru, Sasuke)...yeah. It's pretty obvious.

Hashirama is lame but did a lot for the ninja world, Minato and Tobirama did average jobs of keeping the peace and Tsunade is the bravest by far.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Definitely Tobirama, his intentions may have been pure but he's still no better than Danzo.

 

[SIX PATHZ]

cnt decide... stuck middle with tobirama and hiruzen

 

[Supermanr]

tsunade, she cannot do anything

 

[Xāvî1]

Its tsunade for me

 

[sharingansennin]

Tbh, Tobirama kind of left things in a bad spot for the other Hokage.

a good Tobirama fan, not a fanboy like Penguin

And pick HIruzen as worst, he let so much shit slide and it cost him the Uchiha Clan, Let Danzo Live, Let Orochimaru become a monster, etc.

 

[shelke]

I made this post in another thread on Danzo, but it covers the Hokages as well:

Danzo’s involvement in Uchiha massacre is a given. His root division had its own ethos in regards to how to eliminate emotions to promote absolute obedience for Root’ cause. This is supported by Manga scans during Sai and Kabuto chapters as to how he gathered orphans, brain-washed them and then had them vie them against each other in a battle to the death a la Hidden Mist Village:

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Danzo disposing off Ninjas, who worked for Leaf’s benefits. These were innocent people. One of them even ran an orphanage – he basically pitted people against each other through brain washing:

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Kabuto’s story would coincide with Sai’s story from way back as to how children’s were used as tools:

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Using Children who have had lost their parents in war, and then, eliminating them once they served their purpose. Thus he followed Mist’s tradition as well:

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This shows Danzo’s arduous endeavours to create soldiers for Roots’ cause without ousting him out. But it doesn’t end here. Danzo allied with Orochimaru more than once, as proven by the facts that his arm and body were modified and the fact that he leaked Anbu’s details before Orochimaru in hopes of eliminating Sasuke as he would probably end up laying bare the facts of his treasonous acts – as he desired to take control over the nine-tails:

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- Sai handing over Anbu Members list from Danzo to Orochimaru.

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- Orochimaru had been working with Danzo.

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- Planned on controlling the nine-tails.

Even at the Kage summit, when he learned that Sasuke had infiltrated the complex, Fuu immediately suggested for the Sharingan to be retrieved:


This isn’t all that surprising, as not only did Hizuren allied with Orochimaru and Obito, he also carried out espionage hits of other Village’s Shinobi’s who merely held a hard-stance against Konoha’s politics:

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- Fuu Proposes to get the Sharingan.

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- Yamato checking the files of Ninjas killed by Sai on Roots Hit-List.

All of this is quite strange, given that he was under Hizuren’s rule and not his companion in rule. This can be backed by how Tsunade limited Danzo’s and Elders involvement in her decisions severelly, cementing the argument that the Hokahe has power over the sub-ruling party, which in this case would be elders and Danzo:

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Tsunade utilized her position, limiting the hold of the elders:

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Now, combining all of this, it’s safe to assume that Danzo was given a political immunity by Hizuren to carry out the terrorist activates against Villages’ Ninjas, and conduct such heinous method of recruitment, which, even Sasori knew about – it would be laughably hard to ignore that Hizuren wouldn’t.
After the masscare of Uchiha Clan, even the innocent men, women, and Children, Danzo should have been brought to justice, yet he wasn’t even tried for crimes against the elderly and children. This doesn’t absolve him of the crime against the clan, it drops its entire weight on him. It was his immunity and lee-way to Hizuren to carry out such outrageous Root activities that prompted Danzo to carry out his treacherous and treasonous activates as well.

Let’s not forget the lobby. Hizuren, the elders, Danzo, were all a part of the Squad with Tobirama who was – as is a known fact at this point – a paranoid man that did all that he could to prevent Uchihas’ entry into the political establishment. He created a system that eliminated the voting scenario and decided on a dual rule that either the Hokage can directly appoint the next Hokage or the council will decide.

Now the interesting fact is, the council did not have a single Uchiha Clan member, which meant that no Uchiha could ever appoint one of their own as the leader of the Village. His disgusting bias and paranoia is lucid from the facts that Kagami was one of the members of his squad and yet, Hizuren was appointed, who obviously followed his ideals down to the teeth, as he never stopped the surveillance on Uchihas and Danzo only mounted the tensions.
An important question arises now: Why didn’t Hizuren and Minato stop the surveillance? Why didn’t the former opt for granting Uchihas political seats within the Jounin Council which were largely filled by Yamanaka, Nara, and Chouji’s father’s clan – Sorry, the name has slipped my mind? The fact that Fuu, a Yamanaka was actively involved in Root, showed that Root division had many members from such clans that already resided several seats within the Jounin council.

To elude all this and then declare that why the Uchiha Clan chose the coup is ludicrous and ridiculous as Madara’s warning about Senju sympathizers cornering them and then eliminating their Clan seemed all too real for the severely cornered Clan with no political immunity – a fact that is itself expounded when they were not offered a diplomatic leverage within the Village’s political system and all the lobby at top chose to eliminate the Clan in its stead.
At this point in time, fearing their own survival and watching Tobirama’s best laid plans come to fruition, The Uchiha Clan had no choice but to opt for Coup – a counter used by many Nations in real life when their Rights are usurped by the Ruling Lobby. It’s a form of retaliation and Revolution – Just, especially within a Militia Set-up that rose to the top through Treason against its own people – a founding clan oust from its rightful place over Ethical Differences – and terrorist acts against others.

 

[Vega]

I have seen an interesting defense put forth for Tobirama.
It seems Hashi is out of the picture?
Just to be the devil's advocate, shouldn't Hashirama be the one to blame considering he was too soft (said by his own brother Tobirama) and he himself stated his problems were dragged onto the next generations?

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Sidenote: Madara thinks Hashirama is a failure too (what a shocker.)

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[Gold Lightning]

I have seen an interesting defense put forth for Tobirama.
It seems Hashi is out of the picture?
Just to be the devil's advocate, shouldn't Hashirama be the one to blame considering he was too soft (said by his own brother Tobirama) and he himself stated his problems were dragged onto the next generations?

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Sidenote: Madara thinks Hashirama is a failure too (what a shocker.)

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Tobirama was the Danzo to Hashirama's Hiruzen...

If that even makes sense.

 

[Mikasa Hagaromo]

Hiruzen all the way man. This ***** let Danzo do whatever he wanted and allowed Orochimaru escape. Most of what has taken place in the manga is due to his naivete and lack of resolve.

He thought himself to be this virtuous loving man while looking the other way as Danzo destroyed nations and committed genocide. This man doesn't care about peace and love. He only cares about the LEAF's peace and love. What about other villages? What about other ppl's peace?!

 

[Sarutobi Sensei]

I'd say Hiruzen IS both the BEST and the WORST hokage.

the BEST 'cause:
-ruled Konoha for 50+ years, we don't even know if any other hokage even made 5 years.
-most well-respected and most beloved by the general Konoha villagers compared to any others
-produced the Sannin who then produced the new Sannin
-truly a professor, he taught and made the entire Konoha shinobi to carry on Hashirama's Will of Fire for 50+ years
-thwarted Orochimaru's invasion of Konoha

the WORST 'cause:
-way too lenient like many of u said
-losing Konoha's strongest clan, the Uchiha's blood is partly on his hands (sharing the blame with Danzo, Obito & Itachi)
-allowed Danzo to operate from the shadows (as the soft-hearted guy he is, I can't see Hiruzen ever killing his childhood friend)
-hesitated and then allowed the mass murderer Orochimaru escape
-didn't have a great relationship with Asuma (my only problem with hiruzen)

 

[startup97]

I'd say Hiruzen IS both the BEST and the WORST hokage.

the BEST 'cause:
-ruled Konoha for 50+ years, we don't even know if any other hokage even made 5 years.
-most well-respected and most beloved by the general Konoha villagers compared to any others
-produced the Sannin who then produced the new Sannin
-truly a professor, he taught and made the entire Konoha shinobi to carry on Hashirama's Will of Fire for 50+ years
-thwarted Orochimaru's invasion of Konoha

the WORST 'cause:
-way too lenient like many of u said
-losing Konoha's strongest clan, the Uchiha's blood is partly on his hands (sharing the blame with Danzo, Obito & Itachi)
-allowed Danzo to operate from the shadows (as the soft-hearted guy he is, I can't see Hiruzen ever killing his childhood friend)
-hesitated and then allowed the mass murderer Orochimaru escape
-didn't have a great relationship with Asuma (my only problem with hiruzen)

This is because Tobirama made the Uchiha feel like crap.

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Asuma loves his Dad.

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[Vega]

Tobirama was the Danzo to Hashirama's Hiruzen...

If that even makes sense.

I think I get what you mean, Hashi was too soft like Hiruzen while Tobirama was controversial like Danzo's actions?

 

[Penguin]

It's kind of funny that people say Hiruzen was the best when he let Orochimaru learn Edo Tensei via not stopping him, and when he admitted his whole life as a Hokage was a failure. Same with Minato to a lesser extent on the last part. Tsunade really has not done anything too bad or good. Hashirama is the best with Tobirama being number two.

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