Who was the worst/biggest failure of a hokage?

[The Jaded Artiste]

I would have to say Tobirama since his biased views of the Uchiha kind of lead to this entire war and any Hokage after him didn't do a good job of cleaning up the mess he left behind to be honest.

I kind of see Sasuke's point of view when he stated his reasons for wanting to be the next Hokage.

The Hokage who maintained peace longest would probably be the best, so I'd say Hiruzen, but this isn't about the best.

 

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Tsunade
Hiruzen was the next worst hokage

 

[Conspirator.]

Hiruzen was the worst hokage in the history of the leaf. Tsunade is the 2nd worst as she's pretty weak for a kage. Tobirama was alright, but he created the edo tensei, which is a horrendous jutsu. Surely a man of his intellect would have known that people in the future would use such a jutsu for evil purposes.

 

[Vega]

Hiruzen was the worst hokage in the history of the leaf. Tsunade is the 2nd worst as she's pretty weak for a kage. Tobirama was alright, but he created the edo tensei, which is a horrendous jutsu. Surely a man of his intellect would have known that people in the future would use such a jutsu for evil purposes.

I see. Tsunade was indeed not upto the level of her grandfather.
Tobirama probably had some good reasons but idk

 

[Chie]

Hiruzen. He was a good-hearted man and I like him, but he was a total push-over. He's just not good as a leader. The Uchiha clan was stubborn and negotiations did fail, but still he should have tried harder. He also let Danzo do whatever he wanted for over 50 years.

Remember this:
Danzo: "And all the Uchiha will have to be exterminated"
Hiruzen: "Oh now Danzo! Don't say such things in front of Itachi."
What on earth is that supposed to mean????? So it's okay to say things like that when Itachi's absent???? If I were Hiruzen, I would have demoted Danzo on the spot and marched over to the Uchiha compound right then and demanded to speak to both Fugaku and Mikoto. I wouldn't leave until we reached a compromise. But he didn't do that. He waited until it was too late and then Shisui had to attempt to KA the clan because no negotiations would work, but then Hiruzen's precious advisor Danzo stopped the one chance they had at stopping the massacre. All because Hiruzen was afraid to be more assertive.

Note: No Hiruzen fans should take any offense to this. He was a good hokage overall, he could connect with the people well, and he was their favorite. But in extreme political situations, he didn't do too well. And I admit that it was also the Uchiha's fault, because they were so paranoid that they jumped to the worse case scenario and wanted to do a coup, instead of asking the old man for more political power. I doubt he would turn them down.

 

[Vega]

Hiruzen. He was a good-hearted man and I like him, but he was a total push-over. He's just not good as a leader. The Uchiha clan was stubborn and negotiations did fail, but still he should have tried harder. He also let Danzo do whatever he wanted for over 50 years.

Remember this:
Danzo: "And all the Uchiha will have to be exterminated"
Hiruzen: "Oh now Danzo! Don't say such things in front of Itachi."
What on earth is that supposed to mean????? So it's okay to say things like that when Itachi's absent???? If I were Hiruzen, I would have demoted Danzo on the spot and marched over to the Uchiha compound right then and demanded to speak to both Fugaku and Mikoto. I wouldn't leave until we reached a compromise. But he didn't do that. He waited until it was too late and then Shisui had to attempt to KA the clan because no negotiations would work, but then Hiruzen's precious advisor Danzo stopped the one chance they had at stopping the massacre. All because Hiruzen was afraid to be more assertive.

Note: No Hiruzen fans should take any offense to this. He was a good hokage overall, he could connect with the people well, and he was their favorite. But in extreme political situations, he didn't do too well. And I admit that it was also the Uchiha's fault, because they were so paranoid that they jumped to the worse case scenario and wanted to do a coup, instead of asking the old man for more political power. I doubt he would turn them down.

lol I liked the point you made regarding Danzo's comments in front of Itachi.

 

[startup97]

Tobirama.
Made the Uchiha feel like garbage and eventually made them plan the revolt.
Created Edo Tensei which has caused a lot of destruction. (4th Shinobi World War, Orochimaru's invasion)

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Come on guys. Be real. Hiruzen kept peace the longest out of all the Hokage. Over 40+ Years.

 

[Vega]

Tobirama.
Made the Uchiha feel like garbage and eventually made them plan the revolt.
Created Edo Tensei which has caused a lot of destruction. (4th Shinobi World War, Orochimaru's invasion)

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Come on guys. Be real. Hiruzen kept peace the longest out of all the Hokage. Over 40+ Years.

lol. Interesting point and manga scans you brought up. Hiruzen seems to be unpopular.

 

[startup97]

lol. Interesting point and manga scans you brought up. Hiruzen seems to be unpopular.

Had to edit it for the Uchiha part.

 

[Korowa]

Hashirama-didn't kill Madara when he had the chance, but he actually thought he did so he's not the worst.

Tobirama-not the worst. He actually set up the political system in the Leaf and other villages saw it as a great example and even copied it. He wasn't biased against the Uchiha, he actually cared about them. He gave them more power than any other clan had in Konoha through the Police Force, bar the Senju. He wanted to keep the balance of power in Konoha. The Uchiha were just babies about not having total political power and couldn't handle it. However, Oro said this was a mistake because he gave the Uchiha too much power which in turn caused the clan to become even more corrupt then it already was and just want more. He formed Edo Tensei to help the Senju side in war. He probably noticed all the dead bodies lying around and thought it would be useful to bring back powerful shinobi who had passed away in order to help them out.

Hiruzen- He kept Konoha in a state of peace for over 60 years. Yeah, the Uchiha massacre happened. But it is 70% the clan's fault and 30% Hiruzens. They refused to negotiate and their is a rule in every village that all traitors must be executed. One clan isn't standing a good chance against every other shinobi in the village and a war would start, because it would take a while for the Uchiha to lose, but they would still lose and then all of them would be executed. Fugaku would obviously know of this and he knew that he was leading his clan to its doom, but was too blinded by paranoia and greed to see that like the rest of his clan. They were done either way. I MEAN GIVE HIRUZEN SOME SLACK PEOPLE!!!! I don't see how any of the previous hokages would have done any better and the massacre was inevitable in order to prevent civil/world war.

Minato-gave his life up for the village and didn't stay hokage long enough to even affect it.

Tsunade-let the village get destroyed, but none of the other kage would have been able to stop that part either. They might have been able to fight Pain after he destroyed the village though. But she herself still saved lives and did the role she was best at: being a medical ninja.

In conclusion, none of them are bad. Because no human being in the Naruverse would be able to do any better than what they did.

 

[MinaButt]

Hiruzen for real. Way too damn lenient.

 

[TenthHokagexRamen]

tsuande. She let the village get completely recked and had to rely on naruto for saving. Don't even pull that " oh but she healed the villagers" in the end nagato revived them all anyway so whats the point.

 

[Penguin]

Ok...this is getting ridiculous. People are saying Tobirama is the worst? When it is a manga fact Hiruzen is the worst? Lol

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. Even though they represent a threat to the village,

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. Tobirama was the first one to react to Sasuke's

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to the village and would have risked his life for it.

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and I see no reason to why people think he would. He tried saving Sasuke on multiple occasions.

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admitting how they did not live up to their expectations and made mistakes. Hiruzen himself said his whole reign as Hokage was a mistake.

 

[MinaButt]

Ok...this is getting ridiculous. People are saying Tobirama is the worst? When it is a manga fact Hiruzen is the worst? Lol

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. Even though they represent a threat to the village,

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. Tobirama was the first one to react to Sasuke's

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to the village and would have risked his life for it.

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and I see no reason to why people think he would. He tried saving Sasuke on multiple occasions.

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admitting how they did not live up to their expectations and made mistakes. Hiruzen himself said his whole reign as Hokage was a mistake.

Well edo tensei did way more harm than good and he could have done better with the Uchiha. Nobody would want their family to be push to the corner of the village and surveillance especially since your family also helped to create the village. The only thing it did was create a rift between the Uchiha and Konoha up to the point where they wanted to create a coup. The channeling energy thing just sounded like an excuse to push them to the corner of the village. Not trying to hate or anything just saying~

 

[Penguin]

Well edo tensei did way more harm than good and he could have done better with the Uchiha. Nobody would want their family to be push to the corner of the village and surveillance especially since your family also helped to create the village. The only thing it did was create a rift between the Uchiha and Konoha up to the point where they wanted to create a coup. The channeling energy thing just sounded like an excuse to push them to the corner of the village. Not trying to hate or anything just saying~

Is it Tobirama's fault Hiruzen couldn't keep the forbidden scroll protected? Tobirama kept it protected his whole life, no one knew how to use it.

 

[Chie]

It's not a bad thing that the Uchiha were pushed to the edge of the village. Tobirama didn't intend to isolate the Uchiha, he just didn't want to give them total political power, because they are mentally unstable. Madara was proof of that. This clan is the clan that he fought w/ for over 20 years, six Uchiha grown man killed his two younger brothers who were 8 years of age at most, the manga itself states that they are possessed by evil the moment they lose something dear to them and Tobirama knew this. He was being logical about it. He actually tried to help them by giving them power. It is just stupid to say that it is bad that he isolated them. That is not something the Uchiha clan should have been angry about. Every police force is isolated, even in the real world. They accepted the role at the time, he never forced it on them. Then years later they decided they didn't like it. What was that all about??????? They had power and at the cost of it, they were not in the center of the village. The same in the real world. Other clans would have loved that, they had all the privacy they wanted until after the 9-tails attack, but people only suspected them because every single Uchiha bar Itachi was absent from Konoha and the battlefield. Who wouldn't suspect the Uchiha logically? They didn't attempt to refute the somewhat baseless claims. Why is it that people need to blame Tobirama for an incident that happened years after his death, over 60 years later in fact, but they cannot blame the hokage at the time Hiruzen or the Uchiha themselves?

And it's really hilarious when people say that Tobirama hated the Uchiha, when in reality he is the only character who has said anything positive about the clan itself. He said that they are a clan of love, which causes them in turn to hate. Every other character in the manga has stated that the clan was just downright corrupt, untrustworthy, disillusioned, etc.

 

[The Paradox]

Here are some highlights for each hokage's platform
Hashirama- Founded the actual village, stopped Madara when he wanted to attack the village.

Tobirama- Established the infrastructure of the village, setup many organizations like the Police Force and Chunnin Exams.

Hirzuen- Most loved hokage, longest reigning, longest peace, thwarted Orochimaru's ambitions to destroy the village.

Minato- Saved the village from the Nine Tailed Fox attack.

Tsunade- Healed villagers during Pein's invasion.

This sums it up!

 

[FleeOnSight]

I voted hiruzen but now that I think about it tobirama did leave him with a shit storm. It's hard to say cause hiruzen is beyond soft and allowed to much darkness within the village(danzo/orochimaru) any other hokage would've got rid of the problem immediately.

 

[Dannie]

tsuande. She let the village get completely recked and had to rely on naruto for saving. Don't even pull that " oh but she healed the villagers" in the end nagato revived them all anyway so whats the point.

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[Gunjan]

Tobirama !