Who said Hiruzen was the strongest???

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Re: Somebody Explain Why Hiruzen>Hashirama

lmao +rep for making me laght for the first time today xd

Reading that made my self laugh that is basically what they are saying. Are they not reading the same manga as me? are they not seeing what madara is doing and he is saying hashi is on his level?

 

[Ryuu..]

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I feel you on that about Hiruzen, I don't doubt that Hiruzen was a beast for sure but as a story writer it just doesn't make sense in this story in particular. Why would a writer display a powerful character (Madara) from long ago doing feats that seem to be waaaaaaay beyond anyone else of the current era and mind you that this same character was defeated by another powerful character (Hashirama) from long ago and then on top of that make that character admit to everyone that the only person capable of defeating him is the same character that caused his death the first time?
Then you write throughout your entire story that Hashirama has powers beyond powers <-- and this is from other powerful ninjas in the world and just other characters alike. We only heard just a little tiny piece of people in the ninja world mentioning Hiruzen's power, actually we heard more people in the ninja world speak of Minato's strength than Hiruzen's. So I say again why as a story writer build a character so high that his powers are considered myth only to make another character later to supposedly be stronger when he gets taken out by someone not as strong as one of the main antagonist? That to me takes away from the story point blank and I do not believe he wrote the story this way <-- he's way smarter than that he's a genius so why would he.

That's all well and good but it's merely your assumption and cannot be proven.

 

[Evolve81]

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that susanoo is 50x higher than a forest he stomps on his weak forest boy gtfoh
blow it up when he swings that sword at hashi mokuto wood is getting blown away and susanoo is the ultimate defense an explosion will do nothing give me a break you can keep wishing we dont know a thing about there fight he prob didnt use this


why are you comparing an uchiha to hiruzen he already > EDO HASHI and TOBIRAMA so he can > normal hashi periode

Dude...... I question whether or not you have read the latest Manga because Madara clearly says that Harshirama is the ONLY PERSON that can defeat him and mind you this issue is focusing on Madara in his ULTIMATE SANSO form? I suggest you read over this issue again to analyze it because you obviously are not seeing what the rest of us are seeing. Madara's Ultimate Sanso was defeated, we don't know how but Harshirama did it according to Madara because he pretty much says he's used this before. Madara also says that the 5 Kage are lucky that Harshirama wasn't there because the whole entire map would be destroyed pretty much if they both fought.

 

[KiraTsurugi32]

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LMAO xD

Come on dude! Hiruzen couldn't even defeat Orochimaru xD I believe Hiruzen was the weakest of all hokages.

 

[Evolve81]

Re: Somebody Explain Why Hiruzen>Hashirama

That's all well and good but it's merely your assumption and cannot be proven.

hmmmm I think that is a given, of course that is my assumption based on analyzing the way he writes and how this story has been directed thus far. All of these post on this site are just opinions, and yes it remains to be proven but that is just my opinion, only food for thought for whoever indulges.
Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

 

[Evolve81]

Re: Somebody Explain Why Hiruzen>Hashirama

You people don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. What the creator says is LAW. One of his main themes is that the youth will always inherit and take the places of the last generation. Choke :flaw: on :flaw: the reality of this universe.

Minato > Hiruzen > 1st & 2nd

Guess whos going to be > minato. Naruto

Some of you say things like nagato > minato.

i think my participation in these threads is only making me angry.

Dude you're only angry because you are unable to force people to believe what you believe so I suggest you chill and get back to reality and recognize that everyone has freedom of thought here because being angry will get you nowhere but popped blood vessels lol.
Oh and you are right about what the creator writes is law....... but who says that the creator has revealed everything to the audience. He could have written those things based off of specific circumstances and times lines just for the audience. Writers do that, if you are writing a book, you may choose to write something specific revealing only so much and do that just because you want the audience at the time to feel a certain way about the story at the time or about a specific character. You may not understand this but it is true. And I am not saying that this is the case for this writer but it very well could be.

 

[Evolve81]

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no because he only has one relative konohamaru hashi only being talked about cause madara and tsunade minato was only being talked cause naruto kurama jiraiya and A

if you got straight out the manga you would no hiruzen already defeated senju bros

AND IM STILL WAITING FOR THAT MANGA WHERE IT SAYS THEY WASIT FULL POWER

You are the funniest person alive and to me your logic doesn't make too much sense in the end. You do make an interesting point but....... NO I have to agree with the other guy. I think you screwed your point all up when you said Hiruzen beat the 1st & 2nd like that was a big deal. There are quite a few people of this current generation that could have done that as the 1st and 2nd Hokage were definitely depowered. By the way that other guy that you replied to is a pretty smart guy I have to give it too him. Killerkader1 said this "If he really was the strongest hokage don't you think he would have some kind of significance in the story now?"

 

[Ryuu..]

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Easy on the multiposting, Evolve81.

 

[Evolve81]

Re: Somebody Explain Why Hiruzen>Hashirama

The Manga clearly states that Hiruzen was the strongest Hokage during his prime. The reason you people don't want to believe that is because if Hiruzen is stronger than Hashirama, then that is very likely to make him stronger than Madara as well. Madara himself admitted that Hashirama was still able to defeat him.

You people think that his Susano'o is invincible, though Hashirama was still able to defeat it. Uchihas are not the only ones with great power and techniques. Hashirama was also a direct descendant of the SO6P; he must also have very strong techs. Just because we have never seen all of his techs, does not that he doesn't have one more powerful than Susano'o.

The same goes for Hiruzen. Just because he's not an Uchiha or never showed powerful techs, does not mean that he doesn't have something powerful do defeat Hashirama or Madara.

It baffles me on how closed-minded and stupid you people really are. For god sakes... just ****ing think and stop acting like ****ing babies!

Although you make some good points that I agree with. Your end comments make you no better than the people that you are criticizing.
Anyway the writer Kishi in my opinion, if Hiruzen ends up being stronger than both Madara and Hashirama then I think that he messed up the story's flow big time. It just doesn't make sense why Hiruzen would be considered stronger especially with no mention at all of the type of wars he was in to even prove that he is that strong. Let's face it, in Naruto we hear about the feats of the 3 Sunin (I know I spelt that wrong sorry) because of that battle with the Salamander King and just being in the saviors of the war. That happened many years ago so why haven't we heard any fantastic Mamma Jamma feats from an old war with Hiruzen's name? That's what I wanna know.

 

[Evolve81]

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Easy on the multiposting, Evolve81.

Sorry I'm new so I'm hyped "excited". This site is pretty cool, it's crazy that I have been reading this Manga for so long and never knew about it. But anyway peace

 

[lucian011707]

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Hiruzen is the strongest ill explain y in a variety of ways n then let me see anyone argue cold hard facts. Ill start with the madara vs hashi fight. We have seen a small flash back of the fight. Real fans know hashi didnt defeat madara alone infact his wife helped him by taking care of the fox. So please stop saying he defeated them both. And since we say hiru fight was a draw so was hashi cause they both died. Plus the madara now is much stronger than the one who fought hashi. Truth is he has been enhanced by kabuto. The edo hashi n tobi were not tampered with so that was them in their prime. Hiru beat them both and to make it worse they used signature techs. Hiru killed them with paper tags how good is that. In conclusion as time passes each generation exceeds the next . Hiru was stronger since he took the title of kage at about naruto age. Just like naruto will surpass all of them

 

[Scooby Doo]

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Hiruzen is the strongest ill explain y in a variety of ways n then let me see anyone argue cold hard facts. Ill start with the madara vs hashi fight. We have seen a small flash back of the fight. Real fans know hashi didnt defeat madara alone infact his wife helped him by taking care of the fox. So please stop saying he defeated them both. And since we say hiru fight was a draw so was hashi cause they both died. Plus the madara now is much stronger than the one who fought hashi. Truth is he has been enhanced by kabuto. The edo hashi n tobi were not tampered with so that was them in their prime. Hiru beat them both and to make it worse they used signature techs. Hiru killed them with paper tags how good is that. In conclusion as time passes each generation exceeds the next . Hiru was stronger since he took the title of kage at about naruto age. Just like naruto will surpass all of them

Hashi fought Madara and the kyuubi alone, his wife wasnt there she later became the jinchuuriki.
+ Okay, lets suppose that Hiruzen >Hashi then why for example he could do nothing against kyuubi when it attacked the village? And back then Hiruzen was only 57 !!!! (Jiraiya/Oro were not much younger when they died ) Hiruzen could only push Kyuubi a little with his rod. But Hiruzen's head would have been blown away if Minato hadnt teleported the 9tails . So Hashi could take on Madara+ Kyuubi but Hiruzen couldnt do much against Kyuubi.Interesting. But I'm sure youll give a proper answer.

 

[DonUchiha671]

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I already know that on this base, you can't even form a opinion without someone calling you a "fanboy" or other dumb shit. So ima just say that until I see both prime hashi and hiruzen go all out on a 1vs1 battle, i wont know who is stronger.

 

[soulreaper11]

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WHY oro perfected edo and hiruzen defeated them and saved the day. The million dollar question is why would kishi make hiruzen fight 3 people at the same time if he was not the strongest hokage?

 

[Scryed]

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I'm just not going to put one over the other.

Judging by the whole manga, both had hype of being the strongest.
Judging by recent manga, Hashirama's hype sky rocketed.

My takes on this would be that at one point, Hiruzen barely managed to surpass Hashirama but then some time passed and his power dropped below Hashirama's. Maybe Hashirama trained? or maybe Hiruzen took steroids and after a while, the effects wore off.

I'll actually consider the recent manga over the old ones that made characters look weak compared to the current war.

But...since that would just be my excuse, manga is manga. I'll just keep them equal for now until something proving one side is completely superior is stated.

 

[MasatoUchiha]

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Hiruzen has shown me that he can commit suicide three times and seal two kages that weren't at full power and only minutley harm orochimaru and on top of that swing around a giant stick.

 

[Scryed]

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Hashi fought Madara and the kyuubi alone, his wife wasnt there she later became the jinchuuriki.
+ Okay, lets suppose that Hiruzen >Hashi then why for example he could do nothing against kyuubi when it attacked the village? And back then Hiruzen was only 57 !!!! (Jiraiya/Oro were not much younger when they died ) Hiruzen could only push Kyuubi a little with his rod. But Hiruzen's head would have been blown away if Minato hadnt teleported the 9tails . So Hashi could take on Madara+ Kyuubi but Hiruzen couldnt do much against Kyuubi.Interesting. But I'm sure youll give a proper answer.

Hashirama's power was more suitable against the Kyuubi. His Mokuton was capable of supressing Bijuu. Though i'm not sure what exact method it takes for him to do so, I would assume that it's similar to the way that Yamato supressed Naruto in 4 tails.

 

[hksnfs]

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1. Hiruzen held his own against hashirama and tobirama at the same time.
2. Indeed Hashirama defeated Madara, but we don't know if he could now since Madara is even more powerful than he was in his prime (perfect susano+rinnegan) even if Madara did say Hashirama can only defeat him, that was back then.
3. People are saying that Hiruzen couldn't stop the Nine Tails and I don't know much to say about that other than maybe the storyline (minato was supposed to seal the fox in naruto), or minato is pretty known for his sealing techniques, or Hashirama's wood style/fighting style makes him a great candidate for restraining opponents? Not sure.

Conclusion: They are both incredibly strong, but until I see Hiruzen in his prime than I don't know who is stronger because we don't know what Hiruzen is truly capable of. You can't put Hiruzen in the same scenarios as Hashirama because we do not know what Hiruzen would do since we haven't seen much.

 

[6pathofpain]

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Hiruzen is the strongest ill explain y in a variety of ways n then let me see anyone argue cold hard facts. Ill start with the madara vs hashi fight. We have seen a small flash back of the fight. Real fans know hashi didnt defeat madara alone infact his wife helped him by taking care of the fox. So please stop saying he defeated them both. And since we say hiru fight was a draw so was hashi cause they both died. Plus the madara now is much stronger than the one who fought hashi. Truth is he has been enhanced by kabuto. The edo hashi n tobi were not tampered with so that was them in their prime. Hiru beat them both and to make it worse they used signature techs. Hiru killed them with paper tags how good is that. In conclusion as time passes each generation exceeds the next . Hiru was stronger since he took the title of kage at about naruto age. Just like naruto will surpass all of them

the 1st fight wasnt a draw because he didnt die because of injury from his fight with madara he died in a war...Sooooooo if you wanna talk about facts you should try again. Since you were wrong on that the rest of what you said is invalid...

 

[6pathofpain]

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WHY oro perfected edo and hiruzen defeated them and saved the day. The million dollar question is why would kishi make hiruzen fight 3 people at the same time if he was not the strongest hokage?

honestly? Neither hokage was at their strongest cause they were being controled an oro doesnt know how to use there strengths like they do. Not to mention they could of killed him at any point when he was blind...but jus like the 3rd fighting 3 people it was part of the story for them to toy with him instead which oro stated...that they were indeed toying with him.