Who said Hiruzen was the strongest???

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  • I Agree Hashirama>Hiruzen

    Votes: 111 62.4%
  • I Disagree Hiruzen>Hashirama

    Votes: 47 26.4%
  • Not Sure

    Votes: 20 11.2%

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Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?

he already beat the first and second together with orochimaru on their side. remember? derp:flaw:
imo i dont think people should count that fight ...but ofcourse that was a hell of a thing to do not alot of people can even do that yet he did it at that age ...but if we compare that to now it would be like ...da fck did i just watch.
 

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Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?

Prime is when you're at your best, but Prime is very much related to age. The average Prime age is from 20-30.
Nah below 25 is still to young
Prime are along the lines of 25-45

A person needs that time to develop
 

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Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?


Too bad Kishi wrote Hiruzen > Hashi
So by your logic. Nuf said
Then he contradicts it by saying that Hashirama's strength was fabled like the Sage of the Six Paths.

It's really just open to interpretation. If we believed everything even Kishimoto wrote, then Sasuke would be dead due to this....



Kishimoto wrote that Deidara killed Sasuke right? It must be true!

No, Kishimoto gave characters something I call "Character Opinion". Meaning that even in literature, not everything written by the author is known to be true. It was in Deidara's opinion that he killed Sasuke because as far as he was concerned, nobody could survive his explosion.

It was also in Kabuto's opinion that Hiruzen was the strongest of the five Hokage and strongest Kage in his era. Why do I believe that Hiruzen is greater? After much research and more knowledge, and then around 3 years later (time skip was two and a half years, not sure how much time elapsed since the start of Part II) he has more knowledge and information. Hiruzen was purported to be able to use all the techniques in Konoha, that would include Gentle fist, Amaterasu (depending on when Itachi defected), and various Kekkai Genkai. If there weren't such contradictions against Hiruzen, then I would say he is the greatest. But I don't see it.
 

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Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?

Then he contradicts it by saying that Hashirama's strength was fabled like the Sage of the Six Paths.

It's really just open to interpretation. If we believed everything even Kishimoto wrote, then Sasuke would be dead due to this....



Kishimoto wrote that Deidara killed Sasuke right? It must be true!

No, Kishimoto gave characters something I call "Character Opinion". Meaning that even in literature, not everything written by the author is known to be true. It was in Deidara's opinion that he killed Sasuke because as far as he was concerned, nobody could survive his explosion.

It was also in Kabuto's opinion that Hiruzen was the strongest of the five Hokage and strongest Kage in his era. Why do I believe that Hiruzen is greater? After much research and more knowledge, and then around 3 years later (time skip was two and a half years, not sure how much time elapsed since the start of Part II) he has more knowledge and information. Hiruzen was purported to be able to use all the techniques in Konoha, that would include Gentle fist, Amaterasu (depending on when Itachi defected), and various Kekkai Genkai. If there weren't such contradictions against Hiruzen, then I would say he is the greatest. But I don't see it.
Him saying hashirama's strength was fabled is not saying he's the strongest kage or strongest ninja.. he clearly states right after than that he wasn't the most powerful and that there are ninjas on his level who are dead...
 

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Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?

nobody has countered the argument about dan. the only thing people say is that terrible "just because A>B doesnt mean A>C" argument. that is interesting as the kages are rated by raw power and their abilities do not match to counter eachothers. hashirama obviously has more raw power in part 2. hashirama has hiruzen outclassed.
 

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Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?

Then he contradicts it by saying that Hashirama's strength was fabled like the Sage of the Six Paths.

It's really just open to interpretation. If we believed everything even Kishimoto wrote, then Sasuke would be dead due to this....



Kishimoto wrote that Deidara killed Sasuke right? It must be true!

No, Kishimoto gave characters something I call "Character Opinion". Meaning that even in literature, not everything written by the author is known to be true. It was in Deidara's opinion that he killed Sasuke because as far as he was concerned, nobody could survive his explosion.

It was also in Kabuto's opinion that Hiruzen was the strongest of the five Hokage and strongest Kage in his era. Why do I believe that Hiruzen is greater? After much research and more knowledge, and then around 3 years later (time skip was two and a half years, not sure how much time elapsed since the start of Part II) he has more knowledge and information. Hiruzen was purported to be able to use all the techniques in Konoha, that would include Gentle fist, Amaterasu (depending on when Itachi defected), and various Kekkai Genkai. If there weren't such contradictions against Hiruzen, then I would say he is the greatest. But I don't see it.
How is he contradicting?
From what you posted
, it still doesnt say hes the strongest Hokage

Hiruzen is still the strongest Hokage, cause Hashirama never got any new powers since since he died before part 1
Which is when Hiruzen was called the strongest
Were only finding out about his powers in part 2

Once again he hasnt got any new powers since he died
 

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Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?

hiruzen>hashirama but kishi is a ****. he says someone is beast then nekk minnut someone else is better. cbf all of it nnow coz at least i know Minato was best!!!! LAWL
 

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Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?

How is he contradicting?
From what you posted
, it still doesnt say hes the strongest Hokage

Hiruzen is still the strongest Hokage, cause Hashirama never got any new powers since since he died before part 1
Which is when Hiruzen was called the strongest
Were only finding out about his powers in part 2

Once again he hasnt got any new powers since he died
i also saw a part somewhere in narutowiki page saying hashi is the strongest shinobi....doesnt that mean he beats hiruzen since he is the strongest ...on my phone so cant link you but go on his narutowiki page u will find it, was said by madara i believe ...
 
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Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?

i also saw a part somewhere in narutowiki page saying hashi is the strongest shinobi....doesnt that mean he beats hiruzen since he is the strongest ...on my phone so cant link you but go on his narutowiki page u will find it was said by madara i believe ...

The only thing ever stated about hashirama is that he was the strongest in his TIME..

 

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Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?

Idk i'd rather be a Hiruzen fan boy then a hashi fan boy i mean with hashi all we really got is hype but with hiruzen we got to see him die for the village and know him better as a character lol i'm off topic but idk i think prime hiruzen could whoop Hashi
 

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Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?


The only thing ever stated about hashirama is that he was the strongest in his TIME..

fair point ...i think kishi need to do a leggit interview and he states who is the strongest or...he could just do a top 10 strongest list will answer so many question...ik it most likely wont happen but one can hope
 

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Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?

fair point ...i think kishi need to do a leggit interview and he states who is the strongest or...he could just do a top 10 strongest list will answer so many question...ik it most likely wont happen but one can hope
Lol the sad thing is that fanboys will still be like f this list so and so is stronger i dun care what kishi said xD
 

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Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?

Hype dictates that Prime Hiruzen > All

Why can't people accept that?
 

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Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?

Madara > Sarutobi
Hashirama > Sarutobi
 

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Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?

i still think he can beat edo madara
That's because you are delusional.

The only single characters who could stand a chance against Edo Madara are, Naruto, Kabuto (w/ edo tensei excluding Madara), and possibly Tobi with the bijuu + gedo mazo.
 

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Re: Those who believe Prime Hiruzen > Hashirama; How do you explain this comment?

umm dont no if you no this but dan wasnt born or he was only a few years old when madara and hashirama fought so he dosent no either all he heard was rumors thats it
 
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