Who is the real sasuke THE TRUTH with PROOF

[Dantee]

Was not Deidara geared towards sasuke with his lightning defusing his bombs, was not his S/T that kishi gave him that wasnt taught that he doesn't know given miracously its a fake win, but a win kishi divine intervention for deidara.

Danzo didn't have use of shishui's eye because he used at summit if he did sasuke be toast. Best genjutsu thats unavoidable good enough to work on itachi good enough for sasuke. Tobi saved sasuke read the manga links posted plz =D.

And both S rank. Sasuke should of died with both fights.

Not a fake win at all. Both were outta tricks and resorted to suicide and Sasuke escaped with pre-knowledge of Deidaras. And plot or whatever you want to call it against Danzo.

Sasuke is S rank. He is in possession of the EMS that allows him to spam incredible S Rank jutsus with ease. He is already battle smarts to go up against any opponents. His inexperience shows sometimes but it's obvious he can go up against more experienced opponents than him and walk with a win.

It's obvious you're just a hater by your logic we can also say Naruto is a C rank ninja with S rank abilities. This is ridiculous.

 

[psayian]

Not a fake win at all. Both were outta tricks and resorted to suicide and Sasuke escaped with pre-knowledge of Deidaras. And plot or whatever you want to call it against Danzo.

Sasuke is S rank. He is in possession of the EMS that allows him to spam incredible S Rank jutsus with ease. He is already battle smarts to go up against any opponents. His inexperience shows sometimes but it's obvious he can go up against more experienced opponents than him and walk with a win.

It's obvious you're just a hater by your logic we can also say Naruto is a C rank ninja with S rank abilities. This is ridiculous.

I'm a hater cuz i show proof in the manga of him getting saved, what if danzo had his jonin with him like really. And you count suicide as a lose if the person suppose to die gets saved by unexplainable no jutsu by kishi? I am illogical:sy:

really i think your opinion and like for sasuke is clouding your judgement. He's still B and i put Databook in my post to prove, and just because you have a EMS doesnt make you S. Thats like saying because i have MS im S even though im a go blind. Just follow itachi's example just simple its constructive criticism on the character is all. with manga backing it up.

Naruto improves and trains for new mode mastering all that is given to him, and is becoming quite good at outwitting his opponents now a foundation for ninjas

 

[ghost nappa]

Lets get this straight sasuke isnt underated sasuke has been given handouts by kishi's ultimate jutsu plot tensei no jutsu. But he still is strong, but he's overated to me hes B rank ninja .


I was flaber gasted kishi made naruto died first ie blood prison movie. But sasuke gets 6 chances.

Sasuke has more chances at life than Sora with kingdom heart with second wind and second chance.

Lets get this straight as well before people say sasuke has trained with oro who by databook is a genjutsu master but by manga definition he has only D, because its all we seen from him. Heck databook says kakashi is a good genjutsu teacher but he hardly uses it like oro, so by databook being able to use D rank genjutsu makes u great genjutsu.

Kishi needs to make more genjutsu users imo.

Sasuke has a god complex thinking uchiha's are unbeatable and the best thing to walk this earth.

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He's fighting a weak orochimaru who was waiting for his medicine for kabuto in so much pain hes such a oppurtunist in a bad way strike ONE .

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In the reality sasuke has neva beat anyone legitly past time jump they all were either sick or dying or he needed help from his team he needed plot tensei no jutsu and countless revival but yet he still thinks hes some god. Itachi went solo and so did most of his predecessors to fight healthy nins. Sasuke hasn't defeated anyone really so why do we praise him for mediocrocy and retreats and being saved.

For those saying we knew he wouldnt have hawk summoning:*
Foreshadowing:

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Oro caught in a D rank genjutsu so how is he a master?

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Sasuke's first genjutsu tech used

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Only legit fight he won was against deidara, and that was because he had a element disadvantage, his genjutsu wasn't even effective on deidara with his cm2 chakra. Plus sasuke should of been dead at suicide explosion but kishi saved him. Strike two.


deidara breaking sasuke's 3 tomoe genjutsu

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Kishi thx for making up a jutsu for him out of thin air because he didnt learn this from oro cuz oro was in his death bed on pills most of*his time.

He continued on knowing if deidara was strong enough to break his genjutsu he knew itachi would be strong enough to easily break since hes a genjutsu master. Idk how people consider him equal with sasuke knowing that itachi didnt hit deidara with tsukyiomi and got him with genjutsu. Even though deidara trained his eye to see through genjutsu, it still wouldnt be strong enough to see through a uchiha with strong capabilities. He has a version of so6p eyes and genjutsu is a yin tech. Dealing with the creating of illusions and giving them form and making the user think they actually have been hit with the real tech.*


cm2 mode sasuke breaking itachi genjutsu

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If you think about it he would of never even of made it to A or danzo if it wasnt for karin. How many times did she save his life, not to mention his team. Sasuke really isn't that good he is a B RANK NINJA WITH S CLASS TECHS not saying he sucks, just saying hes over rated and not as good as people think he is. He's like the proverb a house with a loose foundation. He abandoned the basis of training and strengthening his nature ever since he got MS techs.

Sasuke could be strong if he didnt rely on his MS for everything. If it wasn't for tobi he'd be blind when he fought kakashi and tried to use MS his eyes were done he had no more light he was going blind. The story line would be over sasuke would of been captured but tobi's medical nin had him transplant his brothers eyes to give him an EMS.

Sasuke wasn't able to keep up with A it's why he had Susano on the whole time mostly, and that one dodge to A's raiton armour his taijutsu isn't that great, or he would of been able to move and dodge it. He has a cocky attitude and thinks he can beat anyone since he has MS techs Susano Ama, and tsukyiomi.

Sasuke can't adapt to genjutsu well so he is no way in the top 5 he can see it but thats it cant react. As seen with C and when he fought itachi, he really lost the genjutsu fight seeing as he thought he was in it the whole way.*

Danzo he didn't notice danzo was under genjutsu himself this kid is suppose to see chakra like deidara's nanobombs. He chidoried himself and hurt himself to defeat deidara. But i gotta give him credit on the space time ninjutsu he used to get out of it.. WHich idk what he used, im thinking something similar like when the toads want out of the fight they go poof like a shadow clone so manda got hit but if not idk, Oro didnt have a S/T ninjutsu and sasuke doesnt have kamui or MS at this point.

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evidence- Kishi's tech Plot Tensei no jutsu. Saving sasuke. He gets saved so much.

B lariated him and caved his chest in Suigetsu saved him from his final sting. He's not a tailed beast he needs to stop kidding himself thinking hes strong enough to take one on. Even B in cloak chakra mode was to much from him and if he hit him with tsukyi habichi would of tapped him out of it even in a real fight.

tobi saved sasuke from danzo's seal, Danzo put a hole in his susano with his summoning, Karin noticed danzo in genjutsu and was the ultimate reason why sasuke defeated danzo.

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. Not stronger than Danzo.

Sasuke about to be saved by tobi vs danzo*

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His eyes are suppose to sense disturbances.

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More proof he cant really fight alone:*

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Danzo breaking tsukyiomi:

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Non uchiha breaking tsukyiomi, but sasuke's genj is weak. Wouldn't of broken a good genjutsu users tsukyi.

Susanoo weak to wind style:

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Proof of its wind:

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Sasuke wouldn't of beat danzo if he could use shishui's eye its the ultimate in genjutsu tech's and best seeing through ability of uchiha clan. So fought a weakened danzo, i believe he used it during the kages meet.

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Karin to the aid like in everyone of his fights:

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Sasuke doesnt really have strength all on his own its his team.....

Sasuke's speed failing against a dying danzo and a healed sasuke: Also proving his eyes are useless lost light. The next time he used a MS tech was against kakashi and he couldnt use them anymore eh went blindish.

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Sasuke with genjutsu: As we seen before he failed with putting danzo and deidara under genjutsu, and B. Lets see the average the person, and his defense against it with C who is classified as a Sensor/medic ninja like karin who knows One Genjutsu tech so he could run away and take cover and blind the enemy while Darui and A do work

You see here Jugo noticing the genjutsu, before sasuke, and then the next page telling him what its trying to do. Sasuke does get hit with the genjutsu he tanks them he doesn't break them since itachi and proving it once again right here. at image #5

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He then just barks saying its genjutsu, if he could see through it he would of moved away, but he just tanked it we all know he can see chakra and disturbances but he couldnt see it. Showing he isnt good at breaking or seeing through genjutsu. Also he just says its genjutsu and by the time he realizes it A and darui are there to finish sasuke off, but through plot tensei no jutsu jugo and suigetus blindly block for him

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Then sasuke's cockyness thinking he's kage lvl he needs to learn even the best ninja's need help.

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Sasuke's susano genjutsu one of sasuke's best a MS level tech could be as good as tsukyi it could be tsukyi.

It's of the same caliber as well C genjutsu C can tell its genjutsu but has no deflection or evasion genjutsu techs so is forced to tank it. Proof it was a MS tech and not a regular genjutsu sasuke is holding his eye.

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Proof C is a med ninja as well not really a genj user mostly a support nin.

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Sasuke has the apt for genjutsu as tobi explains here he just needs to train it no excuses

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Sasuke has B rank Speed look at him in his head on assault against A and Darui.
He wasn't even that far and look how easily darui intercepted him. This is for the people who think sasuke can keep up with A or Darui.

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As you see sasuke's speed

A's speed dodges point blank blast from juugo and point blank ama

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Sasuke gets the blind spot on raikage but raikage easily dodges, without breaking a sweat and sasuke is already in swing when he dodges. He has no chance to defend himself for people who say sasuke has good taijutsu.

Sasuke jumped back and only took like 1-2 steps then ducked A's elbow and hit him with chidori. Ignore tobi's lie hatred wasnt the reason itachi got strong, its because he was a perfectionist and trained and tobi has been seen as a liar saying he was madara cant believe everything.

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Kishi tensei plot no jutsu

how does 3 tomoe sharingan keep up with raikage when MS sharingan cant keep up like really each tomoe is suppose to help u keep track of things moving faster easier and MS is more advanced than 3 tomoe cmon kishi

Back to what i was saying his chidori his best offensive tech vs raikage armour hardly left a dent. B rank tech vs B+ level defence and its still on.*

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Sasuke tai cant keep up with A's S rank Sasuke tai is prob a high C rank at best now.

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For those who say yah hes good he can enhance his swordmandry even the samurai can do it.

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A's speed is S rank dodges a point blank ama*

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His ulimate defense smashed through and sasuke was hurt left bleeding from the mouth afterwards he wasnt bleeding before.

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Proof Sasuke's Ama is a B rank Burn not S rank with A rank power. Ama isnt the end all say all gara's defense stopped it and it couldnt burn the sand.

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Gaara is a s class ninja now because he trained he has no jinchurikki either now.

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It's a B rank seal so its a B rank Burn

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Proof itachi could use enton for those doubting his ninjutsu:
Proof he could form ama just like sasuke

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Even if his susano is in his final form it would of been melted its weak to air type attacks as shown by danzo and acid is acid.

Zetsu restoring sasukes strength.GJ Zetsu sasuke getting help from more than 1 team shows his competency.

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Even with his susano he couldnt of tanked this

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Tobi saving him:

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Also without tobi sasuke wouldnt have power he'd be blind.

Sasuke is strong but to me hes a B rank ninja with s rank techs who doesnt know how to use them

This thread is made 04/30/12 and shouldnt be used as good evidence if sasuke has changed his ways after EMS.

Sasuke needs to stop acting tough he's strong but he isn't a kage or a beast sasuke plz just go home and train and stick to the basics plaza.

I wouldnt be surprised that after the war if tobi is alive and weak sasuke wont try to pull an oro, and kill him and take his rinnegan since he likes easy power ups.

And about his EMS he says it all



i got it from here

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He needs to be logical now and think :scorps:

im a kiba fanboy manga truth > opinions

So what grade did you get for this?

 

[Dantee]

I'm a hater cuz i show proof in the manga of him getting saved, what if danzo had his jonin with him like really. And you count suicide as a lose if the person suppose to die gets saved by unexplainable no jutsu by kishi? I am illogical:sy:

really i think your opinion and like for sasuke is clouding your judgement. He's still B and i put Databook in my post to prove, and just because you have a EMS doesnt make you S. Thats like saying because i have MS im S even though im a go blind. Just follow itachi's example just simple its constructive criticism on the character is all. with manga backing it up.

Naruto improves and trains for new mode mastering all that is given to him, and is becoming quite good at outwitting his opponents now a foundation for ninjas

Naruto gets saved all the time. Alot of people get saved by the so called plot. You just want to dismiss anything favoring Sasuke as plot and move on. You say Naruto improves and trains for mastering new modes but he has hardly trained at all. Sasuke has infact trained longer than has. Naruto trained a month for sage mode and a day for kyubbi mode. I can write all day about how plot wise that was.

Kishi does not have time to showcase Sasukes training. I don't here you once say that in your so called non-bias thread. Sasuke trained 3 years straight in the beginning of the time-skip. Before we see Sasuke summon Susanno, we hear Jugo saying o this is what Sasuke has been working on. Sasuke summons a hawk to the Danzo fight. Sasuke obviously had to train for that as well. Sasuke was training EMS on zetsus.

I admit Sasuke has been powering up in fights as well. But hasn't Naruto as well?

Sasuke also mentioned he did alot of research on Orochimaru and he had a back up plan to escape a battle I.E Manda. But no you just bash him and call it plot no jutsu we it can easily be said for anyone.

You talk about his fight with Bee but you forget he just lost like half his powers from the Curse Seal?? Didn't talk about that

You're either a hypocrite or a hater if you can't say Sasuke is following the same line of plot no jutsu as Naruto. If Sasuke is really a B rank than Naruto is a C or D.

BTW: Sasuke blocked Gaaras sand with Enton not the other way around. Amaterasu is infact S-rank. It is by no means easy to block or evade.

O man I can go on all day about this fail thread. Just read about the part where you called his tai C rank when he lost to the RAIKAGE in TAI wow just wow.

 

[psayian]

Naruto gets saved all the time. Alot of people get saved by the so called plot. You just want to dismiss anything favoring Sasuke as plot and move on. You say Naruto improves and trains for mastering new modes but he has hardly trained at all. Sasuke has infact trained longer than has. Naruto trained a month for sage mode and a day for kyubbi mode. I can write all day about how plot wise that was.

Kishi does not have time to showcase Sasukes training. I don't here you once say that in your so called non-bias thread. Sasuke trained 3 years straight in the beginning of the time-skip. Before we see Sasuke summon Susanno, we hear Jugo saying o this is what Sasuke has been working on. Sasuke summons a hawk to the Danzo fight. Sasuke obviously had to train for that as well. Sasuke was training EMS on zetsus.

I admit Sasuke has been powering up in fights as well. But hasn't Naruto as well?

Sasuke also mentioned he did alot of research on Orochimaru and he had a back up plan to escape a battle I.E Manda. But no you just bash him and call it plot no jutsu we it can easily be said for anyone.

You talk about his fight with Bee but you forget he just lost like half his powers from the Curse Seal?? Didn't talk about that

You're either a hypocrite or a hater if you can't say Sasuke is following the same line of plot no jutsu as Naruto. If Sasuke is really a B rank than Naruto is a C or D.

BTW: Sasuke blocked Gaaras sand with Enton not the other way around. Amaterasu is infact S-rank. It is by no means easy to block or evade.

O man I can go on all day about this fail thread. Just read about the part where you called his tai C rank when he lost to the RAIKAGE in TAI wow just wow.

Wow, I can tell you didn't read my last post, and all your giving me is opinions give me Manga. And bull, where does oro have a S/T that allows him to teleport thats not even explainable. This thread is about Sasuke not Naruto, and are you mad? KM mode took more than 1 day, because he was on that island more than a day. Give me manga your proving anything. And your calling it fail why. And i gave Databook, and reasons why your just giving me opinion. Who else did sasuke use tai against really. If your not gonna read the last post then why post. Yah, you didnt read the first post either. Yes, its not easy to evade its why u see, gaara, block, and A dodge easily, and Teimari blow it off.:flaw::sy:

Actually yah I can. Your not giving me any manga. Lmfao he didnt train the damn ems on the zetsu the zetsu tried to stop him and you call white Zetsu strong read the OP gosh your ignorant. Kishi doesn't have time hes the writer he has time to showcase and depict wtvr he wants... Now your making no sense

Yes because CM is stronger than a MS right. Your full of excuses really. Manda can't teleport, and manda was broken his plan to to HIDE IN MANDA and hope to endure the blast show me where sasuke or ORO has a S/T back then. Your so flawed in your argument ur just trolling.

Show me in the manga where juugo says that giving me no links its easy can say a person says all your posts are without manga back up back it up.

ANd you forgot that during the time skip he was training with jairya. And oro didnt teach sasuke anything he just gave him opponent's last time i checked Jairya taught naruto since you keep bringing him up. An A rank tech.. what did oro teach sasuke, and yes sasuke did alot of research i'll give you that.

and if he can show naruto mastering KM and SM he can show sasuke he just doesn't to be ambigious and if we knew what how he trained. Oh we don't because he gets easy power ups since oro. Itachi's eyes. Going blind kinda forced tobi to give him ems. Also did he not lose to A in tai and had to use his susano not saying its a bad thing, but he realized his tai wasnt on his level and he barely did anything to A.

I can see you don't know what your talking about.

If anything naruto has far more chakra control, and has trained daily to increase his base chakra, and strength.

Stop making excuses being a fan boy.

If you read I wouldn't be repeating myself my post on page 16 and OP. I do give him credit , and if you did read you surely dont comprehend i broke your character down to the T don't be mad i exposed light.

 

[psayian]

So what grade did you get for this?

Some people gave me S some gave me B, but B was the lowest and i had about 18 people completely agree most was mixed but mostly on so i guess A rank.

 

[Dantee]

Wow, I can tell you didn't read my last post, and all your giving me is opinions give me Manga. And bull, where does oro have a S/T that allows him to teleport thats not even explainable. This thread is about Sasuke not Naruto, and are you mad? KM mode took more than 1 day, because he was on that island more than a day. Give me manga your proving anything. And your calling it fail why. And i gave Databook, and reasons why your just giving me opinion. Who else did sasuke use tai against really. If your not gonna read the last post then why post. Yah, you didnt read the first post either. Yes, its not easy to evade its why u see, gaara, block, and A dodge easily, and Teimari blow it off.:flaw::sy:

Actually yah I can. Your not giving me any manga. Lmfao he didnt train the damn ems on the zetsu the zetsu tried to stop him and you call white Zetsu strong read the OP gosh your ignorant. Kishi doesn't have time hes the writer he has time to showcase and depict wtvr he wants... Now your making no sense

Yes because CM is stronger than a MS right. Your full of excuses really. Manda can't teleport, and manda was broken his plan to to HIDE IN MANDA and hope to endure the blast show me where sasuke or ORO has a S/T back then. Your so flawed in your argument ur just trolling.

Show me in the manga where juugo says that giving me no links its easy can say a person says all your posts are without manga back up back it up.

ANd you forgot that during the time skip he was training with jairya. And oro didnt teach sasuke anything he just gave him opponent's last time i checked Jairya taught naruto since you keep bringing him up. An A rank tech.. what did oro teach sasuke, and yes sasuke did alot of research i'll give you that.

and if he can show naruto mastering KM and SM he can show sasuke he just doesn't to be ambigious and if we knew what how he trained. Oh we don't because he gets easy power ups since oro. Itachi's eyes. Going blind kinda forced tobi to give him ems. Also did he not lose to A in tai and had to use his susano not saying its a bad thing, but he realized his tai wasnt on his level and he barely did anything to A.

I can see you don't know what your talking about.

If anything naruto has far more chakra control, and has trained daily to increase his base chakra, and strength.

Stop making excuses being a fan boy.

If you read I wouldn't be repeating myself my post on page 16 and OP. I do give him credit , and if you did read you surely dont comprehend i broke your character down to the T don't be mad i exposed light.

I talked about Naruto because him and Sasuke are the same thing on opposite sides. I won't bother bringing out manga pages because honestly I am to lazy. You probably saw it and skimmed over as if it was nothing. I didn't say Zetsu was freaken strong. :sy:

I said he was training on Zetsus. To grade his taijutsu because he lost to someone who is arguably the best taijutsu fighter in the series is just retarted. He lost to Itachi because Itachi is freaken beast in taijutsu.

O my bad whats the difference between Naruto gaining KM in a day and Sasuke gaining EMS in a day. Naruto trained KM on the island while Sasuke trained it on Zetsus. They are literally the same.:flaw::flaw: I'm not mad you exposed Sasuke liked this honestly because its dum. He's B rank with S rank abilities? What does that even mean. I just wanted you to admit the same thing about Naruto.

 

[psayian]

I talked about Naruto because him and Sasuke are the same thing on opposite sides. I won't bother bringing out manga pages because honestly I am to lazy. You probably saw it and skimmed over as if it was nothing. I didn't say Zetsu was freaken strong. :sy:

I said he was training on Zetsus. To grade his taijutsu because he lost to someone who is arguably the best taijutsu fighter in the series is just retarted. He lost to Itachi because Itachi is freaken beast in taijutsu.

O my bad whats the difference between Naruto gaining KM in a day and Sasuke gaining EMS in a day. Naruto trained KM on the island while Sasuke trained it on Zetsus. They are literally the same.:flaw::flaw: I'm not mad you exposed Sasuke liked this honestly because its dum. He's B rank with S rank abilities? What does that even mean. I just wanted you to admit the same thing about Naruto.

I can't admit the same thing about naruto, because he hasn't dropped the foundation. I also compared sasuke to lee. And KM mode was more than 1 day it's chakra control, and its different because they are such polar oposites, but with similar backgrounds, so i agree with you on that. Naruto is Senju which, means he gains more physical and vitality ie chakra, but not as intellectual, but he's been outsmarting a whole bunch of ninja's and been showing off the fruits of his training. Sasuke is uchiha, means he is intellectual and is known for out thinking his opponents, and known for bringing imagination to reality, its what yin release does and what the elder brother was good out. And we are getting somewhere I'll give you the zetsu aren't strong, but is it fair to say EMS is strong, because he used it on a weak opponent to test it out. On the other hand naruto has used his perfected KM, and is testing out and pushing it to it's abilities against most of the edo's and bijuu's.

Yes comparing him to raikage was unfair, but i believe the manga showed us that to show us the gap between a kage and sasuke, and where a most ninja's who are good in taijutsu can do. I'm not saying they will be as good as A, but the speed could be slower, but i believe the manga was saying its a similar affect, at where Sasuke is with taijutsu.

And what i meant with that is this?

On a report Card if you have 1 A 1 B and 2 D's.
You average out to 1 B and 3 C's.

Alot of what we have in the manga is theorotical, and isn't to accurate, because most of what kishi put in the DB makes everyone about B-S class in there own respect, and if you compare someone like Lee and Sasuke like i said in a eariler post do you believe sasuke has more stamina than lee, or speed. Because databoook indicates, so im saying lets not focus on a few techs but examine the ninja as a whole, and whats wrong with a B. Yes sasuke's MS tech's are powerful but they arent absolute, and they drain alot of chakra. Personally I believe if he trained with kakishi even more, he'd have raikir which is a way stronger version of chidori.

And don't be lazy if people were lazy threads wouldn't be made if your gonna post back it up don't just leave it at you word value if someone makes the effort to make an analysis thread and use images and stuff don't respond back with opinion and go at him half heartedly at least prove what your saying.

 

[HG Swells]

Itachi only used MS under life threatening abilities like escaping jariay's tech other than that, he used it to show his brother the abilities. That is how MS is suppose to be used. Itachi relied and strengthened his foundation ninja skills. Analysis Deception and tricking the enemy to win his fights he didn't risk his eyes lightly. He rarely uses his regular techniques he used chidori once against A, and a chakra blade against danzo once, but most of the fight for both was using MS techs. Also he didn't have EMS when he fought the 5 kages just MS.

Was Kakashi a life threatening situation? How about pushing Sasuke back and breaking the wall to find Kabuto? Or killing the crow? How is facing a transformed Jinchuuriki, the (second) fastest ninja in the world and then several Kages at once, and as far as he knew, the Hokage of Konoha not similar situations? You're acting as if these are every day people he was facing. The only reason Itachi didn't seem to use it more was because he was dying, since as soon as he became an Edo summon, he had no trouble using it at every chance he got. Heck, Madara when facing two Kages, had no trouble relying on his Susanoo. So your claim that it's how MS is suppose to be used was proven false in the series itself.

Um, no. Against Ae, Sasuke attempted to use a genjutsu til he saw it wasn't gonna work, then used his Chidori Blade and Chidori which both proved ineffective too. He didn't rely on his MS til he saw how strong Ae was. Against Danzo, Sasuke used two of his Chidori Spear, regular sword several times, Great Fireball, weapon summoning, and an attempted Chidori. HIs battle with Ae was mainly regular technique before he needed to switch to MS, and against Danzo it was an even split. Also, he stated he was testing his EMS out when he used it against the Zetsus, the only time he solely relied on it.

 

[psayian]

Was Kakashi a life threatening situation? How about pushing Sasuke back and breaking the wall to find Kabuto? Or killing the crow? How is facing a transformed Jinchuuriki, the (second) fastest ninja in the world and then several Kages at once, and as far as he knew, the Hokage of Konoha not similar situations? You're acting as if these are every day people he was facing. The only reason Itachi didn't seem to use it more was because he was dying, since as soon as he became an Edo summon, he had no trouble using it at every chance he got. Heck, Madara when facing two Kages, had no trouble relying on his Susanoo. So your claim that it's how MS is suppose to be used was proven false in the series itself.

Um, no. Against Ae, Sasuke attempted to use a genjutsu til he saw it wasn't gonna work, then used his Chidori Blade and Chidori which both proved ineffective too. He didn't rely on his MS til he saw how strong Ae was. Against Danzo, Sasuke used two of his Chidori Spear, regular sword several times, Great Fireball, weapon summoning, and an attempted Chidori. HIs battle with Ae was mainly regular technique before he needed to switch to MS, and against Danzo it was an even split. Also, he stated he was testing his EMS out when he used it against the Zetsus, the only time he solely relied on it.

I dont know what fight you saw, but he really never got the chance to use chidori blade. Madara had EMS when he fought hashirama, and when he was fighting the kages. What uchiha is gonna lose there sight. An uchiha without eyes is like a bird who can't fly dead meat.

Yes kakashi at that point was life threatning, sasuke immediately went with a susano arrow, why? He knew his taijutsu speed and nin techs aren't advanced enough to get kakashi, and kakashi is a master at deception.

No I'm proved right by the manga via itachi. And he's an edo he's already dead and his eye sight gets restored easily so idk how u can use that argument like really...

Chidori spear to kill. I think he used it against inzanagi chidori i dont remember sasuke can see chakra, should of seen him being under genjutsu, unless ur saying him seeing nano size bomb's which are smaller than cells are easier to see?

Are you serious his battle with A was mostly MS techs. I have the manga links shown already.

Please provide proof with the things you say.

How about pushing Sasuke back and breaking the wall to find Kabuto?

And i dont really get the purpose of your post your leaving out alot of details being vague.

Idk what ur talking about when ur talking about the crow. Itachi killed the crow, i beleive the crow to get himself out of edo state.

Technically these were everyday people he went from 1 day to the next, but they were S class and they didn't have teams for the majority part they fought sasuke 1 on 1. Sasuke couldnt do the same. That didn't have a affect on his condition, he didn't use it more, because the light was going out of his eye ie when he used amaterasu to get out of jairya's condition. Using chakra, doesnt kill you faster otherwise no ninja would be above 20.

Madara hardly used his susano he used alot of ninjutsu's and paths. and he was testing his new susano powers he wasnt constantly in it.

ANd a sword to block danzo kunai/shuriken isn't really taijutsu or swordmansdry.

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

Sasuke is an idiot, a powerful idiot though. I dont think he is a B rank ninja

 

[psayian]

Sasuke is an idiot, a powerful idiot though. I dont think he is a B rank ninja

This thread was opinion based on why i think he is B ranked and manga supporting why i believe he's b ranked is all. But i agree with you on a powerful idiot. I'll make a better thread giving sasuke's goood before his bad.

 

[al3xsmith13]

lol too long didnt read!

 

[Sephy100]

This dude is a true Sasuke hater. He wrote a whole essay berating Sasuke. Sasuke killed hundreds of warriors while training with Oro in the field. He fought all the kages then lost most of his chakra only to fight and kill Danzo. He even used genjutsu against Danzo. Isn't Sasuke supposed to be weak in genjutsu but he cast it against someone of kage level? He was also praised as being better in Amaterasu than Itachi, which is no easy feat when compared to Itachi. He killed 15 zetsu by himself. He killed Diedara by himself. He has to learn and scrape by by himself while Naruto has tons of teachers i.e Itachi, Kakashi, Killer B, Motoi, Tsunade, Jiraiya, all the jinchuuriki's, Ma and Pa frog, Nagato, & Yamato. Kishi already made it clear that he takes elements and characters from DBZ. Naruto = Goku and Sasuke = Vegeta. This thread is just an outlet for you to hate on Sasuke.

 

[Feen]

I do think some of what you said is right but others.. meh

 

[webhero]

All of what you said is the truth..i feel like whenever naruto trained so hard to get something and improve, sasuke would coincidentally and illogically get a new power up..plot no jutsu is saving his ass. Plus from what im seeing so far, if sasuke goes 'good' (horrible idea) he might team up with the others to 'take down' tobi but need naruto's help. Sasuke is def good, but not great and certainly not what he's hyped up to be. It's kinda ridiculous the more i think about it, i think sasuke has tried the least to improve the normal way(good ole fashion training) than anyone else in the rookie 11. smh, kishi why? why do you like sasuke so much?

 

[dongekyou]

the fact that you dislike an anime character enough to spend so much time trying to make everyone else dislike him is disturbing in and of itself. at any rate, you really can't take any of sasuke's first few fights after obtaining mangekyou into account because basically he was the most reckless character there has been in naruto at that time. he didn't care about anything so he just went into the fights not even worrying about how strong his opponents are and trying to figure out the extent of his new powers. that was the entire point of him doing poorly in those fights, to push himself to the limit to see exactly what his powers were. albeit, that did kinda fail, he still made it out and learned everything that he could do so it paid off. i will agree that before he received his mangekyou he was overrated and naruto would have wiped him, but now we see what he can do. lets remember, also, that he's just 16 and beating the shit out of all these experienced ninja, and kages, and akatsuki. the end fight will be good no matter how you feel about either character.

 

[HG Swells]

I dont know what fight you saw, but he really never got the chance to use chidori blade. Madara had EMS when he fought hashirama, and when he was fighting the kages. What uchiha is gonna lose there sight. An uchiha without eyes is like a bird who can't fly dead meat.

What are you referring to? The fight with Ae? Anyway, you claim those techniques were only suppose to be used under life threatening situations and clearly that's not true, as we specifically know Madara used his MS enough that he became blind long before that of his brother and afterward still tended to use his MS techniques in situations where he didn't actually require them.

Yes kakashi at that point was life threatning, sasuke immediately went with a susano arrow, why? He knew his taijutsu speed and nin techs aren't advanced enough to get kakashi, and kakashi is a master at deception.

I was referring to Itachi using Tsukuyomi on Kakashi all the way back in Part One? That was not a life and death situation and it was made clear Itachi could have dealt with him without it, yet Itachi still used his MS, so claiming he only used it under life threatening situations is false.

No I'm proved right by the manga via itachi. And he's an edo he's already dead and his eye sight gets restored easily so idk how u can use that argument like really...

Exactly, we see that Itachi has no problem drawing upon his MS when he has the option to. It's not "being reserved" for life and death threats anymore.

Chidori spear to kill. I think he used it against inzanagi chidori i dont remember sasuke can see chakra, should of seen him being under genjutsu, unless ur saying him seeing nano size bomb's which are smaller than cells are easier to see?

Again, I have no idea what you're referring to. Are you talking about the one used against Danzo? Sasuke wasn't the one under the genjutsu.

Are you serious his battle with A was mostly MS techs. I have the manga links shown already.

If you have the links, then you would see it that Sasuke attempted to use several of his regular techniques before he had to use Susanoo to protect himself. He didn't use MS until his life was threaten, which you admitted was when it's suppose to be used.

Please provide proof with the things you say.

Sure, what do you need proof of?

How about pushing Sasuke back and breaking the wall to find Kabuto?

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And i dont really get the purpose of your post your leaving out alot of details being vague.

I'm quite sure I was being clear. The point was that Sasuke using his MS when fighting against the likes of the Kages is hardly uncalled for as we have seen and even in such situations, he still tends to use it as a last resort.

Idk what ur talking about when ur talking about the crow. Itachi killed the crow, i beleive the crow to get himself out of edo state.

Um, no. He was already out of Kabto's control. He killed the crow because it wasn't any use anymore and that's the point. He clearly didn't need to use Amaterasu just to kill it.

Technically these were everyday people he went from 1 day to the next, but they were S class and they didn't have teams for the majority part they fought sasuke 1 on 1. Sasuke couldnt do the same. That didn't have a affect on his condition, he didn't use it more, because the light was going out of his eye ie when he used amaterasu to get out of jairya's condition. Using chakra, doesnt kill you faster otherwise no ninja would be above 20.

You're referring to the Kages and Kirabi as every day people? These are the most elite people in a village. The top tier. And the only two Sasuke fought who were alone were Danzo and Kirabi. And his MS did have an effect on Itachi's sickness, as we saw when he fought Sasuke.

Madara hardly used his susano he used alot of ninjutsu's and paths. and he was testing his new susano powers he wasnt constantly in it.

Um, Madara has used his Susanoo nearly the entire time we have seen him. And he's not testing anything, he's playing around.

ANd a sword to block danzo kunai/shuriken isn't really taijutsu or swordmansdry.

Sasuke didn't use his sword to block an attack, but to attack.

 

[WillOfFire08]

Gud thread i agree

 

[Braveknight]

agreed