Who is the real sasuke THE TRUTH with PROOF
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More experience then Asuma and Kurenai? Clearly he wasn't in a rush because he had no trouble standing there and exchanging regular techniques with Kakashi beforehand and as mentioned, he hadn't even been going all out when he did it. And why tell Kisame to hang back if it was such an important situation. No, that wasn't a life threatening situation at all, no more then any situation Sasuke used his in.
How was it vague when you knew who I was speaking of? I haven't twisted anything I originally claimed. And as pointed out before, being an Edo summon doesn't mean he's free of the effects. Otherwise his eyes wouldn't bleed when he uses Amaterasu, now would they?
How was Amaterasu necessary when he had regular fire techniques he could have used. And again, you stated "life threatening situations", not "situations where it was necessary".
A transformed Jinchuuriki. He didn't employ Tsukuyomi til Kirabi manifested his cloak and Amaterasu til Kirabi transformed into the Hachibi. I didn't mention Mifune because I was specifically listing situations where Sasuke's life was threaten, which you claimed were the only times MS should be used.
Madara and Izuna gain their MS at the same time. Madara was nearly blind while Izuna could still see.
And no, you're not proven right. You're changing your argument. You claim that MS techniques were suppose to be used in threatening situations. You said nothing about not using them because of blindness. Either it's they shouldn't be used because one could go blind or they shouldn't be used except in dangerous situations.
What does their difference in fighting style have to do with anything I claimed? You're changing your argument once again. Sasuke has always been a straight forward blitzer with a touch of deception, even before he gain MS. Itachi's fighting style is unique to him, not some Uchiha standard as we clearly saw from Madara when he first began to fight during the war. No deception, he jumped right into the fry with speed and ninjutsu. Same with Obito.
I don't understand how you can misquote what I said when you're showing the quotes themselves? I never claim it was "most of the battle". As you have shown, I said he used his regular techniques til he saw how strong Ae was and needed to switch to MS.
Um, I said several, not seven. Obviously you're just skimming what I'm writing.
Um, Karin wasn't "coaching" him. 8 regular attacks vs 5 MS attacks? Clearly it was more regular then MS. Danzo was still show within the genjutsu when Sasuke was affected by the seal. If he broke it, the flames of the genjutsu wouldn't have been shown. And it was outright pointed out why Sasuke's Tsukuyomi didn't work, because he lacked the temporal manipulation that Itachi had, which meant his genjutsu took place in real world time as oppose to all within a second like with Itachi.
I'm not sure you understand how MS and EMS works. EMS is MS, just without the blindness. Regardless, none of that changes anything I said.
First off, we do know that Madara used his MS quite a bit because he went blind faster then his brother did. Secondly, Sasuke didn't go blind against Kakashi. He was simply temporary affected by the aftereffects. If he had gone blind, then obviously he couldn't have had his little exchange with Naruto moments later, now could he.
What exactly are you arguing? You're making a whole bunch of assumptions about what he should have seen or such with Izanagi, which clearly isn't how it works. You would note that Tobi didn't figure out what was up with Danzo either until well into the battle. So exactly why should Sasuke have known more when he didn't even know of Izanagi?
Regular attack:
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. "Every" ninja doesn't use an ultimate defense to preform it. Chakra control and perception wouldn't allow him to defend against the attacks of Kages.
Where was it shown he knew there would be sensors there? You're making a wild assumption. And no, you're the one who made the claim that MS was only meant for threatening situations. Now you've change it to whenever there's no ill effect...
Solo? Um, Akatsuki work in pairs. And no, people like the Kages aren't "everyday" people, even to Akatsuki. Deidara ran away when Naruto went three tails and Orochimaru brought two Edo Hokages for his fight against Sarutobi.
Itachi's MS was what I referred to. Madara didn't stop using Susanoo for a long time. He stopped for a moment and then soon reactivate it.
Clearly you don't understand what limitations are. A Edo summon being repaired has no effect towards limitations. So you didn't solve anything. As I pointed out, Hanzou was paralyzed by his own poison, Nidaime Mizukage was shown exhausted, and Itachi bleed when he used Amaterasu.
Itachi didn't always "hold his eye and writhe with pain" when using Amaterasu.
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. Nothing at all suggest that their chakra get's renewed. And even if you're argument was true, it would only work if Itachi's eyes got destroyed, otherwise they wouldn't be renewed. So either way, my point remains. Um, there were implied quite a bit of people gained MS and EMS. Anyway, how would you explain C's comment about Sasuke's Amaterasu being better then Itachi's Amaterasu, which would only work if someone else had witness it beforehand.
Not an excuse and you can't claim he "would of been sense anyway" since they couldn't have used their abilities at the summit in the first place regularly. There's a reason Sasuke wasn't sense in the first place and not til C was right above him.
No I didn't. I know exactly what I wrote. If you think otherwise, then quote and bold it. And I linked you right to when he used his Chidori Blade against Ae.
Technically nothing. Chidori and Chidori Blade are ninjutsus and the genjutsu is obvious. And any attacks made with a blade would be considered kenjutsu, not taijutsu. So stop making things up.
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. Where does it said that a weaker Sharingan would be able to see through even a regular genjutsu from a stronger Sharingan? Where does it said only Tsukuyomi would be able to affect the Sharingan? Because Sasuke proved that wrong already.
I'm not vague at all. Read better.
Um, Sasuke didn't hold his eye because he was effected, he held it because he broke it.
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. He didn't lose his light, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to see Naruto afterward, much less have an exchange with him. And you're presuming Sasuke wouldn't have broken it just like he did Itachi's Tsukuyomi... It was one after the other in quick response with no rest. And he didn't get healed twice. Given more chakra, yes, but healed, no.
How does a fruitless attack by Karin that merely ends up with her being kicked mean anything towards Sasuke getting help? Um, Karin thinking about it herself is in no way coaching Sasuke. Sasuke figured out Izanagi himself,
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. And Tobi didn't save Sasuke from being sucked in,
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. Sasuke got clear before Tobi got halfway underground. I pretty sure I'm not the one who needs to thoroughly analyze the reading.
Before, I make another ungodly long post. I want you to read everything i posted and everything you posted allowed, look at it from the outside, and not just to prove yourself right.
Because the MS techs were only used in life threatning situations inorder to prevent going blind. If your an edo you can't go blind so the condition of MS being used under life threatening situations if your an ALIVE ninja goes away, but since your DEAD and you get repaired you can use again. I'm a stop there I'll answer your long post after you answer this, because i posted manga for everything you threw at me and you skimped on that. I really want you to tell me what you took out of it and in the manga what it really means.
And i'll do the same, and we'll come back, because the objective of this thread isn't for a stalemate or for us to be deadlocked stalemated, because of opinions, but to post facts. And i don't think your really looking at my posts for what they are, but for the fact to seem right, and maybe I'm doing the same with yours.
So if you grant me that courtesy, so we can clear it up. And we can come back at this fresh, i think we'll make more progress. If you don't care for that. I will just make my ungodly long post.
Thank you.
