Thanks, but not meant to troll.haha nice one
but to much effort for a troll tread
naruto's are explainable, and he doesn't have this god complex, i dont need anyone attitude, and this thread is about sasukeIF there is one worst in the plot jutsu department is his friend naruto. oh my.
I agree, and i like your posts.And acknowledged others... Naruto,itachi,Lee,neji at some point etc i get where you are coming frm psayian..lol this sounds extremely corny lol but my sharingan can see your valid points..i definitely enjoyed everyone's post and heart felt replies this is what it means to be a fan we learn frm eachother and grow i definitely have more appreciation for naruto now. wheather pos or neg we all LOVE THIS MANGA and ANIME we all agree on that : ) hahaha
More experience then Asuma and Kurenai? Clearly he wasn't in a rush because he had no trouble standing there and exchanging regular techniques with Kakashi beforehand and as mentioned, he hadn't even been going all out when he did it. And why tell Kisame to hang back if it was such an important situation. No, that wasn't a life threatening situation at all, no more then any situation Sasuke used his in.Yes, because kakashi has experience, and the longer he was there with kakashi the more ninja's would come, and he wasn't looking for Konoha vs Kisame & itachi. So yes it was.
How was it vague when you knew who I was speaking of? I haven't twisted anything I originally claimed. And as pointed out before, being an Edo summon doesn't mean he's free of the effects. Otherwise his eyes wouldn't bleed when he uses Amaterasu, now would they?Please say that aloud. That sounds vague and makes me think ok and lots of ninja's can break a wall and...?. He's an edo his eyes heal instantaneously, so yeah. I answered everything before jus re answering, since your twisting what your saying now. The crow, if kabuto is able to bring light into eyes that lost their light what's saying he won't be able to use hashirama's cells to make shishui's eyes usable sooner like danzo did. Amaterasu would permanently destroy the eye beyond repair. So neccesary.
A transformed Jinchuuriki. He didn't employ Tsukuyomi til Kirabi manifested his cloak and Amaterasu til Kirabi transformed into the Hachibi. I didn't mention Mifune because I was specifically listing situations where Sasuke's life was threaten, which you claimed were the only times MS should be used.Because a jinchurikki is a jinchurriki thats like saying whats the different between an apple and a orange. Also there were 5 kages, 6 if you include the leaders of the samurai. Also, he faced them one at a time like survival mode. Do you forget Mizukage sealed off the hallway so she can use her acid tech. Then he broke the wall with susano to escape and he ran out of chakra then it was Tscuhikage vs Sasuke, which Susano wouldnt of tanked, because he was out of. He ran from gaara, didnt really fight him, he cut the pillars. Danzo he fought after they left the summit. Do you really find the sword clash with mifune a real fight? So no its not like kages vs madara, it was completely different. So they are not similar situations. Also he had Taka there for the jinchurriki it was 4 vs 1 with bee having no back up and it wasnt round robin and he still lost? He failed to capture him which results in a loss.
Madara and Izuna gain their MS at the same time. Madara was nearly blind while Izuna could still see.Actually your claim is false and you have nothing to prove how long madara had his MS before he became blind and took Izuna's MS to have an EMS. His EMS makes your claim false, because we are talking about MS not EMS, and EMS doesnt allow you to go blind. So im actually proven correct. I'm also proven right via this.
What does their difference in fighting style have to do with anything I claimed? You're changing your argument once again. Sasuke has always been a straight forward blitzer with a touch of deception, even before he gain MS. Itachi's fighting style is unique to him, not some Uchiha standard as we clearly saw from Madara when he first began to fight during the war. No deception, he jumped right into the fry with speed and ninjutsu. Same with Obito.Why, because he didn't train any of his other tech's itachi did a whole bunch of regular training. Itachi can use shadow clones, crow genjutsu and various other tech's. Itachi who was previously alive used deception vs kakashi kurenai and asuma. Sasuke doesn't use this. Itachi which we can agree on is a more experienced uchiha than sasuke. Meaning he doesn't rely on his MS tech's he relies on the foundation, and the only reason he used his MS techs in konoha was to foreshadow sasuke's power, and his attitude in the future
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So your saying 2 regular tech's is most of the fight? Really….
Um, I said several, not seven. Obviously you're just skimming what I'm writing.I answered A above.
Please show links of sasuke using regular sword 7 times.
It was alot more MS then regular, techs and karin coaching him, honestly if you think about it current taka(sasuke and karin) vs team danzo (danzo, torune, fu) you really think sasuke would of won? But lets not think on that. As soon as danzo went to punch him he didnt even try to evade/block he went straight for susano. He hit him with amaterasu once, and no danzo did break tsuykiomi go look at OP, it wasnt because of his curse mark, because it happened afterwards, and sasuke broke his curse seal, so he could of broke it and kept going if it was because of his tsuyi. Tsukyi can only be broken, if you break the genjutsu, or get chakra surged into you. OP for support. Yes sasuke can't control it and his curse binding helped danzo, because your right he should of been gutted, but he wasnt but it was because of DANZO's tech not because of anyones saying. I'll give that to you, but anyone who gets hit with tsukyiomi, feels the affect of it whether partial or full. But danzo wasn't affected at all so his tsuyi failed, and was more on the lines of a regular genjutsu.
See sasuke vs Itachi, when itachi hit him with tsuyki.
I'm not sure you understand how MS and EMS works. EMS is MS, just without the blindness. Regardless, none of that changes anything I said.You realize he has only regular sharingan and EMS, he doesn't have MS anymore, because EMS has taken it over, because he has his brother eyes on his own, meaning he cant use regular MS, because he doesn't have his own light he has ETERNAL Light, and he burned his light out causing his MS to die, so now he only has sharingan and EMS. I know you'll say i have no proof, but my proof is this. Why would he use MS and burn out his eyes, if he has EMS, which has all of MS tech's and not burn out his eyes. Think about it?
First off, we do know that Madara used his MS quite a bit because he went blind faster then his brother did. Secondly, Sasuke didn't go blind against Kakashi. He was simply temporary affected by the aftereffects. If he had gone blind, then obviously he couldn't have had his little exchange with Naruto moments later, now could he.We don't know how long madara, had MS, before he went blind. Uchiha well at least madara, and sasuke are ran by hate. Itachi on the other hand and his mother wasn't they were very supportive, and there is always the alternate way to live, and his hate and lust for power caused them to go blind, but obvioulsy itachi saw a better path, and he had it for a while. Sasuke didnt' have MS nearly as long as either madara, or Itachi, and his mother was very supportive of sasuke.
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Itachi even shows his brother love even being an uchiha where they are supposedly "hate driven" itachi has more senju qualities love driven.
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Itachi getting into anbu:
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Him entering anbu: We can conclude since he just entered he was about 11-13: Basically when your anbu your a jonin: for all intents and purposes lets say 10: he was a jonin. We know at the age of 10 he was a chunnin.
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Itachi the night before or the night of he killed shishui for his eye:
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Parents supporting the secretive mission:
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Proof taking shishui's eye:
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Shishui's eyes being in a crow do i need to go get that really…
Itachi being in anbu for at least half a year: So lets say hes 11 and a half now at this age for intents and purpose.
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Itachi having MS between 11-12: he's still in leaf still in anbu:
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The awkward event was itachi's dad not knowing what to do with him.
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again MS before 13:
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For those saying sharingan makes you jonin: Observe the word master. Meaning 3 tomoe.
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Itachi probablby being 13 here left the village immediately:
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Itachi with all intents purposes here wanted to give sasuke the EMS: EMS= (MS brother/sister+MS brother/sister)
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according to Databook itachi died at 21….
and had his mangekyou at 12(wish i did the databook research earlier)
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If you compare itachi age vs sasuke:
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Itachi was 5 when sasuke was born.
Needless to say he fought kakashi when he was about 20-21 ad he had the MS for 8 years with light in his eyes.
Sasuke got his MS at 13 and went blind fighting kakashi. hes at oldest 14 and thats a stretch for me to believe according to databook, when he fought hachibi he's 13yrs and 6 months.
Sasuke probably had his for like 2 weeks - 2 months.
Madara, definitely isn't as rash as sasuke, we can tell by there personality difference, he wanted power but was more methodical and analytic sasuke wasn't. This being said sasuke burnt out his eyes within 2weeks-2months(i really think it was 2 weeks). Itachi and Madara had there for years and Sasuke used his MS techs what like 20 times. So with this proof i can say they didn't use their MS every chance they got. BOOYAH-KAH =D.
Itachi then fights sasuke again at well we know but he was suppose to get EMS.
Also madara is an edo and has EMS see above for details.
What exactly are you arguing? You're making a whole bunch of assumptions about what he should have seen or such with Izanagi, which clearly isn't how it works. You would note that Tobi didn't figure out what was up with Danzo either until well into the battle. So exactly why should Sasuke have known more when he didn't even know of Izanagi?As you see sasuke and itachi can both see chakra, it wouldnt matter if they were under or not under genjutsu, they can see the range of attacks, because they can see chakra
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Please stop making excuses, why he didn't know danzo was under genjutsu i know how inzangi works, and i know how the sharingan works, you probably didn't even read the op, the databook link, or the wiki leak, or the manga chapters i gave you. End of story, he can see chakra, so he can see the attack range of the genjutsu, and what it's effecting who its affecting, and chakra disturbances.
And no send me links to sasuke using 7 regualr techs against danzo i read the manga and didn't see it you have to show that to me thank you. I didn't ask for him breaking a wall, because i thought that was honestly funny you sent me a link of him breaking a wall when every nin can do that.
Chakra control and perception wouldn't allow him to defend against the attacks of Kages.He hardly uses his regular eyes if his eyes cant keep up he goes MS, he could get better chakra control and see better like naruto can in the terms of SPEED.
Also stop making excuses for him that he wasnt expecting a fight. He knew there be sensor nins there, because all of NarutoVerse's VIP's would be there and the only reason they didnt sense him earlier was, because danzo using shishui's eye see OP.
No the crow broke the edo… tensei spell. And i explained why he burned it ealier. He's an edo he doesn't have to obey the MS rules and regulations now his eyes heal stop being combative for combativeness sake, because your being illogical.
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Solo? Um, Akatsuki work in pairs. And no, people like the Kages aren't "everyday" people, even to Akatsuki. Deidara ran away when Naruto went three tails and Orochimaru brought two Edo Hokages for his fight against Sarutobi.To akatsuki People like A, and jinchuriki, and kages, are everyday people. It's what they do its who they take on, and if he wasn't ready to take them on, which akatsuki does because its what they do and its on the level they operate, and they do it SOLO. Then he shouldn't of joined and did some more research. See above in previous post. Deidara vs 3 tails. Oro vs konoha, and oro was in akatsuki.
And sasuke never had MS when he fought itachi, so his MS had no affect on itachi.
Madara stopped using susano for a long time and used mokuton clones and asked which do you prefer. and i agree he is playing around.
Give me links to danzo vs sasuke and his 7 taijutsu attacks regular or nin tech plz. I'm giving you links.
Clearly you don't understand what limitations are. A Edo summon being repaired has no effect towards limitations. So you didn't solve anything. As I pointed out, Hanzou was paralyzed by his own poison, Nidaime Mizukage was shown exhausted, and Itachi bleed when he used Amaterasu.I'm a answer this as simply as possible. If they were affected by physical limitations, when itachi was skewered by the cavern, or when ninja's were cut in half or destroyed. They wouldn't of been resurrected via edo tensei and have all their chakra back now would they? I think i solved that their. And do you see itachi holding his eye and rithing in pain like he used to no. His eye's just bleeds sasuke still does, just because they are edo's doesnt mean they dont feel fatigue, they do, but they get resurrected, after they die and reform and their chakra get renewed. See madara when he threw the meteor actually i'll get it for you.
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Look what he says does he even look tired him or Mu
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So yah i hardly see your point saying it means nothing that their edo's. It means alot… Next.
Um, there were implied quite a bit of people gained MS and EMS. Anyway, how would you explain C's comment about Sasuke's Amaterasu being better then Itachi's Amaterasu, which would only work if someone else had witness it beforehand.Only other people to unlock MS besides itachi and sasuke were Izuna, and Madara. And i proved my point earlier how many times did sasuke use ms techs. Yah….
Not an excuse and you can't claim he "would of been sense anyway" since they couldn't have used their abilities at the summit in the first place regularly. There's a reason Sasuke wasn't sense in the first place and not til C was right above him.Stop making excuses for him i explained he would of been sensed anyways so your point is mute. And he used like 4 physical moves maybe 3 and you count that as A MAJOR PART OF THE FIGHT, and yes you did see above i have everything you wrote quoted, and i saw that….
unless this part you werent talking about A give me the person your talking about you were being vauge with this and i assumed you was talking about A
Technically nothing. Chidori and Chidori Blade are ninjutsus and the genjutsu is obvious. And any attacks made with a blade would be considered kenjutsu, not taijutsu. So stop making things up.Alot of sasuke's tech's are taijutsu via kenjutsu and chidori. He rarely uses fire techs which are his long/midrange techs. and Lightning techs are mid range and he rarely used any so technically you did talk about taijutsu, because the tech's he used were taijutsu, and 1 failed genjutsu.
Show me the links please.
Where does it said that a weaker Sharingan would be able to see through even a regular genjutsu from a stronger Sharingan? Where does it said only Tsukuyomi would be able to affect the Sharingan? Because Sasuke proved that wrong already.If all the leaf would of came there, because kakashi has a 3 tomoe sharingan, and sharingan specifically allows you to see threw genjutsu if it isn't a MS+ tech and if it is messing with the viual sense aka visual genjutsu . I think you need to understand how genjutsu works, and the sharingan works. I know how inzanagi works.
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see Databook as well
Sharingan - Copying Wheel
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I'm not vague at all. Read better.Who did they fight alone be specific jeez so vague.
answered how he broke tsyukyi and im a show you sasuke when he experienced tsukyi because he was feeling the affects.
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You see him holding his eye right, obviously it had some affect. Sasuke's had no effect. next.
And sasuke has no issue, because he is rash and doesnt think about the consequences, how long did it take him to lose his light. Also you realize kishi didn't allow danzo to use shishui's eye, because he could of told sasuke to kill himself with genjutsu and he would of easy as that. So no kishi did sasuke a favor.
It was one after the other in quick response with no rest. And he didn't get healed twice. Given more chakra, yes, but healed, no.Until it was like 5 kages vs madara you cant say that. Because it wasnt that scenario it was separate 1 kage vs sasuke at a time, and he got healed 2x.. Please… the manga is there. go read it yourself you cant compare all 5 at once vs 5 at seperate times completely not getting involved just give it a break.
oh yes you dont see karin coaching sasuke, or Tobi using S/T to save him from the explosion get real. Please tell me how sasuke escaped this because he doesnt have S/T and even tobi infers he saved him please…
FYI: His eyes has been in MS mode since this: and this fight continues like 3m more chapters Please.
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The start of her helping analyze danzo fight to give advice to sasuke:
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Karin coaching so sasuke can make a random dodge
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Karin's coaching continued:
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I pretty sure I'm not the one who needs to thoroughly analyze the reading.Everything i explained i think you need to throughly analyze what your reading:
Thank you for playing.
Before, I make another ungodly long post. I want you to read everything i posted and everything you posted allowed, look at it from the outside, and not just to prove yourself right.More experience then Asuma and Kurenai? Clearly he wasn't in a rush because he had no trouble standing there and exchanging regular techniques with Kakashi beforehand and as mentioned, he hadn't even been going all out when he did it. And why tell Kisame to hang back if it was such an important situation. No, that wasn't a life threatening situation at all, no more then any situation Sasuke used his in.
How was it vague when you knew who I was speaking of? I haven't twisted anything I originally claimed. And as pointed out before, being an Edo summon doesn't mean he's free of the effects. Otherwise his eyes wouldn't bleed when he uses Amaterasu, now would they?
How was Amaterasu necessary when he had regular fire techniques he could have used. And again, you stated "life threatening situations", not "situations where it was necessary".
A transformed Jinchuuriki. He didn't employ Tsukuyomi til Kirabi manifested his cloak and Amaterasu til Kirabi transformed into the Hachibi. I didn't mention Mifune because I was specifically listing situations where Sasuke's life was threaten, which you claimed were the only times MS should be used.
Madara and Izuna gain their MS at the same time. Madara was nearly blind while Izuna could still see.
And no, you're not proven right. You're changing your argument. You claim that MS techniques were suppose to be used in threatening situations. You said nothing about not using them because of blindness. Either it's they shouldn't be used because one could go blind or they shouldn't be used except in dangerous situations.
What does their difference in fighting style have to do with anything I claimed? You're changing your argument once again. Sasuke has always been a straight forward blitzer with a touch of deception, even before he gain MS. Itachi's fighting style is unique to him, not some Uchiha standard as we clearly saw from Madara when he first began to fight during the war. No deception, he jumped right into the fry with speed and ninjutsu. Same with Obito.
I don't understand how you can misquote what I said when you're showing the quotes themselves? I never claim it was "most of the battle". As you have shown, I said he used his regular techniques til he saw how strong Ae was and needed to switch to MS.
Um, I said several, not seven. Obviously you're just skimming what I'm writing.
Um, Karin wasn't "coaching" him. 8 regular attacks vs 5 MS attacks? Clearly it was more regular then MS. Danzo was still show within the genjutsu when Sasuke was affected by the seal. If he broke it, the flames of the genjutsu wouldn't have been shown. And it was outright pointed out why Sasuke's Tsukuyomi didn't work, because he lacked the temporal manipulation that Itachi had, which meant his genjutsu took place in real world time as oppose to all within a second like with Itachi.
I'm not sure you understand how MS and EMS works. EMS is MS, just without the blindness. Regardless, none of that changes anything I said.
First off, we do know that Madara used his MS quite a bit because he went blind faster then his brother did. Secondly, Sasuke didn't go blind against Kakashi. He was simply temporary affected by the aftereffects. If he had gone blind, then obviously he couldn't have had his little exchange with Naruto moments later, now could he.
What exactly are you arguing? You're making a whole bunch of assumptions about what he should have seen or such with Izanagi, which clearly isn't how it works. You would note that Tobi didn't figure out what was up with Danzo either until well into the battle. So exactly why should Sasuke have known more when he didn't even know of Izanagi?
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Chakra control and perception wouldn't allow him to defend against the attacks of Kages.
Where was it shown he knew there would be sensors there? You're making a wild assumption. And no, you're the one who made the claim that MS was only meant for threatening situations. Now you've change it to whenever there's no ill effect...
Solo? Um, Akatsuki work in pairs. And no, people like the Kages aren't "everyday" people, even to Akatsuki. Deidara ran away when Naruto went three tails and Orochimaru brought two Edo Hokages for his fight against Sarutobi.
Itachi's MS was what I referred to. Madara didn't stop using Susanoo for a long time. He stopped for a moment and then soon reactivate it.
Clearly you don't understand what limitations are. A Edo summon being repaired has no effect towards limitations. So you didn't solve anything. As I pointed out, Hanzou was paralyzed by his own poison, Nidaime Mizukage was shown exhausted, and Itachi bleed when he used Amaterasu.
Itachi didn't always "hold his eye and writhe with pain" when using Amaterasu.You must be registered for see links. Nothing at all suggest that their chakra get's renewed. And even if you're argument was true, it would only work if Itachi's eyes got destroyed, otherwise they wouldn't be renewed. So either way, my point remains.
Um, there were implied quite a bit of people gained MS and EMS. Anyway, how would you explain C's comment about Sasuke's Amaterasu being better then Itachi's Amaterasu, which would only work if someone else had witness it beforehand.
Not an excuse and you can't claim he "would of been sense anyway" since they couldn't have used their abilities at the summit in the first place regularly. There's a reason Sasuke wasn't sense in the first place and not til C was right above him.
No I didn't. I know exactly what I wrote. If you think otherwise, then quote and bold it. And I linked you right to when he used his Chidori Blade against Ae.
Technically nothing. Chidori and Chidori Blade are ninjutsus and the genjutsu is obvious. And any attacks made with a blade would be considered kenjutsu, not taijutsu. So stop making things up.
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Where does it said that a weaker Sharingan would be able to see through even a regular genjutsu from a stronger Sharingan? Where does it said only Tsukuyomi would be able to affect the Sharingan? Because Sasuke proved that wrong already.
I'm not vague at all. Read better.
Um, Sasuke didn't hold his eye because he was effected, he held it because he broke it.You must be registered for see links. He didn't lose his light, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to see Naruto afterward, much less have an exchange with him. And you're presuming Sasuke wouldn't have broken it just like he did Itachi's Tsukuyomi...
It was one after the other in quick response with no rest. And he didn't get healed twice. Given more chakra, yes, but healed, no.
How does a fruitless attack by Karin that merely ends up with her being kicked mean anything towards Sasuke getting help? Um, Karin thinking about it herself is in no way coaching Sasuke. Sasuke figured out Izanagi himself,You must be registered for see links.You must be registered for see links.You must be registered for see links. And Tobi didn't save Sasuke from being sucked in,You must be registered for see links. Sasuke got clear before Tobi got halfway underground.
I pretty sure I'm not the one who needs to thoroughly analyze the reading.
Sorry, even if i show and hide the info it be uber long.TL;DR