Who is more powerful in base form?

[salamander uchiha]

Don't confuse me with yourself. You are the person who has chosen to ignore this scene -

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- page 11. The scene where the seal toad, who part of the seal and the character Kishi used to explain how the seal, tell us how the seal works. He said that seal allows for a little amount of the 9 tails chakra to leak out in hopes of combining with Naruto's chakra. Not only is Kishi saying only a little amount of the 9 tails chakra leaks out but there is not guarantee the chakra that leak out with combine with Naruto's chakra, proving Naruto huge amount of charka doesn't come from the 9 tail. Naruto didn't know how the seal works or how much chakra he receives from the 9 tail prior to this. A little amount of anything doesn't equal to a huge amount.

This is where you fail the toad using might here doesn't negate it taking place, it's a rethorical device. Anyway Jiraiya confirmed that Naruto's and the 9 tails chakra mixes and it wasn't mixing properly because Orochimaru placed an odd numbered seal on Naruto's.

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Jiraiya disagrees with you, he knows how the seal works and explains the mechanics of the seal. And the 9 tails chakra mixing with Naruto's. Jiraiya is a direct witness to what is happening as he's observing with his own eyes.

Kakashi confirms that the influence of the 9 tails makes Naruto's stamina(constituent parts of chakra) massive.

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Kakashi confirms the same.

As for a little of the 9 tails chakra mixing then you're more confused than I thought. Kakashi confirmed the 9 tails full chakra allows 100 times Naruto's current level. 1% of the 9 tails chakra is a little and would give Naruto the 4 times Kakashi level chakra he possesses. Yes I know your fanfic got wrecked again as is often does.

You ignored that chapter and scene and only look at this chapter and scene -

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- page 11. Because you failed to comprehend that scene you think Naruto's huge chakra comes from the 9 tails which doesn't make any scene. Naruto has been receiving charka from the 9 tails but it's too little to give him a huge amount of chakra. The first chapter/scene I posted proves that.

Aleady explained above 1% of the 9 tails chakra is 4 times Kakashi which is a little of the 9 tails chakra. Like I said Naruto confirms he has a lot of his own chakra because he's been receiving the 9 tails chakra his whole life. Kakashi made him utter that statement coupled with what I've already proven via the manganese means Naruto has a lot of chakra because of the 9 tails. You fail to grasp such thing because you don't read holistically, once you do you're confusion will be cleared provided you leave your fan boy bias at the door.

It's simple, if you have 50 millions dollars and you are given 25,000 then technically you have received more money and it does increases your total amount of money but it's not the reason you are rich.

Leave the kiddy logic at the door since we're using relatives we measure in percentages or fractions. Before that we need an established start point and an established end point.

Kakashi = 1(average)
Naruto =4(4 times Kakashi)
9 tails = (100 times Naruto or 400 times Kakashi).
1% of 9 tails =(a little of it's chakra) = Naruto's = 4 times Kakashi's.

Don't come back with fanfic mate these are facts

 

[Animegoin]

You are trying to tell us that Madara is in base form when he attacks Sage mode Naruto yet he has sage's charka and 1st hokage body power, Ok.

You claim my statement is fanfic when you haven't provide a single page showing that base Naruto couldn't handle MS Shin.

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In chapter base Naruto is fighting and beating MS Shin.

Naruto receiving a kick from fuse Momo that he was able to easliy recover from doesn't equal to being wrecked.

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-Lmfao still ignoring Hashirama’s own words.

-Still failed to address that Naruto genjutsu fanfic, I see. Lmfao coward. Aside from that, I have proved it.

-I’m not going to keep repeating myself, you’ve lost. You’re providing manga links as if I didn’t just tell you what happened.

 

[Darkakatsuki]

I would say base Hashirama because he can still use wood Dragon and wood golem while Naruto's biggest fort-in base- is rasenshuriken.

You mean cho odama rasenshuriken.

 

[Darkakatsuki]

And Hashirama's evaluation was that he was no match. War Arc Naruto's base is not even comparable to Adult Naruto's as the differences between the two are a gift from the Sage and over a decade of years. I don't even believe War Arc Naruto had any base feats opposed to Adult Naruto who's caught Kawaki and fought an Otsutsuki.

War arc Naruto made a cho odama rasenshuriken and also was able to make two rasenshurikens, one on each hand, in that same scene he has clones make two rasenshurikens (one on each hand), all in base mode.

Taijutsu wise no I didn't see any noteworthy base feats in the war arc but recently he held his own against Momoshiki in base mode (was being pushed back but not severely outclassed).

The current base Naruto I would say would hold his own easily against base Hashirama. I can't say who would win though.

 

[Darkakatsuki]

This is the same guy who denies the manga when it suits him. Naruto stated(paraphrased) he has plenty of his own chakra because he's been receiving Kurama's chakra his whole life. But shadow says "that's not true, how would Naruto know." Looks lile Kishi makes characters say things for the heck of it and not to give us detail.

Sometimes you can make an argument against something said by a character in a manga. I believe it is called character perspective. Characters are like real people, or at least that is what any good author tries to portray in his work and therefore characters have their own personal biases and also are sometimes subject to misconceptions where they make uninformed statements.

I'll give you a simple example. When Naruto returned and had the bell test with Kakashi again. He said that Kakashi has a better nose/sense of smell than an Inuzuka like Kiba.

But how would Naruto have known that? He had been gone for three years, so would he have known how Kiba had developed over those three years? Case in point his statement was proven to be utter trash because when they were tracking Sasuke Kiba showed the ability to track someone with his nose even if they used a space-time ninjutsu to get away. This is right after Kakashi said that he and his ninken would not be able to track Sasuke because he used a space-time ninjutsu.

Raikage A said that Minato was the greatest ninja of all time, but Orochimaru claimed that Hiruzen was God of Shinobi and Strongest of all the Hokage. Again, personal bias. Orochimaru was praising his sensei, of course he thinks his sensei is the strongest. Raikage fought and lost badly to Minato over the years, so he thought Minato was the greatest. Again, personal bias. None of these statements can be taken at face value (although Minato has facts backing him like being the only ninja to ever have flee on sight order on him).

One more example. When Kabuto fought Tsunade in part 1 and was beating her easily. He literally begged her to up her game because her performance was a slight to Orochimaru, who is associated as being her equal by association of being a sannin. Kabuto also claimed that Hiruzen was the strongest of the five kage despite his old age when he couldn't have possibly known that with certainty. Both Hiruzen and Tsunade are associated with the guy he worshiped (Orochimaru) by being sensei and sibling student/fellow sannin. So anyone associated with Orochimaru had to be the best, at the pinnacle of shinobi in Kabuto's eyes, which is why he was so disappointed in Tsunade and literally begged her to raise her game.

Just like Naruto was biased in his evaluation of Kakashi's abilities and sprouting nonsense like he has a better nose than Kiba among other things (better intelligence than Shikamaru even though he relied on Shikamaru to come up with a plan when they took on Kakuzu and Hidan and in the war arc Shikamaru took over intelligence when his father died). Or he has better taijutsu than Lee according to Naruto (again he hadn't seen Lee for three years and could not have known how good he was at that point). Kakashi is Naruto's sensei therefore personal bias and praise for his sensei.

So my point is, yes you can argue against statements of characters because they have personal bias and are limited to their own knowledge or lack of it (ie Kakashi claiming rinnegan is just an random abnormality or mutation).

Of course in the case you presented Naruto would obvious know about his own chakra so you can't really argue against that, but I just wanted to point out that not everything a character says is manga fact.

 

[Darkakatsuki]

This is where you fail the toad using might here doesn't negate it taking place, it's a rethorical device. Anyway Jiraiya confirmed that Naruto's and the 9 tails chakra mixes and it wasn't mixing properly because Orochimaru placed an odd numbered seal on Naruto's.

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Jiraiya disagrees with you, he knows how the seal works and explains the mechanics of the seal. And the 9 tails chakra mixing with Naruto's. Jiraiya is a direct witness to what is happening as he's observing with his own eyes.

Kakashi confirms that the influence of the 9 tails makes Naruto's stamina(constituent parts of chakra) massive.

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Kakashi confirms the same.

As for a little of the 9 tails chakra mixing then you're more confused than I thought. Kakashi confirmed the 9 tails full chakra allows 100 times Naruto's current level. 1% of the 9 tails chakra is a little and would give Naruto the 4 times Kakashi level chakra he possesses. Yes I know your fanfic got wrecked again as is often does.



Aleady explained above 1% of the 9 tails chakra is 4 times Kakashi which is a little of the 9 tails chakra. Like I said Naruto confirms he has a lot of his own chakra because he's been receiving the 9 tails chakra his whole life. Kakashi made him utter that statement coupled with what I've already proven via the manganese means Naruto has a lot of chakra because of the 9 tails. You fail to grasp such thing because you don't read holistically, once you do you're confusion will be cleared provided you leave your fan boy bias at the door.



Leave the kiddy logic at the door since we're using relatives we measure in percentages or fractions. Before that we need an established start point and an established end point.

Kakashi = 1(average)
Naruto =4(4 times Kakashi)
9 tails = (100 times Naruto or 400 times Kakashi).
1% of 9 tails =(a little of it's chakra) = Naruto's = 4 times Kakashi's.

Don't come back with fanfic mate these are facts

Dude that was the Zabuza arc when Naruto had four times Kakashi's chakra. Vote 1 Naruto would have had way more than that and I don't even wana talk about shippuden Naruto or war arc Naruto. There is no comparison whatsoever.

You can't tell me that Naruto had the same chakra as kid Naruto did that's ridiculous. Adult Naruto probably has 100 times more chakra than Kakashi in base.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Dude that was the Zabuza arc when Naruto had four times Kakashi's chakra. Vote 1 Naruto would have had way more than that and I don't even wana talk about shippuden Naruto or war arc Naruto. There is no comparison whatsoever.

You can't tell me that Naruto had the same chakra as kid Naruto did that's ridiculous. Adult Naruto probably has 100 times more chakra than Kakashi in base.

Re-read the manga you obviously don't know what you're mistaken. Kid Naruto from Zabuza arc didn't have 4 times Kakashi's chakra it was Naruto who was training razen shuriken.