Who is more powerful in base form?
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Didn’t naruto throw a rasenshuriken in base in The Last? I’m pretty sure he even curved the trajectory mid flight if I remember that right.
But yeah, seeing how base naruto performed against momoshiki I think he would stomp hashi. All his wood jutsu don’t mean a thing if he can’t catch naruto with them, and I don’t think he’d stand a chance of catching naruto unless he used sage mode to amp up his wood style and if hashi uses sage mode then that opens sage mode up to naruto as well
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Klubargutan
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I don't understand the "base" mode?
Means no sage mode? Or no sage mode + Kurama(makes much more sense)?
Hashirama in both I'd say....
Means no sage mode? Or no sage mode + Kurama(makes much more sense)?
Hashirama in both I'd say....
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Madara with no eyes >>>>>> Sage Mode Naruto. So obviously EMS Madara > Base Naruto in literally every facet. Nice try though.
OT: Hashirama negs Base Naruto. And those that try and compare Fused Momoshiki to Juubito are insane. One Wood Dragon would drain Naruto dry.
Azarath Metrion Zinthos
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Which base Naruto is this again? The one that fought Momoshiki and didn't get blitzed or the one that got negged by Madara literally over a decade ago?
The same Naruto that went KCM against kid Shin right off the bat and the one that had to tap into the Kyuubi’s power to threaten the other Shin clones in their hideout. That one that was sent through a wall from 1 kick by basic Momo and was out for a while...which is also the one that caught a swift kick again from fused Momo and realized he had to transform. And again, Momoshiki really isn’t a powerful opponent when compared to Juubito.
Base Naruto is stronger.
Yes, Naruto is stronger.
That was Madara with Sage's chakra and Hashirama's body power.
The same Naruto who rescued Sadara in base mode and was too fast and powerful for Shin so he used his MS. Naruto used a stronger mode but only to protect the children against an unknown power. The same Naruto that used Kyuubi to create a genjutsu to quickly and easily stop the shins from fighting that he was already easlying beating in base mode, that way he wouldn't hurt the Shins since they were nothing but confused children. The same Naruto who base Momo attack had zero effects on him, who later on fought fused Momo where he was powerful enough to block, evade (twice) fuse Momo's attack before Momo was finally able to hit Naruto that had zero effect. That same fuse Momo who was fast and powerful enough to easy hit and take out EMS/rinnegan Sasuke who used his S/T jutsu to attack him from the rear while he was distracted.
Yes, Naruto is stronger.
MissingFUCKINGnin
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Wrong, Madara didn’t have Hashirama’s Sage Mode when he blitzed Sage Mode Naruto. Also, Hashirama himself attested that Madara was regaining his old strength even after Madara had taken Hashirama’s Senjutsu. Don’t worry though, I’ll give you a few more tries.
And you literally said nothing that refutes what I’d said, you tried to justify Naruto’s base weakness while still admitting that he had to power up lol. Also Naruto didn’t cast a genjutsu on Shin, Shin’s doujutsu allowed him to see Kurama the same way Sasuke saw Kurama within Naruto. And WOW, he blocked one hit, dodged then got flying from a kick, then he dodged again and was about to be flattened. and Lmfao @ “Fused Momoshiki’s attack had zero effect on Naruto.” Nice fanfic, the sheer thought of Naruto fearing to be hit by Momoshiki’s fist forced Naruto to power up. Sasuke was getting rag dolled by Kinshinki alone, so terrible idea trying to compare Sasuke to Naruto at this point. Lmao
Yes, Hashirama is stronger.
For Madara to have gained the rinnegan he had to combine Sage's sons chakra together. His chakra and Hashirama gave his Sage's chakra not sage mode, there is a different. That is the chakra possesses. You have failed to understand that.
Im not making excusses becasue base Naruto is not weak. I showed you the reason he used his stronger mode that you have chosen to omitt because it hurts your claim. Naruto being strong in base apparently causes some trigger in your mind. It will be ok, this is just a work of fiction.
The part you chose to omitt is important. You don't want to only read part of a stroy, read the whole thing. The manga shows use the reason he used his stronger mode, that was to protect the children against an unknown enemy not because he was weak. One of the hokage's responsiblity is to protect people from his village. Naruto showed us when he recused Sadara he could have taken out shin out at that time.
Naruto evading and blocking fuse Momo attack is a big deal when compaired to what he did against Sasuke and the kage. That fact his attacks had no effect on Naruot shows us he is powerful. Your claim that Naruto was scare is the only fanfic.
salamander uchiha
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-You’re trying to ignore that Hashirama blatantly stated that Madara was regaining his old strength. You failed to comprehend that Madara had always been physically capable of doing what he’d done prior to obtaining Six Paths chakra , except for creating the chakra rods; which wreck Sage Mode Naruto. Keep crying about it.
-You were making ‘excusses becasus’ base Naruto is weak. I showed you the reasons why he HAD TO power up and the points you brought up only validated my argument, which destroyed your fanfic. You also said that base Naruto was too fast and powerful for Shin, which is also untrue. Kid Shin clearly proved that Naruto’s base wasn’t enough if he decided to use his Mangekyou sharingan. But the Shin clones in the cave weren’t using their Mangekyou sharingan techniques, which is why he could handle those children in his base form. I also noticed you omitted the portion addressing your fanfic about Naruto’s genjutsu, too. Hopefully you’ll address these facts in your next response. Don’t get too triggered, now.
-Lmfao fail. Like I said, Base Naruto got wrecked and couldn’t lay a finger on Momoshiki. He was on the defense the entire time and was still losing terribly. Naruto was terrified of taking that hit Momoshiki had prepared for him (as he should’ve been, as weak as he was) which caused him to powerup. While Naruto was protecting the children, he was also protecting himself because he knew he couldn’t take Shin in base.
-Piss poor fanfic, much like your Naruto genjutsu bs you mentioned earlier. Again, comparing Sasuke to Naruto is a desperate and terrible reach because Sasuke too, got wrecked by Shin...but uniquely to him, Kinshiki also. To finish up this trivial debate in which you’ve clearly lost, base Naruto’s defense against Fused Momoshiki isn’t amazing in any way, shape or form.
salamander uchiha
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This is the same guy who denies the manga when it suits him. Naruto stated(paraphrased) he has plenty of his own chakra because he's been receiving Kurama's chakra his whole life. But shadow says "that's not true, how would Naruto know." Looks lile Kishi makes characters say things for the heck of it and not to give us detail.
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King Of Pop
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Terrible post overall but here especially is just.... wow
Firstly Jin Obito>>Momoshiki. Its high time you people stop overrating this post manga villains. Gaara was capable of reacting well enough to him by putting up his defense before momoshiki could strike whereas Jin obito blitzed Kcm naruto(and Ems sasuke), same kcm who can react to Ay top speed and avoid him, same Ay who is far superior to Gaara in speed and as stated Gaara reacted to momoshiki. Obito can also strike and cut off the arm of KCM minato before the latter can warp away. Not to mention it was a hashirama clone that obito blized
Secondly Base Naruto did not go toe to toe. He blocked one hit, dodged another and then got decked swifly, thats not going toe to toe, that's being put on the defensive and getting destroyed. Blocking one hit is not anywhere near enough feat to be mentioned as a game changer here
Lastly (and this goes to the other wankers bringijg up this feat) this is all even irrelevant! The thread asks who is stronger overall and not simply in physical ability. So naruto strength and speed is meaningless. Hashirama doesn't need to beat him in CQC to win
Base hashirama can summon constructs capable of catching madaras ps sword slash while tanking Tbb. He has a defense (five layer Rashomon) capable of deflecting tbb. a combination of Mokujin, wood dragon and his wood golem rape naruto. Not debatable. His rasengans and Frs are tanked with ease and he is not fast enough to escape hashirama jutsus unless anyone can provide a speed feat that allow naruto do this.
Base Hashirama>Kcm naruto>Sm naruto>Base naruto
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You are trying to tell us that Madara is in base form when he attacks Sage mode Naruto yet he has sage's charka and 1st hokage body power, Ok.
You claim my statement is fanfic when you haven't provide a single page showing that base Naruto couldn't handle MS Shin.
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In chapter base Naruto is fighting and beating MS Shin.Naruto receiving a kick from fuse Momo that he was able to easliy recover from doesn't equal to being wrecked.
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Don't confuse me with yourself. You are the person who has chosen to ignore this scene -
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- page 11. The scene where the seal toad, who part of the seal and the character Kishi used to explain how the seal, tell us how the seal works. He said that seal allows for a little amount of the 9 tails chakra to leak out in hopes of combining with Naruto's chakra. Not only is Kishi saying only a little amount of the 9 tails chakra leaks out but there is not guarantee the chakra that leak out with combine with Naruto's chakra, proving Naruto huge amount of charka doesn't come from the 9 tail. Naruto didn't know how the seal works or how much chakra he receives from the 9 tail prior to this. A little amount of anything doesn't equal to a huge amount. You ignored that chapter and scene and only look at this chapter and scene -
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- page 11. Because you failed to comprehend that scene you think Naruto's huge chakra comes from the 9 tails which doesn't make any scene. Naruto has been receiving charka from the 9 tails but it's too little to give him a huge amount of chakra. The first chapter/scene I posted proves that. It's simple, if you have 50 millions dollars and you are given 25,000 then technically you have received more money and it does increases your total amount of money but it's not the reason you are rich.