Was Tobirama a curse upon the shinobi world?

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Noo noo noo

Confirmed Games, Movies, Filler eps all cannon because kishi approves of them, Thanks for setting me straight salafiller, can't wait to see mecha naruto in boruto!
So denial is your way out of it then. Your obviously have a one track mind and are not objective. I explained how each is approved and for what purpose yet you deny canon novels which add back story. If your saying the games are as canon as the novels what back story do they add or what story do the fillers add except buy time for the author to finish the next phase.
The novels fall into a different category altogether and I repeat written by members of his manga team.
But it's evident your a :salt:y fapboy so I'm not going to entertain your delusions any longer.
 

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So denial is your way out of it then. Your obviously have a one track mind and are not objective. I explained how each is approved and for what purpose yet you deny canon novels which add back story. If your saying the games are as canon as the novels what back story do they add or what story do the fillers add except buy time for the author to finish the next phase.
The novels fall into a different category altogether and I repeat written by members of his manga team.
But it's evident your a :salt:y fapboy so I'm not going to entertain your delusions any longer.
Enjoying all the work in Narutoverse is one thing. Insisting that a work done by another writer which isn't always in line with facts stated in manga shouldn't be used to critic a character in the original work. If you do you must let people know that you are analyzing the character based on someone else' work.
 

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Enjoying all the work in Narutoverse is one thing. Insisting that a work done by another writer which isn't always in line with facts stated in manga shouldn't be used to critic a character in the original work. If you do you must let people know that you are analyzing the character based on someone else' work.
Someone else's work I've made it clear it's written by ammeter of kishi's manga team. And it doesn't contradict mangafacts your saying it's not online with mangafacts which it is. The novel adds back story the missing parts of the characters back story. Anyway I'm not going to repeat myself for further details read back over what was said.
 

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So denial is your way out of it then. Your obviously have a one track mind and are not objective. I explained how each is approved and for what purpose yet you deny canon novels which add back story. If your saying the games are as canon as the novels what back story do they add or what story do the fillers add except buy time for the author to finish the next phase.
The novels fall into a different category altogether and I repeat written by members of his manga team.
But it's evident your a :salt:y fapboy so I'm not going to entertain your delusions any longer.
If Novels are to be considered canon then games too. Asuma was introduced as Sarutobi in Games first. :|
 

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Someone else's work I've made it clear it's written by ammeter of kishi's manga team. And it doesn't contradict mangafacts your saying it's not online with mangafacts which it is. The novel adds back story the missing parts if you call it.
In the manga Uchiha quarters are in the village. You say they are outside in the manga. That's contradiction.

Konoha maps in the games too seem to show Uchiha campus within the village beside Hyuuga quarters. In fact all the maps I found on google showed them within. the ones drawn by Kishi too don't show any Uchiha structure outside of the village.
 
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In the manga Uchiha quarters are in the village. You say they are outside in the manga. That's contradiction. Konoha maps in the game show Uchiha campus within the village beside Hyuuga quarters.
No they're not outside the uchiha are surrounded on all sides according to the novels. What on earth makes you think Danzo would allow them to be outside the village from where they'd pose a greater threat to konoha and would be out of his reach.
They were excluded from government and involvement in the village affairs.
 

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Games don't give back story of characters and aren't written by members of kishi's manga team. That's a really weak argument to dismiss canon novels.
That's lame. Fanfictions, Doujinshies, light novels based on original work by another author are not original work no matter how much back story they add.

No they're not outside the uchiha are surrounded on all sides according to the novels. What on earth makes you think Danzo would allow them to be outside the village from where they'd pose a greater threat to konoha and would be out of his reach.
They were excluded from government and involvement in the village affairs.
It's a village in a circular shape. Everyone is surrounded by other people. If you are surrounded by everyone , how are you isolated from them and demanding same compound?

Itachi and Shisui were in ANBU. Kagami Uchiha was working with Tobirama so the claim that they were not allowed to do anything else beside police work is not 100% truth either.

They still maybe discriminated as in having to prove themselves more than others to get in to higher position. That's my speculation based on what Obito suggested. But Obito was also trying to manipulate Sasuke with twisted facts. e.g. He didn't tell him that it was him who was responsible for Kyubi attack, Uchihas were suspected for.

So unfortunate as it is the distrust of Konoha towards Uchihas after Minato's death was not totally unreasonable though on part of Uchiha their resentment was justified too. It was a misunderstanding resulted because of mysterious Kyuubi attack and it's results.

Manga doesn't have that kind of normal villains who can be blamed for the chaos unilaterally. Kishi brought an alien non human creature for that.
 
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It's a village in a circular shape. Everyone is surrounded by other people.
There's no contradiction when your gathered from wherever you may be and put in 1 spot in fact they where moved to the place they originated from where their Nakano shrine was where Sasuke visits with Orochimaru. This is in no way against the manga. Being surrounded and being put in 1 place not being allowed to live where you like which the others clans can do was the objection of the uchiha.
Anyway you stated the novel said they where moved outside the village the novel never said that. So where's the contradiction?
 

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That's lame. Fanfictions, Doujinshies, light novels based on original work by another author are not original work no matter how much back story they add.
Your putting canon novels (by the a others own manga team) alongside fanfics (made by fans) doujinshi (works of amateurs not related to the author). Does the author also illustrate those fanfics and dojinshi approving of them?
 

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It's a village in a circular shape. Everyone is surrounded by other people. If you are surrounded by everyone , how are you isolated from them and demanding same compound?

Itachi and Shisui were in ANBU. Kagami Uchiha was working with Tobirama so the claim that they were not allowed to do anything else beside police work is not 100% truth either.

So unfortunate as it is the distrust of Konoha towards Uchihas after Minato's death was not totally unreasonable though on part of Uchiha their resentment was justified too. It was a misunderstanding resulted because of mysterious Kyuubi attack and it's results.

Manga doesn't have that kind of normal villains who can be blamed for the chaos unilaterally. Kishi brought an alien non human creature for that.
None of those claims are made in the novel. The novel says the Uchiha were rounded up and forced to live in a compound whereas other clans could live where they like not just their compounds.

The novel says that the Uchiha did have other jobs even during the Shinobi war they fought in them. The police wouldn't be fighting in the wars it was once those wars were over the Uchiha were returned back to police duties.

The novel says they the uchiha were restricted from having higher offices. I'll spell it out for you they were excluded from Hokage selection even though they had skilled shinobi among them. They were excluded from the government of the village or village affairs.

Itachi and Shisui joining the anbu according to the novel was because Danzo didn't want to waste Itachi's talents and could use him to spy on Fugaku and the uchiha. None of that contradicts the manga.

The novel doesn't make such a claims either.
 

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Your putting canon novels (by the a others own manga team) alongside fanfics (made by fans) doujinshi (works of amateurs not related to the author). Does the author also illustrate those fanfics and dojinshi approving of them?
What role Takashi Yano had in his manga team? Source?

He was writing light novel for Assassin Creed before writing Naruto novels.
 

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None of those claims are made in the novel. The novel says the Uchiha were rounded up and forced to live in a compound whereas other clans could live where they like not just their compounds.

The novel says that the Uchiha did have other jobs even during the Shinobi war they fought in them. The police wouldn't be fighting in the wars it was once those wars were over the Uchiha were returned back to police duties.

The novel says they the uchiha were restricted from having higher offices. I'll spell it out for you they were excluded from Hokage selection even though they had skilled shinobi among them. They were excluded from the government of the village or village affairs.

Itachi and Shisui joining the anbu according to the novel was because Danzo didn't want to waste Itachi's talents and could use him to spy on Fugaku and the uchiha. None of that contradicts the manga.

The novel doesn't make such a claims either.
What Hokage selection. Hashirama, Tobirama had no competition. Third was challenged by Danzou and defeated when he became one. and Uchiha's rebelled in his times and died.

If Fugaku rebelled just because he didn't like Minato being nominated then he could challenge Minato just like Danzou. or wait and see. But starting a civil war over it would ruin the village and his own chances of becoming anything but a mercenary for rest of his life along with his clan. Kushina seemed to be friendly with Sasuke's mom. You are suggesting Sasuke's mom probably didn't return the feeling and resented her position.

Besides Minato was encouraging Obito to become hokage and he had a fair chance if things didn't go south. The very fact that Obito wanted to be a hokage and no one told him he couldn't says it was not that much of a policy. Unless you think Minato was the kind to make one like that. It would be out of character for Minato.

So how it doesn't makes one question the novel?
 

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It was stated in the manga that the Uchiha wanted peace.

But Tobirama ruined everything.

:kk:

Haters shouldn't be calling anyone bias here, when all they do is bash the Uchiha and agree to the genocide of those who were innocent.

:coffee:
 

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If that's your excuse then live by it. I do hope in kishi's next interview (if their is one) he's asked about the status of the novels.
If he says yes he must be asked to answer my question regarding the contradiction. And not let him get away with polite nods.

Also you are yet to tell me where it's stated that, that novel writer was art of the manga team and what was his role in the manga creation?

Haters shouldn't be calling anyone bias here,]
Then why are you posting against your own advice?
 
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If he says yes he must be asked to answer my question regarding the contradiction. And not let him get away with polite nods.



Then why are you posting against your own advice?
Really Ira? The manga stated the UCHIHA WANTED PEACE!

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>Tobirama kicked them to the outskirts of the village

>Rejected their governmental rights as Co-Founders

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Tobirama ruined everything. How is what I said was biased, when it's in the manga?

:lol
 
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