Reviewing Logic
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Tobirama a man of science basing his Uchiha logic on some heard rumors
smh that was his flaw
but the biggest scum is still Hiruzen
smh that was his flaw
but the biggest scum is still Hiruzen
Was Tobirama a curse upon the shinobi world?
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Small instances of some people having close bonds with the Uchiha does not cross out the bigger picture. Just because some Uchiha's had bonds with non-Uchiha's didnt mean the clan as a whole trusted outsiders. Little exceptions don't change bigger pictures.
I get that the Uchiha being discriminated against sort of kills your underdog boner for Naruto but try to accept manga facts.
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All you are doing is giving me obito's story in a sequence he was proven to have lied.
So because Rin is his friend, any other discrimination from the village is void and a lie? If you read the novels, Itachi get's flak from his friends for being an Uchiha, a result of the Kyuubi attack. The Uchiha weren't allowed to help during the attack, and rather than letting the village know, the Elders withheld that information, causing more distrust and animosity between the two sides.
The manga states that the Uchiha were discriminated against, hell they were the founders along with the Senju and weren't allowed in THEIR own village's seats of power. Money and generations sacrificed for a village that you created, but said village won't even let you run it.
You want the Senju and everything Naruto stands for to be right. You can't possibly comprehend the idea of the Uchiha being respected but not actually liked. You wan't Naruto to remain the underdog, to be the only one who was hated. The Uchiha were not liked, this is a fact. Small relationships between Uchiha's and non-Uchiha's don't negate the bigger picture.
Just because my great-grandfather had a mixed child with a black woman doesn't mean it was allowed during his time. Your logic is so flawed and reaching.
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Why does Tobirama has an uchiha in his personal team if he discriminates against them and mistrusts them?
Why would a racist white guy have a black person on his team despite discriminating against blacks and mistrusting them? People use others. Tobirama knew the Uchiha were a useful asset, just one that had to be monitored and chained. Kagami submitted to the ideals of Tobirama just like the rest of the Uchiha, but Tobirama didn't know all of them individually, making it easier for him to think of them all as the people who killed his brothers and ticking Madara time bombs.
something like that, they were destined to bear the hatred/hated and losing the things they love the most -
Because he was loyal but he hated them overall and he knew what happens when they lose the things they love the most ,knowing that he still reacted the way he did - Hashirama conversation"
+ He didnt view them as clan "every person each" but he view them as Madara"
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And this would have been the perfect opportunity to "use" uchiha.
Tell him that he needs to be decoy and have him killed and save the team.
Instead he didn't use him but willing gave up his own life to save him and the rest of the team.
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The guy you are ranting against gave up his life to save an uchiha.
He didn't hate them, he simply didn't trust them.
Ones that proved their loyalty, Kagami and many others he didn't have problems with because they earned his trust. He even gave his life so kagami could escape with the rest of his team
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.He hated them.
Even if he didn't want to give up his life for Kagami, there were other people there. Did you forget that he named Hiruzen the new Hokage? He had no choice but to go ahead and let them escape. Tobirama knew Kagami personally, the rest of the clan was just a bunch of Madara's to him.
And let's say he decided to make Kagami leave with him to be a decoy. That would damage the facade and anger the Uchiha. He had no choice but to let Kagami leave with the others
salamander uchiha
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I suggest you 're read the manga he approached Uchiha and Senju incarnates. In Madara's case it was because of Tobirama that Black Zetsu succeeded.
He altered the uchija tablet because he knew that the emotional uchiha were the quickest way to get things done. Black zetsu played madara like a fool and even if he didn't some other uchiha would've served his purpose down the road. He may have approached both lineages in the past but it's obvious his focus went to the emotionally unstable uchiha.
salamander uchiha
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You should read Itachi shinden there's blatant discrimination against the Uchiha. Konoha used them for war purposes then sideload them whenever they didn't need them. Itachi too experienced this discrimination because he was an Uchiha. Fugaku experienced the same because he was an Uchiha. Obito version is supported by Shinden. The only reason Nazirama allowed Kagami into his squad was to seem fair and he knew if needed he had the sharingan. In the history that followed only 3 sat on the council guess what Kagami was also sidelined because he was an Uchiha. Even in Hiruzens version he was never mwntioned as an advisor or on the council. A governing seat was also among the demands of the Uchiha.
I suggest you read Itachi Shinden. The anime version is complete bs they excluded key parts of the story including Itachi's mindset.
He did, He gave his life so his whole team could escape, which included kagami.
He also stated in the post i showed that kagami wasn't the only one, He said there were many others like him that earned his trust.
Your just pulling at straws here.
He could simply lie to the uchiha and swear the others to secrecy, If the uchiha were so discriminated by all the village as you claim why would they squeal on their beloved hokage for some mere uchiha?.
salamander uchiha
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Is it obvious when he say I approached both but failed everyone until Uchiha Madara. In Madara's case it wasn't an emotional decision or was a decision to bring peace to the world. For his goals he cast clan and all to the side that's called removing emotions.
The problem with your theory is he tried to influence them through that tablet but constantly failed. He approached the senju constantly. He had 2 means of attempt at the Uchiha it shows their strength that they resisted. The same can't be said about Senju.
You seem like a :salt:y senju fan