Was it necessary to eliminate the entire Uchiha Clan?
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A few hundred. That apparently means those murdered include children and elderly people. How unfair. Preemptive strike they might call it.
I have no idea where those Uchiha police were during the attack by nine-tails. But not all Uchihas were gifted with sharingan, right? Itachi was very young then.
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That suggests the clan was very very small..... Which makes sense but to be the youngest as well? Even if there are only 90+ Clan members that's saying something i wonder if the Uchiha are dying or were dying out anyway? As the blood became more thinned over time perhaps?
It was that or the death and endangerment of tens of thousands since the Fourth WW would have broken out. Yes it's terrible, but it was the only solution. It's one of those "impossible decisions" Itachi mentioned to Naruto that shinobi had to make sometimes. And in many ways, the Uchiha brought it upon themselves.
I am unable to comprehend how Uchiiha's revolting against Konoha would result in a World War. A single clan capable of overthrowing Konoha Village / Fire country and bringing allied countries into war? Yet that clan was wiped out by a few fellows. Just wondering that's all.
They wouldn't have been able to overthrow Konoha. However, they'd have been sufficient enough to start an ongoing civil war and would have been weakened enough that other Great Nations would have taken the opportunity to attack them while they were dealing with an internal battle according to Tobi, which the Elders also believed.I am unable to comprehend how Uchiiha's revolting against Konoha would result in a World War. A single clan capable of overthrowing Konoha Village / Fire country and bringing allied countries into war? Yet that clan was wiped out by a few fellows. Just wondering that's all.
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an enemy village could capatilise on the confusion and attack konoha in the mayhem and could effectively destroy the villageI am unable to comprehend how Uchiiha's revolting against Konoha would result in a World War. A single clan capable of overthrowing Konoha Village / Fire country and bringing allied countries into war? Yet that clan was wiped out by a few fellows. Just wondering that's all.
then an allied (or another village) could find the attacking village as a ripe target since the bulk of there forces would be fighting konoha and so on
which was why the village elders allowed there massacre
the lives of the many outweighed the lives of one clan who brought it on themselves
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This is something that I've thought about for a long time, and honestly I don't think it was necessary. It would have been enough to kill just the men who were participating in the uprising and leave the women and the children.
Of course, we can make the case that the Uchiha clan's curse of hatred would cause more problems in the future, and all the little children of the village would have potentially grown up into angry hateful men later. That's a bit of a stretch. Even if Danzo ordered it to happen, why would Itachi obey that order? Why would he kill babies and unarmed women if he knew they weren't a threat to the village?
What I think happened is this: Kishi wrote about Itachi and Sasuke's subplot first, then had to try and figure out a way to use that story to further Sasuke's development as a character. So, he turned Itachi, who appeared to be a normal sociopathic criminal, into a tragic character and used it to force Sasuke to seek revenge against the village. Unfortunately, if you go back and look at some of the earlier part 1 manga issues that talked about Sasuke and Itachi (Sasuke's flash backs, Itachi and Kisame come to the village for the first time), things don't seem like they quite add up. I think Kishi made a mistake with the story and had to go back and re-do parts of it so it became part of the bigger narrative.
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There were two types of solutions for the Uchiha problem: First is to kill them because they are planning a rebellion. Second is to take some of their concerns seriously and stop anti-Uchiha discrimination.
Here are a few things that could have helped prevent the massacre:
1) The third hokage can pick an Uchiha to be the fifth hokage, to end the perception that the Senju are trying to control the Uchiha. Itachi or even Shusui make obvious choices. The third hokage could have taken those two under his direct training and when they were ready handed the village over to one of them.
2) Integrate the Uchiha better into the village. The Uchiha were in charge of the police force, but they could have been given other responsibilities as well: An Uchiha (or several) could have been on the council of village elders to advise the hokage. Uchiha could have been given prominent roles in Anbu, in the general army forces, etc.
3) Marriage and other social integrations. If several high-profile marriages happened between Senju and Uchiha (or Uchiha and other clans, such as Hyuuga), those bonds would have helped prevent inter-clan fighting, and the children of those marriages might have been powerful assets to the village.
4) More involvement with the Fox. An Uzumaki was brought in from another village to be the vessel for the demon fox. However, having Uchiha as part of that team who were able to help control and suppress the fox would have been a good idea and a great display of trust.
These are just a few ideas, and I think the first one is the best. Imagine if the third hokage came out and said that Itachi was going to become the fifth hokage. Do you think the Uchiha would have still tried to revolt if an Uchiha face was carved into the stone mountain behind them? I don't think so. Itachi and Shusui and maybe a handful of others might have been qualified for it, especially with some dedicated training from the third hokage and other powerful ninja.
Here are a few things that could have helped prevent the massacre:
1) The third hokage can pick an Uchiha to be the fifth hokage, to end the perception that the Senju are trying to control the Uchiha. Itachi or even Shusui make obvious choices. The third hokage could have taken those two under his direct training and when they were ready handed the village over to one of them.
2) Integrate the Uchiha better into the village. The Uchiha were in charge of the police force, but they could have been given other responsibilities as well: An Uchiha (or several) could have been on the council of village elders to advise the hokage. Uchiha could have been given prominent roles in Anbu, in the general army forces, etc.
3) Marriage and other social integrations. If several high-profile marriages happened between Senju and Uchiha (or Uchiha and other clans, such as Hyuuga), those bonds would have helped prevent inter-clan fighting, and the children of those marriages might have been powerful assets to the village.
4) More involvement with the Fox. An Uzumaki was brought in from another village to be the vessel for the demon fox. However, having Uchiha as part of that team who were able to help control and suppress the fox would have been a good idea and a great display of trust.
These are just a few ideas, and I think the first one is the best. Imagine if the third hokage came out and said that Itachi was going to become the fifth hokage. Do you think the Uchiha would have still tried to revolt if an Uchiha face was carved into the stone mountain behind them? I don't think so. Itachi and Shusui and maybe a handful of others might have been qualified for it, especially with some dedicated training from the third hokage and other powerful ninja.
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Itachi killed his girlfriend there's a high chance of her being younger then he is.
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Yeah I agree with this. It seems the Uchihas as whole were distrusted because of the Madara issue. They were ignored and isolated. The Uchihas were for power. Were they evil ? I don't know. The third could have made one of the Uchihas the Fifth. But he alone can't make that decision.
While this idea does sound good, it is not.
The Uchiha wanted to take over the village despite them being the Konoha police force. I am willing to bet that Tobi lied about Uchihas being isolated from the rest of the village and being treated unfairly by all. From what I've seen throughout the manga, Uchiha have been feared by all. They were the pride of Konoha, they were the strongest clan to exist in the village along with Senju which was obviously dissipating.
The Uchiha were already taking advantage of Itachi and his link to the elders and the Hokage. Itachi being the 5th Hokage would surely help them with their goals.
They seem to come off as blood thirsty, warmongers much like Saiyans from Dragonball Z. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Kishi based Uchihas off Saiyans. Of course there are exceptions to every clan. Itachi and Shisui were both shown as peaceful rather than "let's take over the village" type. Kimimaro and his Kaguya clan can also be compared but they were more extreme.
If you really look into Itachi's quote, you would see that the "change" he's talking about is really "peace".
"The people of this clan are all the same. You focus on the trivial, and lose sight of what's most important. Change is impossible, in this fog of ignorance. How can we evolve when regulation is all we know?"
"You hold onto the organisation and your clan name. These things limit us and limit our capacities… These things deserve to be shunned. It is foolish to fear what we've yet to see and know!"
not everyone in the clan is a shinobi, I doubt a couple of old shopkeepers really would have posed such a threat to konoha, plus they wanted to kill Sasuke too, even though he was completely innocent. Do you just kill people because they might commit a crime in the far future? No. and if Danzo wasn't an idiot and stole Shisui's eye, him Itachi and some other anbu could have easily defeated the coup since they already knew about it. The onyl reason Sasuke became such an avenger is because Itachi conditioned him to be one.
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I am starting to think that killing off the Uchiha clan to harvest their Sharingan was part of the "Moon's eye Plan" to begin with? Tobi/Madara could have easily used a genjutsu to trick the elders and anyone involved to give the order to wipe them out in order to collect their Sharingan..which is why you see him with so many
you wouldn't be saying that if were you, how you feel if people tried to kill you just for being related to someone else, or if you had beef with someone and they tried to kill your younger brother even though he's completely innocent?
that's actually a very good theory, Tobi did say "long time no see Danzo". He probably wanted more sharingan.