[VS] War Arc SM Naruto VS. War Arc KCM Naruto

[Brother Numpsay]

Ok so since SM Naruto has a better sensing than non-senjutsu users, he solos 99% of NV ? The only thing whose flawed here is your logic Lol. And your brain too lmao

Nice way to corrupt and misrepresent my point. Anyone with a brain knows this fallacy. So there is differently something wrong with your brain.

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He's faster because that's what feats show, not because of any elaborate argumentation I've made up.

Since when were we arguing which mode moves faster?

.....forget the analogy. Your argument doesn't make sense for the reasons I've stated multiple times now.

I could forget your analogy but just letting you know its misrepresents my point and everything you are stating is conflicting between "new" and "old" claims your making to form an argument.

Ignoring the point=Dodging the point. It's really that simple.

Ok, but I addressed it anyway.

You said that better sensory=better reaction speed. Sasuke can't sense, Sages can, thus by your logic, they'd have better reaction speed, or they'd be able to progressively reach a level of reaction speed above those with no sensing. That is EXACTLY what your logic leads to, whether you intend it to or not.

So far I dont see the flaw in it since we have witness SM sensing = EMS perception and my argument is only base on that.

Yup. Tobirama already has the feat of reacting to, and tagging Juubito with Hiraishin, a reaction feat that surpasses any other feat from non Rikudo Leveled characters, despite him losing half his body.

Good to know.

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Exactly what I'm claiming here.

The only reasons our arguments go in circles is because you consistently fail to understand the point, or you just start using terrible ass logic.

Your movement speed is always faster than your reaction speed.

straight from your post

I fail to understand the point to where you dont know yourself, ok thanks for letting me know.

Which was explained. Because they are unorthodox movements, not because they were fast.

Ok

Already explained. Sharingan tracks linear movements FAR easier than it tracks unorthodox movements. V1 B is factually faster than Base B in every way, shape, and form.

Ok.

Um. Read above. Two completely different types of attack, and that's why this analogy makes no sense. Like I said, we've seen Naruto's speed boosts from Base, to KN0, to KN1. He was getting slapped by Sasuke in Base, but then when he went KN0, he started slapping Sasuke around. Impossible with just a boost in speed and no boost in reflexes.

Is Base Gai=7G Gai=8G Gai in reaction speed? Obviously not.

Ok wasn't the best analogy so ill just used yours. Naruto speed boost from KN0 was getting own by 3T Sasuke. Sasuke gain no speed boost so how was he able to slap around KN0 Naruto whos suppose to have better reaction due to speed boost.

If you want to call it that, but I have no idea why you are referencing what was said in the past in a new argument. I didn't bring up an argument only to switch it around in the middle of said argument.

You claim I didn't prove anything from our previous debate. I re address the points. As you are too.

 

[Amaterasu]

Nice way to corrupt and misrepresent my point. Anyone with a brain knows this fallacy. So there is differently something wrong with your brain.

Using my argument for countering me ? lol

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Using my argument for countering me ? lol

Your argument? If that's what you call an actual argument then its clear you don't know how to.

 

[Amaterasu]

Your argument? If that's what you call an actual argument then its clear you don't know how to.

My taunt if you prefer

 

[KidGamer65]

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Ok.

Since when were we arguing which mode moves faster?

Since never. KCM Naruto reacted to V2 Ay. SM Naruto's best feat is reacting to Alive Madara. Madara is not faster than Ay, so unless you have real proof, SM Naruto's reactions are not faster than KCM Naruto's.

I could forget your analogy but just letting you know its misrepresents my point and everything you are stating is conflicting between "new" and "old" claims your making to form an argument.

Uh-huh.

So far I dont see the flaw in it since we have witness SM sensing = EMS perception and my argument is only base on that.

Naruto's sensing=EMS perception.

straight from your post

I fail to understand the point to where you dont know yourself, ok thanks for letting me know.

It should be as clear as day what I meant. Not my fault if you couldn't put two and two together and realize that I meant reaction speed>movement speed when I've been saying that this whole time, except for one mistype.

Ok wasn't the best analogy so ill just used yours. Naruto speed boost from KN0 was getting own by 3T Sasuke. Sasuke gain no speed boost so how was he able to slap around KN0 Naruto whos suppose to have better reaction due to speed boost.

1. Because he got another Sharingan, thus he was able to track Naruto's speed, thus he was able to react faster, effectively increasing his reaction speed, but not because his body got faster.

2. Not relevant as this doesn't even begin to correlate with my argument, nor does it correlate with yours. All this proves is that a person getting better sensing/tracking means that they can react faster, not that SM Naruto has better reaction speed than KCM Naruto when they both have their own separate boost at work.

You claim I didn't prove anything from our previous debate. I re address the points. As you are too.

So? Doesn't mean it's the same debate. Lol.

 

[lndra]

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Since EMS = Sensing perception

Why did Naruto get casually blitzed by a blind Madara in SM? Was it because he was drained from the prior fights leading up to Madara coming back to life?

 

[KidGamer65]

Since EMS = Sensing perception

Why did Naruto get casually blitzed by a blind Madara in SM? Was it because he was drained from the prior fights leading up to Madara coming back to life?

1. Naruto reacted, even though it wasn't a perfect reaction. So I'd say he almost got blitzed. Definitely proves that Madara>>>SM Naruto in movement speed.

2. Naruto was fast enough to react and block, but not fast enough to evade or counter. That's why Madara effortlessly knocked him to the ground. Like I said above, being able to track someone doesn't mean you can flawlessly react to them.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Naruto's sensing=EMS perception.

Soooo... according to the topic, you basically concede your point.

 

[KidGamer65]

Soooo... according to the topic, you basically concede your point.

Nope. There is one thing that you desperately need to understand before we continue. Sensing=/=Reaction speed. I don't give a shit if SM Naruto can sense KAGUYA'S movements. Unless you actually prove that his reaction speed surpasses KCM Naruto's, you have. No. Dice.

Sooo....based on the lack of reply to my point, since the above should've been obvious, I'm gonna assume you've conceded your points.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Nope. There is one thing that you desperately need to understand before we continue. Sensing=/=Reaction speed. I don't give a shit if SM Naruto can sense KAGUYA'S movements. Unless you actually prove that his reaction speed surpasses KCM Naruto's, you have. No. Dice.

I have never ever said that Sensing = reaction speed. And I desperately need you to stop misrepresenting my points. I clearly stated that its capability of perception. If the perception is much better and much faster then a normal perception or an inferior of a characters perception, then clearly its perception would work better and much faster. Thats it.

....based on the lack of reply to my point, since the above should've been obvious, I'm gonna assume you've conceded your points.

Nope. I decided to not waste time since my whole point wasn't debunked at all. Base on your reasoning the argument wasn't going anywhere. I already supported my point that Naruto's senses can rivals EMS users perception. So theres nothing else to be said. I refuse to believe that it needs to take more then that. Your attempting to say because of Naruto's speed boost in KCM+BM boost gives him a much better perception, yet alone boost of SM. Yet somehow all 3 boost of Naruto (which by calculation boost, suppose to be wayyy superior in perception then Sasuke) = EMS Sasuke progression with the Sharingan? Its unreasonable, flaw thinking, and am I not going to indulge the argument any longer.

 

[KidGamer65]

I have never ever said that Sensing = reaction speed. And I desperately need you to stop misrepresenting my points. I clearly stated that its capability of perception. If the perception is much better and much faster then a normal perception or an inferior of a characters perception, then clearly its perception would work better and much faster. Thats it.

Then stop trying to argue that SM Naruto has better reaction speed because he has better sensing. Lol. Jesus Christ almighty, how stupid can you get?

Nope. I decided to not waste time since my whole point wasn't debunked at all

Your point was that SM Naruto reacts faster than KCM Naruto, thus his reaction speed is higher. You only proved that his sensing is superior. Something we knew from the jump.

Base on your reasoning the argument wasn't going anywhere.

The argument wasn't, and never, goes anywhere because you are too hard headed and stubborn to admit when you make no sense. When you started saying shit like V1 B=V2 B=Base B in reaction speed and SM Naruto=BSM Naruto in reaction speed in the other thread, that's when you hit retard level and should've just stopped. But you continued.

I already supported my point that Naruto's senses can rivals EMS users perception.

I like how you are trying to change your point now that your original one has been shat all over on.

So theres nothing else to be said. I refuse to believe that it needs to take more then that. Your attempting to say because of Naruto's speed boost in KCM+BM boost gives him a much better perception, yet alone boost of SM.

Let's not get perception mixed up with reaction speed. I said that KCM Naruto reacts faster than Sage Naruto. That simple. I never said that KCM Naruto's sensing is on SM Naruto's level.

Yet somehow all 3 boost of Naruto (which by calculation boost, suppose to be wayyy superior in perception then Sasuke) = EMS Sasuke progression with the Sharingan?

Who the hell told you that KCM Naruto's reaction speed is supposed to be on par with EMS Sasuke's reaction speed at it's top level? Oh wait, nobody. You've assumed that it should make no sense. EMS Sasuke's reaction speed after he can track people like Juubito is on a level comparable to BSM Naruto's reaction speed. If EMS Sasuke's reaction speed equals BSM Naruto's, then why in the hell would it logically be inferior when that is what was shown?

Its unreasonable, flaw thinking, and am I not going to indulge the argument any longer.

The only unreasonable, flawed thinking is that SM Naruto reacts faster because he has better sensing. Which is your point. It's pretty pathetic that you can't concede properly so you have to put on this big ass show, despite your point being debunked. Now you are trying to switch it up.

I clearly showed that better sensing means better perception.

Actually it is the same. We have witness Naruto saying he reacts faster then KCM, which reacted to V2 Ay speed.

Naruto need SM boost since KM chakra sense is of no use, thus he replied on its senses alone to react to Juubi's movements. So no point here.

Punk ass kids everywhere I go. Too immature to debate with. Lol

 

[makosheva7]

Without toads SM Naruto loses low-mid diff to KCM Naruto.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Then stop trying to argue that SM Naruto has better reaction speed because he has better sensing. Lol. Jesus Christ almighty, how stupid can you get?

Stupid? How is it stupid to suggest that having a better perception built better reaction?

Your point was that SM Naruto reacts faster than KCM Naruto, thus his reaction speed is higher. You only proved that his sensing is superior. Something we knew from the jump.

Lol? So react faster =/= higher reaction speed. Sorry for being too stupid.

The argument wasn't, and never, goes anywhere because you are too hard headed and stubborn to admit when you make no sense. When you started saying shit like V1 B=V2 B=Base B in reaction speed and SM Naruto=BSM Naruto in reaction speed in the other thread, that's when you hit retard level and should've just stopped. But you continued.

According to last two quotes, your right, I'm insane and not making any sense here.

I said these "shit" only because I dont believe the quantity of chakra is what gives characters better reactions. And in no way can I conclude that the faster character will always have the superior reactions. Otherwise BSM and EMS Sasuke should not be = in that category of = reaction.

I like how you are trying to change your point now that your original one has been shat all over on.

Please tell me what I changed. What did I say before and what am I saying now?

Let's not get perception mixed up with reaction speed. I said that KCM Naruto reacts faster than Sage Naruto. That simple. I never said that KCM Naruto's sensing is on SM Naruto's level.

Lol, and Im dense? You have to mix reaction speed with perception since perception is the result or product of perceiving. You can't built a reaction without some type of perception.

Who the hell told you that KCM Naruto's reaction speed is supposed to be on par with EMS Sasuke's reaction speed at it's top level? Oh wait, nobody. You've assumed that it should make no sense. EMS Sasuke's reaction speed after he can track people like Juubito is on a level comparable to BSM Naruto's reaction speed. If EMS Sasuke's reaction speed equals BSM Naruto's, then why in the hell would it logically be inferior when that is what was shown?

Um nobody told me but reading the Manga. When they both started to perceive Juubito in their own method, they both struggled first, both equally got the hang of tracking, and both equally tagged Juubito. So you mean to tell me that Naruto wasn't doing his best to react and tag Juubito? Yet alone escape Juubito's arms from getting a hold of him? Lol.

The point is EMS Sasuke perception = BSM Naruto. You wanted me to use your logic by saying Sasuke should be inferior base on the fact that he is no where near Naruto's speed. And according to you, the fact that movement speed = superior reaction speed. And the fact that SM boost makes the boost even more superior.

The only unreasonable, flawed thinking is that SM Naruto reacts faster because he has better sensing. Which is your point. It's pretty pathetic that you can't concede properly so you have to put on this big ass show, despite your point being debunked. Now you are trying to switch it up.

You quoted me like it conflicts/contradicts with the arguments Im making now Lol? You want me to concede base on this garbage argument and reasoning your making, you got it wrong.

 

[Amaterasu]

Nope. I decided to not waste time since my whole point wasn't debunked at all. Base on your reasoning the argument wasn't going anywhere. I already supported my point that Naruto's senses can rivals EMS users perception. So theres nothing else to be said. I refuse to believe that it needs to take more then that. Your attempting to say because of Naruto's speed boost in KCM+BM boost gives him a much better perception, yet alone boost of SM. Yet somehow all 3 boost of Naruto (which by calculation boost, suppose to be wayyy superior in perception then Sasuke) = EMS Sasuke progression with the Sharingan? Its unreasonable, flaw thinking, and am I not going to indulge the argument any longer.

Sensing =/= Perception, so your argument is flawed.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Sensing =/= Perception, so your argument is flawed.

sense
sens/
verb
gerund or present participle: sensing

perceive by a sense or senses.
"with the first frost, they could sense a change in the days"
synonyms: discern, feel, observe, notice, recognize, pick up (on), be aware of, distinguish, make out, identify; More
comprehend, apprehend, see, appreciate, realize;
suspect, have a funny feeling about, have a hunch about, divine, intuit;
informalcatch on to
"she sensed their hostility"
be aware of.
"she could sense her father's anger rising"
be aware that something is the case without being able to define exactly how one knows.
"he could sense that he wasn't liked"

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per·cep·tion
pərˈsepSH(ə)n/
noun
noun: perception; plural noun: perceptions

the ability to see, hear, or become aware of something through the senses.
"the normal limits to human perception"
the state of being or process of becoming aware of something through the senses.
"the perception of pain"
synonyms: recognition, awareness, consciousness, appreciation, realization, knowledge, grasp, understanding, comprehension, apprehension;
formalcognizance
"our perception of our own limitations"
a way of regarding, understanding, or interpreting something; a mental impression.
"Hollywood's perception of the tastes of the American public"
synonyms: impression, idea, conception, notion, thought, belief, judgment, estimation
"popular perceptions of old age"
intuitive understanding and insight.
"“He wouldn't have accepted,” said my mother with unusual perception"
synonyms: insight, perceptiveness, percipience, perspicacity, understanding, sharpness, sharp-wittedness, intelligence, intuition, cleverness, incisiveness, trenchancy, astuteness, shrewdness, acuteness, acuity, discernment, sensitivity, penetration, thoughtfulness, profundity;
formalperspicuity
"he talks with great perception"
PsychologyZoology
the neurophysiological processes, including memory, by which an organism becomes aware of and interprets external stimuli.

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[Amaterasu]

Also, EMS perceptions aren't even near SM senses, SM is a unique thing, and senses is one of the main abilities. Doubt an EMS user could sense like a SM one.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Also, EMS perceptions aren't even near SM senses, SM is a unique thing, and senses is one of the main abilities. Doubt an EMS user could sense like a SM one.

You dont get it. If you read the definition perception isn't specific.

Sasuke uses his eyes to perceive
SM uses their "feeling of awareness" to perceive.


Both end up = when it came to tagging Juubito

 

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They seemed pretty much equal to me.

 

[KidGamer65]

Stupid? How is it stupid to suggest that having a better perception built better reaction?

It's stupid to suggest that KCM Naruto, who has his own boost in speed reacts slower than Sage Naruto just because Sage Naruto has sensing and KCM Naruto only has a speed boost. That's what you seem to be unable to understand.

Lol? So react faster =/= higher reaction speed. Sorry for being too stupid.

No, the same character getting a boost in sensing makes them react faster. That obviously doesn't mean shit when talking about two separate characters, or the same character, but two different forms.

According to last two quotes, your right, I'm insane and not making any sense here.

I said these "shit" only because I dont believe the quantity of chakra is what gives characters better reactions.

No shit it's not. KCM isn't just a boost in chakra reserves though, so your belief on this matter isn't relevant.

And in no way can I conclude that the faster character will always have the superior reactions.

KCM Naruto has the faster reactions because that is what feats show, not solely because he Shunshin's faster than SM Naruto.

Otherwise BSM and EMS Sasuke should not be = in that category of = reaction.

Read above.

Please tell me what I changed. What did I say before and what am I saying now?

-Claims he's only arguing that EMS=Sage Naruto's precognitive sensing/perception.
-Even though you've been trying to argue that SM Naruto=BSM Naruto=EMS Sasuke in reaction speed, and that KCM Naruto does not react faster than SM Naruto.

Either you are trying to switch your argument cause it got defeated, or you are too daft to realize that perception and reaction speed are NOT the same thing. Either way, you sound dumb.

Lol, and Im dense? You have to mix reaction speed with perception since perception is the result or product of perceiving. You can't built a reaction without some type of perception.

Lol, what a clown. Being able to perceive it doesn't automatically mean you'll be able to react to it. So no, you don't mix the two. One can lead to another but it doesn't mean that people with the best perception will always be the ones to react first. Manga has shown this shit over and over again.

Um nobody told me but reading the Manga. When they both started to perceive Juubito in their own method, they both struggled first, both equally got the hang of tracking, and both equally tagged Juubito. So you mean to tell me that Naruto wasn't doing his best to react and tag Juubito? Yet alone escape Juubito's arms from getting a hold of him? Lol.

Lol what the hell are you talking about? This post right here only tells me that you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. You just referenced BSM Naruto and EMS Sasuke showing equal reaction speed, when I clearly said "Nobody told you that KCM Naruto=EMS Sasuke in reaction speed" or is KCM Naruto and BSM Naruto the same thing in your book.

Lol clowns never cease to amaze me.

The point is EMS Sasuke perception = BSM Naruto.

Your point was SM Naruto>KCM Naruto in reaction speed. Don't try to switch it up.

You wanted me to use your logic by saying Sasuke should be inferior base on the fact that he is no where near Naruto's speed.

Except I already renounced the logic of faster you move the faster you react two posts back. The fact you are still referencing this only proves that your reading comp. level is below that of a 1st grader's. I'm going to defecate all over your main point one more time, though I fully expect another reply proving how incompetent you are.

-You said that SM Naruto reacts faster than KCM Naruto because SM Naruto has better sensing than KCM Naruto.

1. He never compared himself to KCM.

2. Being able to sense/track something doesn't mean that your body will react to it in time or at all. So SM Naruto being able to sense/track things better doesn't mean shit.

-You say that EMS Sasuke's perception=SM Naruto's Sage Sensing proves your point...even though it doesn't, because Naruto having equal sensing doesn't make his body fast enough to react to the same shit that EMS Sasuke can react to.

-You tried to prove that SM Naruto>KCM Naruto's reaction speed because the latter has Sage Sensing while the former has an inferior form of sensing. To support the assertion that KCM doesn't increase reaction speed, you tried to say that B's reaction speed doesn't increase when he enters his cloaked states.

1. Manga feats have proven that wrong, as I've shown via KN0, KN1, and Base Naruto.

2. Nothing in the manga points towards KCM Naruto's reaction speed not being upped by the mode itself.

-You are trying to equate reaction speed w/ perception level, even though that shit makes no sense and it's been explained to you multiple times.

Did you not state that SM Naruto reacts faster because he has better sensing?

And according to you, the fact that movement speed = superior reaction speed. And the fact that SM boost makes the boost even more superior.

Read above and read my posts before actually replying. Your reaction speed is always faster than your movement speed. That's what I told you two posts ago. That is NOT the same as "The faster you move, the faster you react". Is the English language beyond you? Or are you just refusing to comprehend my points cause they obliterate yours?


Your whole entire argument is shattered by the sole fact that sensing=/=reaction speed. Base Naruto getting Sage Sensing increases his reaction speed, but that doesn't mean that he reacts faster than KCM, which increases his speed as well.

You've built your argument around the idiotic assertion that those with better sensing will ALWAYS react faster than those w/o. If I take your logic, I'll end up saying shit like, SM Naruto reacts faster than Eighth Gate Gai because SM Naruto has a superior form of Sensing. Lol get that shit out of here.

There's one garbage argument here, and it's yours. Been like that from the start.

Also, EMS perceptions aren't even near SM senses, SM is a unique thing, and senses is one of the main abilities. Doubt an EMS user could sense like a SM one.

Sasuke's eyes tracked Juubito just as well as Naruto's sensing tracked Juubito. The only difference is that w/o BSM, Naruto can't react fast enough to tag him.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

It's stupid to suggest that KCM Naruto, who has his own boost in speed reacts slower than Sage Naruto just because Sage Naruto has sensing and KCM Naruto only has a speed boost. That's what you seem to be unable to understand.

But I dont believe KCM boost in reaction comes only from his speed, as I said many times.

No, the same character getting a boost in sensing makes them react faster. That obviously doesn't mean shit when talking about the same character, but two different forms.

?????

-Claims he's only arguing that EMS=Sage Naruto's precognitive sensing/perception.
-Even though you've been trying to argue that SM Naruto=BSM Naruto=EMS Sasuke in reaction speed, and that KCM Naruto does not react faster than SM Naruto.

Mentioning this doesn't show me switching up my argument.

Lol, what a clown. Being able to perceive it doesn't automatically mean you'll be able to react to it. So no, you don't mix the two. One can lead to another but it doesn't mean that people with the best perception will always be the ones to react first. Manga has shown this shit over and over again.

Except I never argued that it works automatically. Otherwise I wouldn't be using Juubito situation in my argument.

Lol what the hell are you talking about? This post right here only tells me that you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. You just referenced BSM Naruto and EMS Sasuke showing equal reaction speed, when I clearly said "Nobody told you that KCM Naruto=EMS Sasuke in reaction speed" or is KCM Naruto and BSM Naruto the same thing in your book.

Lol clowns never cease to amaze me.

I was making a point. We concluded Naruto sensing = EMS perception.

If this perception is able to tag Juubito why will Naruto's senses would never be able to react to KCM blitz.

Your point was SM Naruto>KCM Naruto in reaction speed. Don't try to switch it up.

bringing up reasons and examples to support my point doesn't mean I switch the argument.

Except I already renounced the logic of faster you move the faster you react two posts back. The fact you are still referencing this only proves that your reading comp. level is below that of a 1st grader's. I'm going to defecate all over your main point one more time, though I fully expect another reply proving how incompetent you are.

Ok.

-You said that SM Naruto reacts faster than KCM Naruto because SM Naruto has better sensing than KCM Naruto.

1. He never compared himself to KCM.

2. Being able to sense/track something doesn't mean that your body will react to it in time or at all. So SM Naruto being able to sense/track things better doesn't mean shit.

1. Lol what? So I guess that means he was comparing it to his base form. Therefore SM is actually not have wider danger sensing and and being faster then KCM.

2. Ok. But his perception eventually was able to tag Juubito so I think its still means something. Especially when arguing against characters with inferior movements then Juubito.

-You say that EMS Sasuke's perception=SM Naruto's Sage Sensing proves your point...even though it doesn't, because Naruto having equal sensing doesn't make his body fast enough to react to the same shit that EMS Sasuke can react to.

@Bold: Which is? Cause that last time I check they both equally can tag Juubito and both equally couldn't react to being grabbed from him.

-You tried to prove that SM Naruto>KCM Naruto's reaction speed because the latter has Sage Sensing while the former has an inferior form of sensing. To support the assertion that KCM doesn't increase reaction speed, you tried to say that B's reaction speed doesn't increase when he enters his cloaked states.

1. Manga feats have proven that wrong, as I've shown via KN0, KN1, and Base Naruto.

2. Nothing in the manga points towards KCM Naruto's reaction speed not being upped by the mode itself.

1. Can you show me KN1 showing better reaction speed then KN0? Can you show me where base Naruto couldn't react to a move that KN0 could?

2. Of course not, since he does have another form to perceive now.

-You are trying to equate reaction speed w/ perception level, even though that shit makes no sense and it's been explained to you multiple times.

Did you not state that SM Naruto reacts faster because he has better sensing?

SM senses, by feats helped, eventually tagged a much superior character then himself. So yea if the perception has that kind of feat then it definitely has that kind of reaction speed.

Read above and read my posts before actually replying. Your reaction speed is always faster than your movement speed. That's what I told you two posts ago. That is NOT the same as "The faster you move, the faster you react". Is the English language beyond you? Or are you just refusing to comprehend my points cause they obliterate yours?

Yea Im sorry. Im doing my best to comprehend your arguments, thats why I am writing very slow until I grasp it.

So far I got that the characters reaction speed is always faster then their movement speed.

But of course you dont want me to get confuse by saying that moving faster actually has nothing to do with your reaction speed. Ok got it.

Your whole entire argument is shattered by the sole fact that sensing=/=reaction speed. Base Naruto getting Sage Sensing increases his reaction speed, but that doesn't mean that he reacts faster than KCM, which increases his speed as well.

KCM reaction increases his speed? I didn't know that, sorry.

You've built your argument around the idiotic assertion that those with better sensing will ALWAYS react faster than those w/o. If I take your logic, I'll end up saying shit like, SM Naruto reacts faster than Eighth Gate Gai because SM Naruto has a superior form of Sensing. Lol get that shit out of here.

There's one garbage argument here, and it's yours. Been like that from the start.

Lol once again repeating the same thing/examples to misrepresent my point. As I stated perception isnt only base upon sensing otherwise my argument would have never said or compare EMS perception = to SM perception. So by feats this is the limit to what its capable of.