Ultimate Body vs Ultimate Eye

[Widow Maker]

eye power in nv = spiritual energy, = mind power, to put it simply, the mind controls the body.

eye powers have the ability to control in several different manners, thus all the strengths of the body becomes useless if its turned upon itself.

 

[Ansatsuken]

This man gets it

How do you he was a "Man"?

Jokeeeeeeeeee,lol

 

[unknownvillain1254]

eye power in nv = spiritual energy, = mind power, to put it simply, the mind controls the body.

eye powers have the ability to control in several different manners, thus all the strengths of the body becomes useless if its turned upon itself.

Hmmm let's see that after I break every bone in your body then snap your spine in half and let's see how that works out for you

 

[HENI]

Hmmm let's see that after I break every bone in your body then snap your spine in half and let's see how that works out for you

His mind will make your body explode

 

[Widow Maker]

Hmmm let's see that after I break every bone in your body then snap your spine in half and let's see how that works out for you

i dont think you understood a word "body-boy" obviously you dont use your mind

in answer to your comment, i said the mind control the body, that means the only spine u'll be breaking is your own, because you would already be under my genjutsu.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

i dont think you understood a word "body-boy" obviously you dont use your mind

in answer to your comment, i said the mind control the body, that means the only spine u'll be breaking is your own, because you would already be under my genjutsu.

Lol keep on the fan fiction train

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Just want to add that the body side should technically be entitled to edo tensei & FTG.

 

[HENI]

Just want to add that the body side should technically be entitled to edo tensei & FTG.

Those are jutsu that were not body powers.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Those are jutsu that were not body powers.

They were still made by the body side to combat the eye sides abilities.

Tobirama made clones, ET & FTG as far as I know. They should technically have hax sealing jutsu too.

 

[KidGamer65]

They were still made by the body side to combat the eye sides abilities.

Tobirama made clones, ET & FTG as far as I know. They should technically have hax sealing jutsu too.

Lol. Made by someone who represents the body doesn't mean it's one of the abilities attributed to people with strong bodies. Literally makes no sense.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

That's where the thread falls apart, to put simply no pure eye user an use anything above EMS without body power. Madara did not give the rinnegan to an uchiha child he gave it to nagato specifically for this reason. Obito who has half of his body infused with hashirama cells could only handle one rinnegan.

IT can't be used without body power, the chakra of kaguya is needed, this rule is absolute.

The body users can use the pinnacle of their power without needing any eye power contribution, the same can't be said for the eye users.

@bold True. And the chakra of Kaguya has nothing to do with body powers.

@underlined Transplanted Rinnegan comes with heavy chakra but requires the user's own chakra to support and handle it, but an awakened natural Rinnegan is FORMED by the powerful chakra which the user attains. Big difference. And that also makes the Nagato example irrelevant.

 

[Warlocks]

Those are jutsu that were not body powers.

oh than they are eye power is it but
kabuto . minato have body power and this use by body not any eye power

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Lol. Made by someone who represents the body doesn't mean it's one of the abilities attributed to people with strong bodies. Literally makes no sense.

It's still technically part of Ashura's descendants arsenal just like the aforementioned jutsu/weapons/kkg. No Ashura descendents = No FTG/ET/Shadow clones

They didn't just counter Indra's descendents with balls

 

[KidGamer65]

It's still technically part of Ashura's descendants arsenal just like the aforementioned jutsu/weapons/kkg. No Ashura descendents = No FTG/ET/Shadow clones

They didn't just counter Indra's descendents with balls

Irrelevant as that's not what body powers are. Body powers aren't the powers that Ashura's descendants have. They are the powers associated with having a strong body.

-ET has nothing to do with the body, stamina or life force.
-Same with clones.
-Same with Hiraishin.

Only thing body users get are Senjutsu and a strong life force and Mokuton. Everything is completely unrelated.

 

[HENI]

oh than they are eye power is it but
kabuto . minato have body power and this use by body not any eye power

Edo Tensei and FTG are not body or eye powers.

 

[Gerkak]

@bold True. And the chakra of Kaguya has nothing to do with body powers.

How doesn't it? You think if EMS sasuke had the rinne sharingan transplanted into him he would be able to use it? :lol he every eye technique requires body power to use, the weaker the body the weaker the eye power . An example is EMS madara and EMS sasuke. Madara was older, had a more developed body and chakra hence bigger and more powerful PS than EMS sasuke. It is as simple as that. Tell me again how using rinne sharingan has nothing to do with body powers. The eye can neither be awakened or used without body power, kaguya had both just like hogoromo.

@underlined Transplanted Rinnegan comes with heavy chakra but requires the user's own chakra to support and handle it, but an awakened natural Rinnegan is FORMED by the powerful chakra which the user attains. Big difference. And that also makes the Nagato example irrelevant.

Really madara said that without uchiha and senju power one can't handle the rinnegan and summon the gedo mazo, how much proof do you need? The body power being needed is an absolute rule U_U. Madara could have given obito the rinnegan not nagato, remember madara has been watching both of them and nagato is only older by 5 years madara could have easily waited that period. The reason is because he believed that obito even with enhancements couldn't handle the rinnegan better than nagato. Heck BZ(who knows his stuff) said that nagato was the only one able to handle the rinnegan besides madara. Powerful chakra awakens the eye when the two powers are combined. Eye users can't use any power above EMS without body enhancements, this is true whether you choose to believe in it or not.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Irrelevant as that's not what body powers are. Body powers aren't the powers that Ashura's descendants have. They are the powers associated with having a strong body.

-ET has nothing to do with the body, stamina or life force.
-Same with clones.
-Same with Hiraishin.

Only thing body users get are Senjutsu and a strong life force and Mokuton. Everything is completely unrelated.

@bold lolwat

-You don't need a particularly strong body for edo tensei but all of it's credit goes to Tobirama who is a Senju.
-Yes you do if you want to use a decent amount of clones as shown by Kakashi etc.
-Once again. It took someone from Ashura's side to make it come about. Therefore it's part of their arsenal.

It's like saying Uchiha can't use fire style because it's not directly derived from sharingan. It's both sides in their prime in this scenario. You can't just have a body power (mode) or an eye power (dojutsu) & no jutsu to use with it :bdpf:

 

[KidGamer65]

@bold lolwat

-You don't need a particularly strong body for edo tensei but all of it's credit goes to Tobirama who is a Senju.

Irrelevant, again. Is he using Edo Tensei because his body is strong? No. :lol. I suggest you and over half the people in this thread learn what the body powers are.

-Yes you do if you want to use a decent amount of clones as shown by Kakashi etc.

Do you NEED body powers to use Shadow Clones? No. Sasuke being able to use clones ends any and all talk about it being a body power when he is on the complete opposite spectrum.

-Once again. It took someone from Ashura's side to make it come about. Therefore it's part of their arsenal.

Which has nothing to do with their body. :lol. Do I have to define this for you again?

They are the powers associated with having a strong body.

Body powers are called body powers because you need a strong body to use them or they have to do with vitality and life force. Edo Tensei, Clones and Hiraishin have nothing to do with that. More chakra=More clones, but do you need the body power to do this? Absolutely not.

Tbh, all that was stated for Ashura's descendants was a strong life force and vitality. Even Senjutsu is a stretch since Ashura's descendants aren't the only ones who can get it naturally.

It's like saying Uchiha can't use fire style because it's not directly derived from sharingan. It's both sides in their prime in this scenario. You can't just have a body power (mode) or an eye power (dojutsu) & no jutsu to use with it :bdpf:

I'm not even sure how this correlates with anything you are saying, but that's probably because it doesn't. Uchiha can use fire style, does that mean fire style is related to the "eye" powers? No, it doesn't. :lol. Eye powers are the powers that come from having Dojutsu and the Body powers come from having a strong body, and that's only Senjutsu, Mokuton and a strong life force and vitality. Nothing else.

 

[KesOnFire]

Body wins

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Irrelevant, again. Is he using Edo Tensei because his body is strong? No. :lol. I suggest you and over half the people in this thread learn what the body powers are.



Do you NEED body powers to use Shadow Clones? No. Sasuke being able to use clones ends any and all talk about it being a body power when he is on the complete opposite spectrum.



Which has nothing to do with their body. :lol. Do I have to define this for you again?



Body powers are called body powers because you need a strong body to use them or they have to do with vitality and life force. Edo Tensei, Clones and Hiraishin have nothing to do with that. More chakra=More clones, but do you need the body power to do this? Absolutely not.



I'm not even sure how this correlates with anything you are saying, but that's probably because it doesn't. Uchiha can use fire style, does that mean fire style is related to the "eye" powers? No, it doesn't. :lol.

Thanks for repeating what I just said and ignoring the last bit. I suggest you re-read the OP.

Didn't Sasuke use shadow clones after the rikudo power-up and even then he only made a few. My point still stands. If you don't have a decent body and chakra reserves your clones are wank. They're limited chajra wise and therefore jutsu wise. Not to mention they probably have a time limit.

Part of the Ashura sides arsenal. They didn't fight Indra's side with balls alone :Sparks:

Just like Indra's side. The Ashura side inherited a unique type of genius among some of its members leading to the creation of these jutsu. Took a special kind of body and brain type to put it together, therefore it's theirs to use. What are the chances that Tobirama inherited the genes/intelligence he did? An Uchiha couldn't do it with their type of genius/genetic make-up. It's like saying electricity doesn't have a function for humans because the first humans didn't use it/manipulate it or that it can't be used by the continent it originated from when they're at war.

How can you not see the metaphors/correlations. They're there. Clear as day. Aaaand you accidentally just copied & agreed with me in the last sentence (Check the first sentence of the paragraph you were quoting). Well done XD