Uchiha clan weak without others power

[Styles]

What's the most powerful they can get with outside power? MS. But those eyes would lose the light once they use it too much and seeing as they can't swap eyes and don't have Hashiramas cells they'll stay blind. Even though 3 Tomoe is highest most can go, cause MS is rare.

How is MS an outside power?

 

[Kirin The Dragon Sage]

Lets face the facts Uchiha´s relying on their own power are nothing special or OP.

-Only few among them awakens Sharingan.

-Almost entire Uciha clan is killed by teen Itachi.

Now what about Madara,Obito and Sasuke.How strong would they be without others power.

Obito :

- He would be dead without Hashirama Senju dna power

- Without same power he would turn blind from MS

Sasuke :

- Without Indra Otsutsuki chakra his chakra is nothing but little above average.

- Without Curse Mark from Orochimaru he was nothing special .

- Hagoromo power makes him what he is now.

Madara :

- Without Indra chakra he also wouldn´t be anything OP.

- Without Hashi Dna he would be irrelevant.

Conclusion :

Without others powers there isn´t anything that makes them way superior to other clans like Senju,Hyuga ,... And only trully strong Uchiha who didn´t have others power is Itachi

Only Hashirama and Madara is powerful which is inherited Indra and Ashura power. Madara could solo entire senju clan, so do Hashirama to solo uchiha. I do believe the most powerful Uchiha is Itachi/Shishui base on fact BZ not helping then for free power up.

Uchiha is still NOT FODDER giving fact that they were killed by two kid. Uchiha is one of 4 noble clan in Konoha proven they are powerful. Both Uchiha, Hyuga they using doujutsu which is KKG, KKG user is usually not a fodder in Naruto.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

It sounds very dumb indeed, however I am not implying that she has no eye techniques (doujutsu), but rather that the RinneSharingan has Sharingan powers. You however have claimed that her eye has Rinnegan powers:

A rinnesharingan does not exist in the manga, there's only been 3 doujutsus. Byukagan, sharingan, and Rinnegan.
All you have is this fan-made translation of yours, I'm talking strictly manga and manga only. So you can't tie manga logic to unofficial translations to prove your point, that's a speculation.

To reflect your question back to you, how is this possible if she doesn't have the Rinnegan?

Because the rinnegan chakra that is known to be part of hagoromoo's started from Kaguya herself. Chakra is the key here not doujutsu.

If you use that translation, then it makes the whole thing look like a guess, but it's still the action that he's guessing about, not what the eye is. It's still at worst a close a call as you saying "Sharingan powers" equates to the Sharingan itself. Either way, it does not worsen my point, because neither Hagoromo nor Sasuke should know what it's called, because Kaguya was the first one with the eye and thus if she does not name it, and there is no agreed upon term for it, we must rely on something "omnipotent", that being the Databook.

1. That is the official translation, so yes the whole thing was a guess. Hence why he said probably.
2. Unlike Hagormoo, Sasuke's never seen or countered IT before. So of course he doesn't know who is casting it. But Hagormoo is Kaguya's mother, he knows her powers, jutsus, chakra (since he's half of it) and he knows how to undo Infinite Tsukuyomi.

So of course he knows it's a sharingan. Just like he specifically stated that you need the rinnegan and biju chakra to break that IT that was casted by her sharingan. And the question arrives in who are you to question Hagoromoo, the overseer of the whole series? That's like you questioning black zetsu if hagormoo and hamura did seal kaguay up since Hagormoo never said he sealed his mom up with his brother when meeting naruto and sasuke.

You misunderstand. The only reason why I used an "engine" is so that people don't have to just take my word for it. I can read it without using such a thing. Now, I can see how you may interpret it as bias if it is something like an entire section or even a sentence, but when it's just a single word that cannot be interpreted in any other way, then it's just pure facts. You can easily look at a

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and get a clear answer.

I'll leave that to the official people who are licensed and paid instead of someone who's not.
I don't have to believe what your translations, I rather receive it from the author himself.

And how is that hypocritical? Yes, Madara used Infinite Tsukuyomi with a Sharingan on Obito. What does that have to do with this? I am not saying such a thing is impossible.

So if Madara used a Infinite Tsykuyomi on Obito with a sharingan, why are you denying Kaguya the same? Since you know a sharingan can be used for IT just as much as a rinnegan can be used for IT. What does that tell you already?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

How is MS an outside power?

Leave that retard to his stupidity. You know he can't hold the same intellect capacity as you and I.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Even with other's powers they never became the strongest.

 

[Mori Jin]

Look at the retarded clown come now. Please talk more about the byukagan beats the sharingan you pleb. I wasted your ass in the last thread.


A retard that called the manga a theory
What else is new?

Rinnesharingan = Infinite Tskuyomi dumb retard

 

[Mori Jin]

How is MS an outside power?

Without* autocorrect

 

[Mori Jin]

Leave that retard to his stupidity. You know he can't hold the same intellect capacity as you and I.

You Intelligent? Sit down child

 

[Mori Jin]

Even with other's powers they never became the strongest.

Senju always raped them

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Senju always raped them

Lol true, they're at senju's mercy.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Rinnesharingan = Infinite Tskuyomi dumb retard

Holy God just said taht Infinite Tskuyomi was done by a sharingan.
Manga says it was a sharingan you retarded bitch. Stfu

You Intellegent? Sit down child

"intellegent"

This is sig worthy right here. Look at this retard. Of course I'm intelligent, and especially more than you!

 

[Holy God]

Because the rinnegan chakra that is known to be part of hagoromoo's started from Kaguya herself. Chakra is the key here not doujutsu.

Then why are you asking me why she'd be able to use Sharingan powers with something other than a Sharingan?

1. That is the official translation, so yes the whole thing was a guess. Hence why he said probably.
2. Unlike Hagormoo, Sasuke's never seen or countered IT before. So of course he doesn't know who is casting it. But Hagormoo is Kaguya's mother, he knows her powers, jutsus, chakra (since he's half of it) and he knows how to undo Infinite Tsukuyomi.

So of course he knows it's a sharingan. Just like he specifically stated that you need the rinnegan and biju chakra to break that IT that was casted by her sharingan. And the question arrives in who are you to question Hagoromoo, the overseer of the whole series? That's like you questioning black zetsu if hagormoo and hamura did seal kaguay up since Hagormoo never said he sealed his mom up with his brother when meeting naruto and sasuke.

This is all dandy, but you still haven't shown where Hagoromo calls it a Sharingan. You've now said that only chakra matters, meaning the eye doesn't have to specifically be a Sharingan but only have it's chakra instead. You also already said the statement about "gruesome eye power" was referring to the Sharingan's power, not the eye itself. What else might imply it's a Sharingan?

A rinnesharingan does not exist in the manga, there's only been 3 doujutsus. Byukagan, sharingan, and Rinnegan.
All you have is this fan-made translation of yours, I'm talking strictly manga and manga only. So you can't tie manga logic to unofficial translations to prove your point, that's a speculation.

I'll leave that to the official people who are licensed and paid instead of someone who's not.
I don't have to believe what your translations, I rather receive it from the author himself.

The only way you're going to receive it from the author himself is if you read the Japanese. You're not arguing objectively here. I'm not using unofficial translations. I'm using the official, original Databook. What would you say to a native Japanese person about this? That they're using a fan-made translation? No, they're using the original that was made for them. You make no sense. The English translation (regardless if from VIZ or whoever does the Databook) does not have authority over the Japanese.

So if Madara used a Infinite Tsykuyomi on Obito with a sharingan, why are you denying Kaguya the same? Since you know a sharingan can be used for IT just as much as a rinnegan can be used for IT. What does that tell you already?

I'm not using that as evidence however. We both know Madara used a Sharingan. I know for a fact Kaguya did not.

 

[Mori Jin]

Holy God just said taht Infinite Tskuyomi was done by a sharingan.
Manga says it was a sharingan you retarded bitch. Stfu


"intellegent"

This is sig worthy right here. Look at this retard. Of course I'm intelligent, and especially more than you!

Rinnesharingan = Infinite Tskuyomi. Hats of to you for correcting grammar over the internet. Don't change the fact that you're still a retarded child throwing tantrums over the internet.

Rinnesharingan = Infinite Tskuyomi

 

[Mori Jin]

Then why are you asking me why she'd be able to use Sharingan powers with something other than a Sharingan?



This is all dandy, but you still haven't shown where Hagoromo calls it a Sharingan. You've now said that only chakra matters, meaning the eye doesn't have to specifically be a Sharingan but only have it's chakra instead. You also already said the statement about "gruesome eye power" was referring to the Sharingan's power, not the eye itself. What else might imply it's a Sharingan?



The only way you're going to receive it from the author himself is if you read the Japanese. You're not arguing objectively here. I'm not using unofficial translations. I'm using the official, original Databook. What would you say to a native Japanese person about this? That they're using a fan-made translation? No, they're using the original that was made for them. You make no sense. The English translation (regardless if from VIZ or whoever does the Databook) does not have authority over the Japanese.



I'm not using that as evidence however. We both know Madara used a Sharingan. I know for a fact Kaguya did not.

He's backtracking smh. First it's sharingan, now it's the chakra and not the doujutsu? What's he going to say next?

 

[patrickscott]

He's backtracking smh. First it's sharingan, now it's the chakra and not the doujutsu? What's he going to say next?

Hi Mori Jin.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Then why are you asking me why she'd be able to use Sharingan powers with something other than a Sharingan?

That doesn't mean she has the doujutsu itself. Didn't you just argue that she has the power of the sharingan without having the sharingan itself?

This is all dandy, but you still haven't shown where Hagoromo calls it a Sharingan. You've now said that only chakra matters, meaning the eye doesn't have to specifically be a Sharingan but only have it's chakra instead. You also already said the statement about "gruesome eye power" was referring to the Sharingan's power, not the eye itself. What else might imply it's a Sharingan?

Hagoromoo said that she has the power of the sharingan and the byukagan, and he continued to say that she used her "ocular" powers to cast that jutsu.

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Question:What ocular powers did Hagormoo say she has?
Answer: Sharingan and Byukagan.
Question: What eye can cast that genjutsu?
Answer: The sharingan
Rinnegan isn't part of anything being said. He did not say that kaguya possessed the power of the rinnegan, sharingan, and byukagan now did he?

The only way you're going to receive it from the author himself is if you read the Japanese. You're not arguing objectively here. I'm not using unofficial translations. I'm using the official, original Databook. What would you say to a native Japanese person about this? That they're using a fan-made translation? No, they're using the original that was made for them. You make no sense. The English translation (regardless if from VIZ or whoever does the Databook) does not have authority over the Japanese.

It does make sense when you are not a native japanese speaker. But the viz are not online licensed officials but they are native speakers that work with Kishi for the translation. You are not there in the making of the manga or the translations and that's one of the most vital part that separates them from you.

I'm not using that as evidence however. We both know Madara used a Sharingan. I know for a fact Kaguya did not.

Yet Hagormoo said she did use a sharingan. which is a fact whether you like it or not. Manga is fact and it's their say vs. yours, and you need to learn how to deal with that.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

That doesn't mean she has the doujutsu itself. Didn't you just argue that she has the power of the sharingan without having the sharingan itself?



Hagoromoo said that she has the power of the sharingan and the byukagan, and he continued to say that she used her "ocular" powers to cast that jutsu.

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Question:What ocular powers did Hagormoo say she has?
Answer: Sharingan and Byukagan.
Question: What eye can cast that genjutsu?
Answer: The sharingan
Rinnegan isn't part of anything being said. He did not say that kaguya possessed the power of the rinnegan, sharingan, and byukagan now did he?


It does make sense when you are not a native japanese speaker. But the viz are not online licensed officials but they are native speakers that work with Kishi for the translation. You are not there in the making of the manga or the translations and that's one of the most vital part that separates them from you.

Yet Hagormoo said she did use a sharingan. which is a fact whether you like it or not. Manga is fact and it's their say vs. yours, and you need to learn how to deal with that.

you don't know how to read..."power of sharingan" doesn't mean hagoromo is calling it a sharingan...also it was called "rinne sharingan" in the official translated databook by kishimoto

 

[Holy God]

That doesn't mean she has the doujutsu itself. Didn't you just argue that she has the power of the sharingan without having the sharingan itself?

Yes, and you explained why using the power of the Sharingan without having the Sharingan is possible.

Hagoromoo said that she has the power of the sharingan and the byukagan, and he continued to say that she used her "ocular" powers to cast that jutsu.

Yes, she has the power of the Sharingan. We both agreed on this. This does not mean she has the Sharingan though as you already pointed out.

Question:What ocular powers did Hagormoo say she has?
Answer: Sharingan and Byukagan.
Question: What eye can cast that genjutsu?
Answer: The sharingan
Rinnegan isn't part of anything being said. He did not say that kaguya possessed the power of the rinnegan, sharingan, and byukagan now did he?

I didn't say anything about the Rinnegan. I don't know what this is about.

It does make sense when you are not a native japanese speaker. But the viz are not online licensed officials but they are native speakers that work with Kishi for the translation. You are not there in the making of the manga or the translations and that's one of the most vital part that separates them from you.

I don't see how you yourself would know what the VIZ translators are. Regardless, you're basically saying that since I'm not from Japan, I can't take what's in the Databook as real, regardless of if I can read it? So some South American that came to the United States that spoke both English and Spanish shouldn't be able to believe the English 4th Databook as real if it were to exist?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Yes, and you explained why using the power of the Sharingan without having the Sharingan is possible.

With other Uchiha kekkai genkai abilities yes(susanoo), possibly. However look at what I said again. Genjutsu.
How can you have a sharingan power and not but not the doujutsu to cast the genjutsu? You need the sharingan itself to cast cast a genjutsu let alone IT sharingan powers or not.

Yes, she has the power of the Sharingan. We both agreed on this. This does not mean she has the Sharingan though as you already pointed out.

Yes it does considering the fact that Hagormoo said her "ocular powers" casted IT in the first place.

I didn't say anything about the Rinnegan. I don't know what this is about.

You did once you said rinnesharingan.

I don't see how you yourself would know what the VIZ translators are. Regardless, you're basically saying that since I'm not from Japan, I can't take what's in the Databook as real, regardless of if I can read it? So some South American that came to the United States that spoke both English and Spanish shouldn't be able to believe the English 4th Databook as real if it were to exist?

What?

 

[Holy God]

With other Uchiha kekkai genkai abilities yes(susanoo), possibly. However look at what I said again. Genjutsu.
How can you have a sharingan power and not but not the doujutsu to cast the genjutsu? You need the sharingan itself to cast cast a genjutsu let alone IT sharingan powers or not.

You said only the chakra matters. If the RinneSharingan has Sharingan powers (and it would since the Sharingan came from it as you said), then it'd be able to use Sharingan powers. Sasuke's Rinnegan can use genjutsu and it's not a Sharingan.

Yes it does considering the fact that Hagormoo said her "ocular powers" casted IT in the first place.

Her "ocular powers" is referring to the Byakugan and Sharingan power he was prior talking about.

You did once you said rinnesharingan.

Not really. She's never used Rinnegan powers, so even if the eye did grant such, Hagoromo definitely wouldn't mention it.

What?

You're saying only native speakers of any language can use the Databook in that language? That if your second language was English and you weren't born in any native English-speaking country, then you wouldn't be able to use the English Databook if it existed?