[VS] [Two Scenarios]Double MS Obito vs Sage mode Minato Namikaze

[Bogard]

Then your massively misconstruing the point in favor of Minato. Being able to hold SM a couple seconds longer when the other person expended a monsterous amount of chakra while you only used a small amount is hardly commendable.

Then you are again going besides the point. The amount of time you can maintain sage mode depends on the amount of sage chakra you have at your disposal. If you're already limited in chakra while kneading natural energy, you will last in Sage Mode during a small while compared to someone kneading natural energy while being full of chakra

Besides, it also depends on the amount of natural energy you actually kneed. For example, Naruto just entered SM here [

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You need to re-read your own posts if your ignorant to that.

I read my posts and i don't see any insult, unless the definition of insult variies between germany and america

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Then you are again going besides the point. The amount of time you can maintain sage mode depends on the amount of sage chakra you have at your disposal. If you're already limited in chakra while kneading natural energy, you will last in Sage Mode during a small while compared to someone kneading natural energy while being full of chakra

Besides, it also depends on the amount of natural energy you actually kneed. For example, Naruto just entered SM here [

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], yet he was out here even without casting techniques [

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], same goes to when they were searching for Sasuke during Kage summit

I read my posts and i don't see any insult, unless the definition of insult variies between germany and america

Im gonna have to reply to this tomorrow. All the Tramadol for my mono just kicked in and im high as kite _@:

ich heiße Siegfried btw (in german class anyway.)​

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[A v i]

The scan I posted > your claim.

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You are going against your own scan pal,that scan clearly shows that Minato deactivated it after sensing Naruto.

 

[Misconception]

It changes nothing. Minato already showed to move faster [

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] than Obito can activate kamui [

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] and move faster than both Kamui teleportation [

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In other words, not only he can't activate Kamui in time, but even while teleporting, Minato is faster. It would be a remake since Obito stands no chance with one or 2 kamui

Minato only got out of that situation because he already had Kunai set... In a vs battle he has no Kunai set there for he would get sniped of ripp... Not to mention Kamui is faster in dual form and Minato won't be blitzing because Obito can stay intangible and snipe...

 

[Strict]

As Obito learned from his last fight with Minato, he will be even less careless when coming near Minato's Kunai. The next time Minato will make his Hiraishin Lv. 2 move, Obito will simply stay intangible. It's a matter of time before Obito casts a Genjutsu on Minato, while he is completely immortal due to Izanagi.

 

[ARGUS]

Minato only got out of that situation because he already had Kunai set... In a vs battle he has no Kunai set there for he would get sniped of ripp... Not to mention Kamui is faster in dual form and Minato won't be blitzing because Obito can stay intangible and snipe...

Minato has the kunai set up,,, the moment the battle starts,, its iC for him,, as he would surround the battlefield with his kunai,,,
FTG is faster than Kamui,,, having dual kamui doesnt effect its speed at all,, dont know where u get that claim from,,,
-Obito still needs to manifest physically to attack Minato, and once that happens,, he is getting attacked,,, as FTG will always outspeed kamui

 

[Misconception]

Minato has the kunai set up,,, the moment the battle starts,, its iC for him,, as he would surround the battlefield with his kunai,,,
FTG is faster than Kamui,,, having dual kamui doesnt effect its speed at all,, dont know where u get that claim from,,,
-Obito still needs to manifest physically to attack Minato, and once that happens,, he is getting attacked,,, as FTG will always outspeed kamui

Your clearly don't read the manga... Minato does not have Kunai already on the battlefield unless it was mentioned in OP when it wasen't...

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There you go buddie... Dual Kamui Obito shit's on any Minato without much difficulty bar BM Minato...

 

[benzy]

Minato wins both scenarios , pathetic attempts from some guys .

 

[Strict]

FTG is faster than Kamui,

If Obito stands near to a Kunai. And if Obito is tangible in that moment. And if Obito uses Izanagi, anything becomes ineffective.

 

[Misconception]

L0l who just neg rep(ped) me on there alt???

 

[AGoodBoy]

Your clearly don't read the manga... Minato does not have Kunai already on the battlefield unless it was mentioned in OP when it wasen't...

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There you go buddie... Dual Kamui Obito shit's on any Minato without much difficulty bar BM Minato...

You're trying to compare obito using kamui, to minato trying to throw a kunai with his mouth...? Are you retarded?

 

[Misconception]

You're trying to compare obito using kamui, to minato trying to throw a kunai with his mouth...? Are you retarded?

What are you talking about... I was using that as proof as to why dual Kamui is faster than regular Kamui...

 

[AGoodBoy]

What are you talking about... I was using that as proof as to why dual Kamui is faster than regular Kamui...

Oh well fine. Thought you were using that to say Kamui was faster than minato's ftg because of that moment...

 

[Bogard]

As Obito learned from his last fight with Minato, he will be even less careless when coming near Minato's Kunai. The next time Minato will make his Hiraishin Lv. 2 move, Obito will simply stay intangible. It's a matter of time before Obito casts a Genjutsu on Minato, while he is completely immortal due to Izanagi.

As Minato learned from his last fight with Obito, his Hiraishin is faster than both his opponent kamui activating time and teleportation. He will be even less careless when coming near him considering he needs physical contact to warp. Next time Obito tries to attack he blitz him with hiraishin. More over, every time Obito stays completely intangible, it's impossible to sense him. When you sense him you know he is tangible. All Minato has to do is blitz him at that point. It's a matter of time until Minato use clones in battle rendering all Obito offense futile. Any genjutsu would be useless while all close range attempt would mean his death(either due to hiraishin or an attack coming from the other dimension without him knowing)

 

[Strict]

Obito is immortal, due to Izanagi.
He could set on fire the entry surrounding in flames, Minato isn't prepared to that, hence there is no Kunai placed beyond this range.

He has the Sharingan, hence he could copy Kagebunshin.

Obito just needs to touch the floor and jails Minato within a barrier of fire. No placed Kunai before, and Minato can't escape.

 

[Bogard]

Obito is immortal, due to Izanagi.

Unlike his 5minutes survival capability, Minato has permanent immortality due to Kage Bunshin

He could set on fire the entry surrounding in flames, Minato isn't prepared to that, hence there is no Kunai placed beyond this range.

Requires handseals. Throwing kunais is faster. The time needed for the seal, Minato could just rapidely throw a kunai on his feet and blitz him with hiraishin like he intended to do on Jubidara. Besides, there is a time duration between the space time barrier absorption and the redirection of the attack. He could just space-time barrier absorb it and during the redirection of the attack throw it in Obito's direction for him to receive the damage of his own attack

He has the Sharingan, hence he could copy Kagebunshin.

Sasuke has sharingan, yet never showed the capacity to use the jutsu

Obito just needs to touch the floor and jails Minato within a barrier of fire. No placed Kunai before, and Minato can't escape.

Assuming he can create the barrier wherever he wants? He need to create the five finger seals before erecting the barrier. Throwing kunais is faster. Besides, the Hokage barrier is much stronger than Obito's pitful barrier. We've seen hokages were capable to create, open and close the barrier. That thing is never holding him in place

 

[Strict]

Assumed Minato will start the battle with throwing Kunai around himself. Yeah, most likely he could.
With just Manga knowledge, Minato will wonder what Obito intends when creating seals at his fingers. Why should he react to that by throwing Kunai? Obito just lays his hand on the floor and jails Minato. The barrier you talk about is something 4 Hokage created and even said to be a technique 4 Hokage would be required. A Bijuu punched Obito's barrier without scratching it, instead burning itself. Minato surely could escape most of Obito's attacks. But with the Izanagi's property to let the user appear at any spot after his death, he can catch Minato even easier off guard with a Genjutsu.

 

[Bogard]

Assumed Minato will start the battle with throwing Kunai around himself. Yeah, most likely he could.
With just Manga knowledge, Minato will wonder what Obito intends when creating seals at his fingers. Why should he react to that by throwing Kunai? Obito just lays his hand on the floor and jails Minato.

Assuming Obito will start the battle by creating seals at his fingers. Why should he do that and Minato not having already kunais set up around the battlefield when it's the first thing he always do in character? Besides, Minato is a sealing master. He is the best one to know about these type of seals

The barrier you talk about is something 4 Hokage created and even said to be a technique 4 Hokage would be required.

It's only needed to create the barrier from 4 places. We've seen Hashirama's clones capable to open areas in the barrier, and it's a much stronger barrier than Obito's. Besides, Minato intended to use a barrier to block the Kyubi during his attack, and it was a barrier stronger than the one even Sandaime couldn't break. He isn't getting hold by barriers or seals considering it's his speciality

Minato surely could escape most of Obito's attacks. But with the Izanagi's property to let the user appear at any spot after his death, he can catch Minato even easier off guard with a Genjutsu.

Whenever he would appear, he would emit chakra, something Minato would sense just like he sensed him during Kyubi's attack despite sneak attacking. He is never catching Minato off-guard, or he will catch a clone off-guard lol. Besides, it's not like his genjutsu was tsukuyomi anyway. It would be broken instantly

 

[Strict]

He is the best one to know about these type of seals

Yet no feat suggesting he could dispel the barrier.

It's only needed to create the barrier from 4 places. We've seen Hashirama's clones capable to open areas in the barrier, and it's a much stronger barrier than Obito's. Besides, Minato intended to use a barrier to block the Kyubi during his attack, and it was a barrier stronger than the one even Sandaime couldn't break. He isn't getting hold by barriers or seals considering it's his speciality.

Hype again. Hashirama opened the barrier as he was the one who created it. The opponent can't simply do that to a foreign barrier. There were Minato and Tobirama when Juubito jailed them in his Six Red Yang Formation, yet the only option was to teleport out of it.

Besides Gai stated that only four Hokage level Shinobi could create such a barrier. [

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] Either you debate with clean facts or you get silent. Minato is good with sealing Jutsu, yet he can only use those which he showed in the Manga. Because this are his feats. And you can only name feats as a counter for certain techniques.

It would be broken instantly.

lmao. Self emphasizing it as a perfect Jin controlling Genjutsu and then telling me Minato would break it instantly. Where are his feats again in this matter? Genjutsu are not something that would require to catch the opponent off guard anyway. Once Minato lets his guard down and looks into Obito's eyes, he's done. As Sakura told about the difficult to avoid eye contact due to habit, you can't decide how effectively Minato will fight while avoiding visual contact with him. He just needs to look properly at Obito and gets caught in a Genjutsu.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Then you are again going besides the point. The amount of time you can maintain sage mode depends on the amount of sage chakra you have at your disposal. If you're already limited in chakra while kneading natural energy, you will last in Sage Mode during a small while compared to someone kneading natural energy while being full of chakra

Then you and I are arguing two different things and I hardly see the point of your side of the argument.

Naruto amassed much more Senjutsu than Minato and had to expend it. I don't see how Minato being able to last a little longer in Sennin Mode while expending very little chakra as compared to Naruto when Naruto in the example you provided had to expend a very large amount of chakra is commendable at all. Especially when its clear Naruto much more exhausted, as seen by his panting and gasping after leaving Sennin Mode. While Minato was showing no signs of exhaustion after Sennin Mode.​

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Besides, it also depends on the amount of natural energy you actually kneed. For example, Naruto just entered SM here [

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This wouldn't help Minato. As his own statement proves he he's not good at Sennin Mode and takes to long to amass nature energy. He's also limited by his feats.​

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same goes to when they were searching for Sasuke during Kage summit

Travel time. The base time limit is 5 minutes, a logical transit time from where he was to Sasuke.​

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