Tsunade is a bad Hokage???

[iKaras]

Re: Tsunade is a bad Hokage???...Debatable...

I don't understand why people say that she was the worst Hokage.

You blame her on Pain's destruction of Konoha?

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Yes.

Any other Hokage then...This

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Wouldn't be this

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[Joshutsu]

Orly?

Kabuto could've killed her at any time

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Tsunade says Kabuto surpassed her in her prime

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So he won mid diff, without killing intent. Not to mention this gem where she was done.

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Or this

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If you read the thread you would have not responded with that stuff. The fight was no longer 1v1 from the time jiraya and company came on the scenes in her way. Therefore the 1v1 fight was over since Jiraya and co showed up.

Surpassing Tsunade in her prime is irrelevant, you do realise that the Tsunade fighting there was long out of her prime?

She only refers to two aspects of her in her prime as well, senses and strength.

Prime Tsunade didnt even have yin seal lol it's not much of a hype to him
Ever since then she did no fighting because she could not move. Kabuto ran away with unconcious orochimaru when Tsunade got rid of her blood fear. He knows he woulda got solo'd #lefacts

 

[Joshutsu]

Re: Tsunade is a bad Hokage???...Debatable...

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Yes.

Any other Hokage then...This

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Wouldn't be this

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Oh? Which of the others besides Minato(not even confirmed) could counter shinra tensei? That's what i thought.

Infact Tsunade deals with it better than them. She made every villager tank shinra tensei. The couldnt do that, they would lose the village and its villagers.

 

[Sageflash]

If you read the thread you would have not responded with that stuff. The fight was no longer 1v1 from the time jiraya and company came on the scenes in her way. Therefore the 1v1 fight was over since Jiraya and co showed up.

Surpassing Tsunade in her prime is irrelevant, you do realise that the Tsunade fighting there was long out of her prime?

Prime Tsunade didnt even have yin seal lol it's not much of a hype to him
Ever since then she did no fighting because she could not move. Kabuto ran away with unconcious orochimaru when Tsunade got rid of her blood fear. He knows he woulda got solo'd #lefacts

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Your backpedaling and insipid arbitration isn't helping you save face, lmao. Kabuto exposed Tsunade's weakness, and countered beautifully while admitting he isn't even good at taijutsu. As well as school Shizune neg diff with basic Doton.

Those are the facts, titboy. Those are the real facts, kid. Drawn and written in black and white. Your rationalization holds no merit, but feel free to keep dancing on those puppet strings. #KabutoWrecks

Just noticed this LOL, only 2 aspects? Senses and strength? She obviously means strength as a shinobi since Kabuto isn't physically stronger than her, lmfao.
Actually, I wouldn't put that past you. Keep it up, this is gold

 

[FatherOfMurder]

I agree, also minato was the worst hokage

Tsunade > Minato in strength, taijutsu, ninjutsu, and in being hokage. GG trolls U_U

 

[-Drāke-]

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Your backpedaling and insipid arbitration isn't helping you save face, lmao. Kabuto exposed Tsunade's weakness, and countered beautifully while admitting he isn't even good at taijutsu. As well as school Shizune neg diff with basic Doton.

Those are the facts, titboy. Those are the real facts, kid. Drawn and written in black and white. Your rationalization holds no merit, but feel free to keep dancing on those puppet strings. #KabutoWrecks

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[iKaras]

Re: Tsunade is a bad Hokage???...Debatable...

Oh? Which of the others besides Minato(not even confirmed) could counter shinra tensei? That's what i thought.

Infact Tsunade deals with it better than them. She made every villager tank shinra tensei. They(?) couldnt do that, they would lose the village and its villagers.

Search and capture for Pain. He wasn't gonna just walk to Konoha and nuke it. He would of had to deal with any other Hokage from the door anyway.

And @ Bold...then who did Nagato revive? Just Kakashi eh?

 

[Dark Magician]

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Your backpedaling and insipid arbitration isn't helping you save face, lmao. Kabuto exposed Tsunade's weakness, and countered beautifully while admitting he isn't even good at taijutsu. As well as school Shizune neg diff with basic Doton.

Those are the facts, titboy. Those are the real facts, kid. Drawn and written in black and white. Your rationalization holds no merit, but feel free to keep dancing on those puppet strings. #KabutoWrecks

Just noticed this LOL, only 2 aspects? Senses and strength? She obviously means strength as a shinobi since Kabuto isn't physically stronger than her, lmfao.
Actually, I wouldn't put that past you. Keep it up, this is gold

Lol Do you bash every female thats not Hinata?

 

[iKaras]

I agree, also minato was the worst hokage

Tsunade > Minato in strength, taijutsu, ninjutsu, and in being hokage. GG trolls U_U

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Just gonna leave now. Made my day. GG troll.​

 

[Ovan]

She just right. She will leave her legacy behind just like the other kages.

 

[-Drāke-]

Re: Tsunade is a bad Hokage???...Debatable...

Search and capture for Pain. He wasn't gonna just walk to Konoha and nuke it. He would of had to deal with any other Hokage from the door anyway.

And @ Bold...then who did Nagato revive? Just Kakashi eh?

Well it could have possibly been the ninjas that got fodderized before that

 

[Sageflash]

Lol Do you bash every female thats not Hinata?

No, I quite like Tsunade actually. But to say she didn't get beaten by Kabuto is outlandish and then accuse ME of not reading properly is even stupider when his baseless claims like "durr it wasn't a solo because a 20% Jiraiya showed up and did nothing until the deadlock" only further decrease his credibility.

And just happens Tsunade hasn't done anything for Konoha but heal during Pain's invasion and get railed by Madara in the war. And those are the facts.

 

[KingHashirama]

Not really.

- Minato's failure in politics
- Hiruzen's failures in politics
- Traitors in the village
- Less powerful shinobi in the village


led to the things Tsunade had to deal with.

What people fail to realize is, Tsunade wanted Naruto to face pain... Hence she didn't bother taking the offense. "she relied on Naruto" uh no.. her plan was to help Naruto out with the "Hokage dream".. So instead of going on the offense she chose to stand back and stay on the healing. And let others take care of the offense.


Tsunade did everything for a reason. No intelligent member or person can call her the worst Hokage over Hiruzen and Minato.. period.

Now watch all the Hiruzen/Minato fans attack me. -sigh-.

No, I quite like Tsunade actually. But to say she didn't get beaten by Kabuto is outlandish and then accuse ME of not reading properly is even stupider when his baseless claims like "durr it wasn't a solo because a 20% Jiraiya showed up and did nothing until the deadlock" only further decrease his credibility.

And just happens Tsunade hasn't done anything for Konoha but heal during Pain's invasion and get railed by Madara in the war. And those are the facts.

So you land couple of hits on me, in a fight , cause you got me off guard, and i hadn't fought for over 20 years.. but just as i'm about to start getting into the real fight.. you call the match over.. who wins? you or me? rofl. No one.... Same sh*t happened there..

Tsunade would've beat the f*ck out of Kabuto if Naruto and etc hadn't shown up.

Kabuto was too slow. Luckily Naruto and Jiraiya interfered.

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[AllHailKurama]

Not really.

- Minato's failure in politics
- Hiruzen's failures in politics
- Traitors in the village
- Less powerful shinobi in the village


led to the things Tsunade had to deal with.

What people fail to realize is, Tsunade wanted Naruto to face pain... Hence she didn't bother taking the offense. "she relied on Naruto" uh no.. her plan was to help Naruto out with the "Hokage dream".. So instead of going on the offense she chose to stand back and stay on the healing. And let others take care of the offense.


Tsunade did everything for a reason. No intelligent member or person can call her the worst Hokage over Hiruzen and Minato.. period.

Now watch all the Hiruzen/Minato fans attack me. -sigh-.



So you land couple of hits on me, in a fight , cause you got me off guard, and i hadn't fought for over 20 years.. but just as i'm about to start getting into the real fight.. you call the match over.. who wins? you or me? rofl. No one.... Same sh*t happened there..

Tsunade would've beat the f*ck out of Kabuto if Naruto and etc hadn't shown up.

Kabuto was too slow. Luckily Naruto and Jiraiya interfered.

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I agree, I posted Tsunade is an excellent hokage earlier in the thread (not gonna get into the Kabuto thing, no idea what that's about lol didn't pay attention to that part because it doesn't affect me). My only question to you is why you think Minato failed politically? We really didn't see any about any of his political decisions, he died to fast to do anything. Do you mean Tobirama? He's the one that had questionable policies with the Uchiha. Minato stated that had he been alive he woul have done things differently.

 

[KingHashirama]

I agree, I posted Tsunade is an excellent hokage earlier in the thread. My only question to you is why you think Minato failed politically? We really didn't see any about any of his political decisions, he died to fast to do anything. Do you mean Tobirama? He's the one that had questionable policies with the Uchiha. Minato stated that had he been alive he woul have done things differently.

not doing anything politically at all = doing bad..... lol.

to minato doing bad=/= having bad policies.. Its simply.. he can't be compared to other Hokages.. when it comes to this. Yes he saved the village.. but last time i checked that was the job of every single shinobi in the village..

JFK and Minato are the same. Big time hope.. hardly any impactful political actions.

Tobirama had no questionable policies with the Uchiha. In fact if you are basing Tobirama's policies off of Hiruzen and Danzo's.. then you are surely mistaken.. Because Tobirama kept the Uchiha connected, and made them in charge of the safety of the village, which the Uchiha took serious.. while Hiruzen and Danzo tried to take matters into their own hands about the safety..

 

[Sageflash]

Not really.

- Minato's failure in politics
- Hiruzen's failures in politics
- Traitors in the village
- Less powerful shinobi in the village


led to the things Tsunade had to deal with.

What people fail to realize is, Tsunade wanted Naruto to face pain... Hence she didn't bother taking the offense. "she relied on Naruto" uh no.. her plan was to help Naruto out with the "Hokage dream".. So instead of going on the offense she chose to stand back and stay on the healing. And let others take care of the offense.


Tsunade did everything for a reason. No intelligent member or person can call her the worst Hokage over Hiruzen and Minato.. period.

Now watch all the Hiruzen/Minato fans attack me. -sigh-.



So you land couple of hits on me, in a fight , cause you got me off guard, and i hadn't fought for over 20 years.. but just as i'm about to start getting into the real fight.. you call the match over.. who wins? you or me? rofl. No one.... Same sh*t happened there..

Tsunade would've beat the f*ck out of Kabuto if Naruto and etc hadn't shown up.

Kabuto was too slow. Luckily Naruto and Jiraiya interfered.

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No, I call winner based on last man standing and most damage done. Kabuto found Tsunade's weakness and exploited it like a shinobi then proceeded to literally stomp on her face repeatedly for funsies. Not to mention Tsunade praising Kabuto as to have rivaled/surpassed her prime form while Kabuto didn't even use his Doton techniques on her, but engaged her in his weakest area: taijutsu.

I'd say that constitutes a win. They are ninja after all, fighting fair isn't exactly their MO.

 

[AllHailKurama]

not doing anything politically at all = doing bad..... lol.

to minato doing bad=/= having bad policies.. Its simply.. he can't be compared to other Hokages.. when it comes to this. Yes he saved the village.. but last time i checked that was the job of every single shinobi in the village..

JFK and Minato are the same. Big time hope.. hardly any impactful political actions.

Tobirama had no questionable policies with the Uchiha. In fact if you are basing Tobirama's policies off of Hiruzen and Danzo's.. then you are surely mistaken.. Because Tobirama kept the Uchiha connected, and made them in charge of the safety of the village, which the Uchiha took serious.. while Hiruzen and Danzo tried to take matters into their own hands about the safety..

Lol you can't blame Minato for dying to save his village thus not allowing him to do political good. On Tobirama, I agree with the police part, but as a result they were isolated from the village and he kind of moved them away from everybody else, stirring up resentment. He should have addressed that by integrating them in the village again, as well as having more than one group a part of the police, but still have the Uchiha control it, thus lowering the amount of distrust amongst the villagers toward the Uchiha.

 

[archbeta]

Well there are 5 valid reasons:
The first is:
Death of loved ones and gambling caused Tsunade to ABANDON the village.
Death of Madara's brother gave Madara Hate
Truth about Itachi + Death of parents made Sasuke want to destroy Konoha

Whereas
Death of parents, everyone hating or ignoring him, treated like a monster and Naruto still believes in greater good.
Hashirama lives in a time of war, he loses family, his new 'best' friend rejects him because of the times and Hashirama still believes in greater good.

Tsunade's actions can be compared to antagonists rather than protagonists.

 

[KingHashirama]

No, I call winner based on last man standing and most damage done. Kabuto found Tsunade's weakness and exploited it like a shinobi then proceeded to literally stomp on her face repeatedly for funsies. Not to mention Tsunade praising Kabuto as to have rivaled/surpassed her prime form while Kabuto didn't even use his Doton techniques on her, but engaged her in his weakest area: taijutsu.

I'd say that constitutes a win.

I'm not even talking about the blood.. Their fight ended the moment Naruto and jiraiya interfered. Then he proceeded to take advantage of that opertunity.. and do the blood crap.

And please read the manga carefully mate, because you have too many misconceptions that give rise to false debates in the future.

Tsunade said he MAY one day surpass her prime. Kabuto took a soldier pill.. plus Doton techniques would have only resulted in his loss fast.. since the best way to fight her was going to be getting her to tire out..

And sure if you can't finish off the opponent in a 1 vs 1 fight, and take advantage of an interference..and call that a win.. then so be it.. but then in my eyes.. you ain't a legit fighter. Just saying. ;p

 

[archbeta]

The second is:
Hashirama believed in a greater good on his own accord
Hiruzen believed in a greater good on his own accord
Minato believed in a greater good on his own accord
Naruto believes in a greater good on his own accord
Tsunade believes in a greater good as a direct result of Naruto's ideals.
They all wanted to bring peace to the world, the only difference is that Tsunade only wanted it because Naruto wanted it.