True weakness of the Shinsuusenju

[Lightbringer]

Ok then. Its irrelevant.



It did stand a good distance away from it, that fact doesn't change. The only thing that changes if how much distance it can travel at once due to its size, nor does this show me how how Kurama is going to completely avoid the Buddha's attack and blow it up with rapid fire Bijuu Dama.


I said it crossed a large distance and grabbed Kurama before it could react (FACT, don't try and dispute it), I never said it ran at great speed. Is your stupidity preventing you from reading correctly? I think so.



Fast for its size doesn't mean that its fast in general, nor does that wording affect my argument whether or not its correct or incorrect as it doesn't invalidate the fact it covered a large distance in a short time due its size, not its speed.

Funny, I never said that, I do recall a certain fanboy talking about how its going to completely outrun its range despite the fact that its not even fast itself, and the fact that the Buddha can move (It being large even lets it cross more distance than Kurama can at once) , while Madara rapid fires Bijuu Dama at it, blowing it up...




No, you really didn't. You only managed to twist my words around to try and make your argument seem like it beat mine, even though it beat something I was never arguing.

-You beat the Buddha being fast. I never said it was fast, I said it can cross large distances in short times. That is a fact no matter how hard you b*tch, moan and whine as the manga showed it. Don't like it? I don't care.

The bold is simply what you think, I don't care what I look like, nor do I think I'm hot shit just because of a post. Don't impose your stupid idiotic thoughts on me and try to say that they are mine, cause they aren't. This is a clear sign of butthurt.

Like I said, fanboys will be fanboys. Madara fanboys are definitely the worst as of now.

I think crusading against Madara fanboys made you delusional

recall when I said I fully admit that Madara lost to Hashirama? Yes?

I also knew that Madara lost to Hashirama even way before the fight was shown because they already stated it in the manga


Also did you read the title of my thread? "The true weakness of the Shinsuusenju"

This thread is about how the Shinsuusenju could be defeated via kyuubi or any nimble bijuu theoretically, not that EMS Madara is superior to Hashirama

Now, this is just a scenario that popped into my head and wanted to share this idea with everyone else.....but you know what I get, some kid that wants to think that I'm trying to debate EMS Madara>Hashirama

NO! I don't because I know Hashirama is stronger......so why are you here?


I don't make vs threads, only threads about things I've analyzed and wanted to share. I don't like starting hostile arguments, but people like you force me to do so because you misunderstand the point of me making the thread in the first place.





oh and as for you never saying that the Shinsuusenju never ran at great speed, let me refresh your memory.

Shinsuusenju was able to run up to Kurama and snatch him up before he could react.
Shinsuusenju can move, and pretty fast for a big statue at that.

and then you were saying that the kyuubi doesn't have any speed feats......so unless you meant something completely different, I take it as you believed that the Shinsuusenju was faster than the Kyuubi

and saying that I was wanking Madara also reinforced the idea that you believed that this scenario is completely impossible and the Shinsuusenju could outrun the Kyuubi.


which then started this whole debacle of trying to prove speed feats.








The only point, a simple point no less, I was making is that if the Kyuubi kept its distance and kept firing TBB, and always maintaining distance from the Shinsuusenju that it would have won.

so let me ask you something. If the Kyuubi was indeed fast and able to maintain said distance and that the Shinsuusenju was slow and not in range of grabbing the Kyuubi......would my theory then be correct?

 

[KidGamer65]

Also did you read the title of my thread? "The true weakness of the Shinsuusenju"

This thread is about how the Shinsuusenju could be defeated via kyuubi or any nimble bijuu theoretically, not that EMS Madara is superior to Hashirama

Now, this is just a scenario that popped into my head and wanted to share this idea with everyone else.....but you know what I get, some kid that wants to think that I'm trying to debate EMS Madara>Hashirama

NO! I don't because I know Hashirama is stronger......so why are you here?

I'm here to show that your thread is invalid. I'm here to tell you to stop making excuses for Madara's defeat, which is what you are doing, don't even try to deny it.

"Madara lost because of plot"

"plot shielded"

Those are excuses, number 1 excuses people use all the time. Plot. These were stated by you in your thread.

Why would I debate EMS Madara vs Hashirama when Hashirama already beat him in canon? lmao...not even sure if serious.

oh and as for you never saying that the Shinsuusenju never ran at great speed, let me refresh your memory.

You quote me and you still can't get it right.

Shinsuusenju was able to run up to Kurama and snatch him up before he could react.
Shinsuusenju can move, and pretty fast for a big statue at that.

Where do you see the words "great speed"? I said it ran, and it moved fast for such a big statue, whether you view that as false or true doesn't really matter to me nor does it affect my argument.

and then you were saying that the kyuubi doesn't have any speed feats......so unless you meant something completely different, I take it as you believed that the Shinsuusenju was faster than the Kyuubi


which then started this whole debacle of trying to prove speed feats.

Yeah, you never should have assumed the bold. Buddha doesn't need to be faster to catch the Kyuubi.

so let me ask you something. If the Kyuubi was indeed fast and able to maintain said distance......would my theory then be correct?

Sure, don't see why not.

 

[Lightbringer]

I'm here to show that your thread is invalid. I'm here to tell you to stop making excuses for Madara's defeat, which is what you are doing, don't even try to deny it.

"Madara lost because of plot"

"plot shielded"

Those are excuses, number 1 excuses people use all the time. Plot. These were stated by you in your thread.

Why would I debate EMS Madara vs Hashirama when Hashirama already beat him in canon? lmao...not even sure if serious.



You quote me and you still can't get it right.

Shinsuusenju was able to run up to Kurama and snatch him up before he could react.
Shinsuusenju can move, and pretty fast for a big statue at that.

Where do you see the words "great speed"? I said it ran, and it moved fast for such a big statue, whether you view that as false or true doesn't really matter to me nor does it affect my argument.



Yeah, you never should have assumed the bold. Buddha doesn't need to be faster to catch the Kyuubi.

Sure, don't see why not.

I'm disregarding everything else you said because the @bolded was all I wanted to hear......that was the only point I was making.....that it was possible to happen

not that it should have happened, not that Madara was stronger, but that he could have defeated the Shinsuusenju if hypothetically the Kyuubi was faster than the Shinsuusenju and was able to maintain distance whilst firing constant TBB.

Again, I was never stating fact that this was a certain outcome.....but because naturally, when I see a hulking statue with thousands of arms on its back.....I don't see it being able to move fast or at least fast enough to catch the kyuubi

sure the full Kyuubi may not have speed feats.....but honestly, bullsh*tting aside, there's no way it can't outrun the Shinsuusenju and maintain distance from it.


so all that arguing was for nothing

and as for plot-shielded. Hashirama defeating Madara was stated in part 1 Naruto before they were even introduced as character, so obviously Kishi had to make something up that could defeat the kyuubi.

that doesn't mean that his logic was flawless.....and that goes for every Naruto battle....not just Madara vs Hashirama. There are a lot of could have, would have, should have scenario's

 

[juppongatana]

well this is just a character based assumption, we all know that Madara wants to prove the ("so called") power of the uchiha against his biggest counterpart ( Hashirama). And the idea of him fighting the SHinsuusenju head on, in my opinion is a natural character design based reaction. I mean proving Uchiha's superiority to the God of the Shinobi world should be proven in every aspects as a shinobi, should it be fighting style, techniques ,or Brute force.

 

[KidGamer65]

I'm disregarding everything else you said because the @bolded was all I wanted to hear......that was the only point I was making.....that it was possible to happen

You clearly stated that the fox should have been able to get away because its nimble, implying that he could have done so, but he couldn't have, so no the point you were trying to make is false.

The bold isn't the point you were trying to make. If it was, you never should have said that Kurama is fast enough to get out of Shinsuusenju's range completely, and then start firing rapid fire Bijuu Dama.

sure the full Kyuubi may not have speed feats.....but honestly, bullsh*tting aside, there's no way it can't outrun the Shinsuusenju and maintain distance from it.

Saying it can get out of Shinsuusenju's range and blow it up from a distance using multiple Bijuu Dama is bullshitting.

 

[Lightbringer]

You clearly stated that the fox should have been able to get away because its nimble, implying that he could have done so, but he couldn't have, so no the point you were trying to make is false.

The bold isn't the point you were trying to make. If it was, you never should have said that Kurama is fast enough to get out of Shinsuusenju's range completely, and then start firing rapid fire Bijuu Dama.



Saying it can get out of Shinsuusenju's range and blow it up from a distance using multiple Bijuu Dama is bullshitting.

sure we can argue that the Shinsuusenju can catch up and what not, but there's not enough info to say that it can. You're judging it's speed from one page.

But like I said, most would naturally assume that the Kyuubi would be faster and able to outmaneuver it, if given that order during battle.

and it's more sensible for a giant fox to be faster than an ever bigger statue.

I don't see why you really think the fox can't get out of range quick enough for a giant hulking statue

you're reasoning is because it doesn't have speed feats, but that just sounds stupid on paper for something that huge with thousands of arms adding weight, in the shape of a human, to be able to close distance with a smaller fox easily.




so no, I wouldn't call that wanking as you bluntly and rudely put it, because that was the reasoning in my head when I thought of this scenario.