True weakness of the Shinsuusenju

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The Buddha is taking a beating

 

[Sefirosu Masamune]

he wasn't as far as you make it out to be; the shinsuusenju was summoned at arms length to the kyuubi from the start

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i mean if kyuubi would have moved farther away. but you are right i didnt realize he was that close. but what im saying is if he would have backed up and attacked from a distance he still would have been countered.

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Hashirama was countering long range attack all match before he even used his most powerful jutsu. He countered in base form, and with Wood dragon so logically Madara would know he could counter in sage mode with shinsuusenju

 

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While I agree it's weak to long range attacks, it still tanked PS swords + tbb's beign fired at it.Several at that. Anything that can tank a tbb alone has some durability. Let alone a barrage of them, and still have enough firepower to come back and air the kyuubi out.

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Some of you are saying Shinsusenju doesn't have any real mobility feats, but you guys forget the statue actually reached out and grabbed Kurama before he could even react. It's actually quicker than most of you give it credit for, but I agree, if Kurama is jumping around, it's probably not catching it.

 

[Lightbringer]

While I agree it's weak to long range attacks, it still tanked PS swords + tbb's beign fired at it.Several at that. Anything that can tank a tbb alone has some durability. Let alone a barrage of them, and still have enough firepower to come back and air the kyuubi out.

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Some of you are saying Shinsusenju doesn't have any real mobility feats, but you guys forget the statue actually reached out and grabbed Kurama before he could even react. It's actually quicker than most of you give it credit for, but I agree, if Kurama is jumping around, it's probably not catching it.

well like I said in my previous comment, the Shinsuusenju was already summoned at arms length to the kyuubi.....so there was hardly any mobility feat there(I mean walking while getting shot at, not moving his arms)

and judging by the scans, the TBB didn't look like they were hitting the main body, but only the arms......

I don't see how it would make sense for the body to tank it but not the thousand arms if they are made form the same material and the arms together are more thicker than the actual body.

 

[Multiply]

well like I said in my previous comment, the Shinsuusenju was already summoned at arms length to the kyuubi.....so there was hardly any mobility feat there(I mean walking while getting shot at, not moving his arms)

and judging by the scans, the TBB didn't look like they were hitting the main body, but only the arms......

I don't see how it would make sense for the body to tank it but not the thousand arms if they are made form the same material and the arms together are more thicker than the actual body.

So it's shinsusenju's fault because Madara(Or Kurama) couldn't aim the TBB's at the main body? Shinsusenju still tanked the shots.

 

[Lightbringer]

So it's shinsusenju's fault because Madara(Or Kurama) couldn't aim the TBB's at the main body? Shinsusenju still tanked the shots.

you misunderstand my point


it was plot-shielded

 

[H a n]

Never thought about it like that. o.o

 

[-ahhimane-]

What about Shinsuusenju attempting a BODY SLAM ON THE KYUUBI-SUSANO'O WITH ITS HANDS STRETCHED OUT?

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[Mitarashi]

What about Shinsuusenju attempting a BODY SLAM ON THE KYUUBI-SUSANO'O WITH ITS HANDS STRETCHED OUT?

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HAHAHA
Hashirama would also be crushed, or else this'd be the way to go.

Madara summons down a few meteors, sits the PS Kyuubi on top and tbbs it's face from out of range. The Buddha can't jump. and It can't 'reach out' any further. Madara wins.
Or Madara could have just used Genjutsu, he obviously had Tsukuyomi..

 

[Lightbringer]

What about Shinsuusenju attempting a BODY SLAM ON THE KYUUBI-SUSANO'O WITH ITS HANDS STRETCHED OUT?

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the kyuubi could literally just walk back a few inches out of the way lol

 

[-ahhimane-]

the kyuubi could literally just walk back a few inches out of the way lol

lol man look the size of the both the figures. Backing a few inches won't do any good, because Hashirama is still sitting at the top over his wooden golem. Plus, the shinsuusenju hands can be extended.

 

[KidGamer65]

Shinsuusenju was able to run up to Kurama and snatch him up before he could react. [

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Shinsuusenju can move, and pretty fast for a big statue at that. It started at that distance and ended up at this distance in a second or two. [

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] There is a Mountain in between Kurama and Shinsuusenju before the latter moved toward Kurama.

Where is the proof that Kurama can do what you say? Oh wait, its nonexistent, cause that is you taking feats from BM Naruto's Kurama Avatar, which is made out of nothing but chakra and not flesh and bones. Kurama isn't jumping up and down and running in circles like you claim, especially when its clad in Perfect Susanoo's armor.

There was no plot involved, just Madara fans making excuses for his defeat.

 

[Bronze]

I agree.

Shinsuusenju is godamn slow because the amount of weights its carrying is extremely heavy and the statue itself is huge. If Madara kept his distance away, he would have won. I guess its plot. Although Madara destroyed the remains of Shinsuusenju after Kyuubi was taking from him.

 

[TheSages456]

This is absolutely pathetic. The kyuubi was nowhere near shinsuusenjus body. The arms stretched and hit the kyuubi.

 

[Lightbringer]

This is absolutely pathetic. The kyuubi was nowhere near shinsuusenjus body. The arms stretched and hit the kyuubi.

how's that pathetic?

The shinsuusenju was already summoned at close proximity to the Kyuubi. It didn't stretch anything, his thousand arms were already in reach of Kurama.

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Shinsuusenju was able to run up to Kurama and snatch him up before he could react. [

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Shinsuusenju can move, and pretty fast for a big statue at that. It started at that distance and ended up at this distance in a second or two. [

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] There is a Mountain in between Kurama and Shinsuusenju before the latter moved toward Kurama.

Where is the proof that Kurama can do what you say? Oh wait, its nonexistent, cause that is you taking feats from BM Naruto's Kurama Avatar, which is made out of nothing but chakra and not flesh and bones. Kurama isn't jumping up and down and running in circles like you claim, especially when its clad in Perfect Susanoo's armor.


There was no plot involved, just Madara fans making excuses for his defeat.

that doesn't make sense.....why would Kurama not be able to jump and run away when half its power can? There's nothing different about it's body aside for lack of fur and it being smaller in size......

also it's a fox......foxes can do that


and no, there was no "mountain distance" between them. look at the scan above, the Shinsuusenju was already summoned close enough to the kyuubi that it could just extend it's thousand arms and reach out.

You're saying that the fox has no feats of jumping and running in circles, yet you're saying the Shinsuusenju can move pretty fast and cover great distance within seconds......I find this pretty ironic, claiming I'm the one making up feats with biased opinion

sure my opinion may involve favoritism, but so is yours; so stop saying Madara fans always making excuses

Madara's loss in the fight was predestined anyways due to the Senju Ancestor defeating the Uchiha Ancestor and their wills being passed down. So, yeah, I'd say that's plot right there

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[Smd]

just another reason why i think madara was nerfed into "losing"

 

[KidGamer65]

that doesn't make sense.....why would Kurama not be able to jump and run away when half its power can? There's nothing different about it's body aside for lack of fur and it being smaller in size......

also it's a fox......foxes can do that

Flesh and Bones isn't going to be as nimble and light as chakra, that doesn't even make sense. Especially since Kurama Avatar is made of chakra and smaller than 100% Kurama, who was coated in Susanoo at the time, further adding on to why it isn't doing any of the stuff you are claiming it can do. It being half its power makes no damn sense and isn't even a valid reason to say it can do so.

The bold is probably one of the dumbest things I've heard today. Cause all foxes are gargantuan in size amirite? Cause all foxes get cloaked in gargantuan Susanoo Armor to fight amirite?

and no, there was no "mountain distance" between them. look at the scan above, the Shinsuusenju was already summoned close enough to the kyuubi that it could just extend it's thousand arms and reach out.

There is a Mountain between them so they were a Mountain distance or a bit less than a Mountain Distance apart, not that hard a concept to grasp. Doesn't change that its a large distance. Nothing you stated even changes the distance, it just shows that Shinsuusenju can reach that far, so I don't know what you were trying to refute here, cause you did a piss poor job of doing so. I'll even post a scan with a drawing to clearly point it out.

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Are you going to sit there and blatantly lie about what is posted in that scan? Huh? lmao, Madara fans kill me..

You're saying that the fox has no feats of jumping and running in circles, yet you're saying the Shinsuusenju can move pretty fast and cover great distance within seconds......I find this pretty ironic, claiming I'm the one making up feats with biased opinion

lmao, it already did in the manga pal. Whether you can deal with it or not doesn't really matter, though you were probably too busy trying to figure out what excuses to make once Madara lost to notice.. Not to mention I said it moves fast for a giant statue, don't twist my words around.

Shinsuusenju started at the distance shown in the scan above, and ran as shown in this scan.

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Ended up right in front of the Kyuubi.

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-Are you going to spout more bs about how I'm making up feats?
-Are you going to spout more bs about how my opinion is influenced by favoritism?
-Are you going to say that the Buddha didn't cover that distance in a few seconds at the very most?

lmao, and you'll still probably come here spouting more BS....

sure my opinion may involve favoritism, but so is yours; so stop saying Madara fans always making excuses

Nothing I stated was influenced by favoritism nor am I a fan of Hashirama, so please stop spouting bull, you've spouted enough.

Madara's loss in the fight was predestined anyways due to the Senju Ancestor defeating the Uchiha Ancestor and their wills being passed down. So, yeah, I'd say that's plot right there

Madara lost cause he was weaker, its as simple as that. I don't know when you fanboys will understand this.

Bold is why Sasuke beat Naruto at the VoTE amirite? lmao, stop making excuses, its pathetic.

 

[Dantee]

No matter how you wanna twist or turn manga facts Hashirama's Shinnsenju owned MAdara+Kyuubi. It did it once it will do it again.

 

[Lightbringer]

No matter how you wanna twist or turn manga facts Hashirama's Shinnsenju owned MAdara+Kyuubi. It did it once it will do it again.

I'm not saying he didn't, I'm just saying that Madara could have owned him if he played smart

and the do it again part is still yet to be seen

 

[Lightbringer]

Flesh and Bones isn't going to be as nimble and light as chakra, that doesn't even make sense. Especially since Kurama Avatar is made of chakra and smaller than 100% Kurama, who was coated in Susanoo at the time, further adding on to why it isn't doing any of the stuff you are claiming it can do. It being half its power makes no damn sense and isn't even a valid reason to say it can do so.

Really? So you're saying chakra is nimble and light but Susanoo armor is heavy? Nice logic there KidG

How exactly do you know how much the chakra kyuubi weighs? You don't, you just assume it does.

The bold is probably one of the dumbest things I've heard today. Cause all foxes are gargantuan in size amirite? Cause all foxes get cloaked in gargantuan Susanoo Armor to fight amirite?

How's that dumb? Cause foxes apparently can't jump or run amarite? Yeah, it being big wouldn't prevent it from being able to run.

And as you yourself said, chakra is light, so by your logic susanoo armor shouldn't hinder it at all.

There is a Mountain between them so they were a Mountain distance or a bit less than a Mountain Distance apart, not that hard a concept to grasp. Doesn't change that its a large distance. Nothing you stated even changes the distance, it just shows that Shinsuusenju can reach that far, so I don't know what you were trying to refute here, cause you did a piss poor job of doing so. I'll even post a scan with a drawing to clearly point it out.

That's not mountain distance.....if you were to scale it to their size, the distance would be a meter in length, give or take......

The Shinsuusenju in that scan needs to take about 2-3 steps. He doesn't need to run a marathon to the next page over, because then that would be mountain distance.

You're just trying to justify it having some speed feats from b*llsht logic.

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Are you going to sit there and blatantly lie about what is posted in that scan? Huh? lmao, Madara fans kill me..

Ok hypocrite.....whatever you say.

Didn't know this was special ed class to grasp the concept of scaling distance.

It's a meter's length, not "mountain distance" to objects of that size.

lmao, it already did in the manga pal. Whether you can deal with it or not doesn't really matter, though you were probably too busy trying to figure out what excuses to make once Madara lost to notice.. Not to mention I said it moves fast for a giant statue, don't twist my words around.

How exactly can you tell how fast it moves from a still image? GTFO, twisting your words.

You immediately attack me, saying I'm making excuses for Madara. Dude STFU seriously; an excuse would be "he let himself lose on purpose" or "that he wasn't going all out and just trying to get Hashi's DNA"

I fully admit he lost to Hashirama

This thread is about Madara being an idiot in the battle and in theory could have won if he were to just keep his distance; but he didn't, which makes him the loser.

Every battle in Naruto has a flaw in logic which could have turned the tables of the fight, this is the one in Madara's battle.

Yes I like Madara, but I'm not blinded

Sure I may argue for him sometimes, sometimes just because I get annoyed with other arguments against him, but I know the limits to when it starts to get ridiculous.

This is all hypothetical, not literal.

Shinsuusenju started at the distance shown in the scan above, and ran as shown in this scan.

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Ended up right in front of the Kyuubi.

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-Are you going to spout more bs about how I'm making up feats?
-Are you going to spout more bs about how my opinion is influenced by favoritism?
-Are you going to say that the Buddha didn't cover that distance in a few seconds at the very most?

lmao, and you'll still probably come here spouting more BS....

-You're claiming to know how fast the Shinsuusenju ran toward the kyuubi from a panel. It was summoned at a meter's length to the kyuubi and needed to take a few steps, not run to it. Taking 2-3 steps to cover distance isn't a speed feat.

-Um from what I've just stated. You're saying it's not logical for the Kyuubi to run and jump to cover distance but the Shinsuusenju is fast for it's size. How's that not influenced by favoritism? Judging by the way you're responding, you believe the Shinsuusenju can outrun the kyuubi amirite?

-Taking 3 steps only takes a few seconds; again, that isn't a speed feat? See, biased opinion; you overlook the fact that that's all it needed to do.

Nothing I stated was influenced by favoritism nor am I a fan of Hashirama, so please stop spouting bull, you've spouted enough.

Bullsh*t

or maybe you just argue because you believe every Madara thread is only an excuse for his loss because you've seen so many and started to dislike Madara, which would induce favoritism toward Hashirama in debates with them.

Madara lost cause he was weaker, its as simple as that. I don't know when you fanboys will understand this.

Bold is why Sasuke beat Naruto at the VoTE amirite? lmao, stop making excuses, its pathetic.

I don't know what the slang "VoTE" means, but their destined battle is the final battle.

Madara and Hashirama fought countless times before, but it was only the final battle that was fated.

The concept goes with the theme of Peace through love triumphs over peace through power.....which is also why Obito lost. Destiny.

So not an excuse, you just want to sound intelligent and call other people idiots without accepting any sort of perspective.