True weakness of the Shinsuusenju

[Shadow Phantasm]

You would have to be at a fairly large distance to not get smacked by one of the Shinsuusnsenju's arms.The statue probaly has a reach that makes fighting it at a short distance pretty stupid.

 

[KidGamer65]

The "logic" in this post almost killed me...........A meter away? Are you serious? Log off.

Really? So you're saying chakra is nimble and light but Susanoo armor is heavy? Nice logic there KidG

How exactly do you know how much the chakra kyuubi weighs? You don't, you just assume it does.

-We've already seen that its heavy given what it does to the ground and given the fact its not even fast. [

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I didn't say that its nimble solely because its chakra, I said that you can't transfer the feats from 50% Kurama Avatar to 100% Kurama when the chakra avatar is lighter than the flesh and bone Kurama who is not only far far larger than Kurama. Even if I'm wrong about the chakra part to an extent, the size difference alone flaws your whole argument.

Feats clearly show that its lighter, hence the Bijuu not being able to jump around like Naruto can in his Kurama Avatar.

How's that dumb? Cause foxes apparently can't jump or run amarite? Yeah it being big wouldn't prevent it from being able to run.

And as you yourself said, chakra is light so by your logic susanoo armor shouldn't hinder it at all.

Already addressed this, repeating it doesn't really help you.

A smaller lighter fox is going to be faster than a bigger heavier fox, are you now incapable of processing something as basic as this now? Lmao, the stupidity is killing me.

That's not mountain distance.....if you were to scale it to their size, the distance would be a meter length give or take......

A meter? So a Mountain (Which is what's between them) is a meter? How stupid do you sound right now? A meter, lmao, Madara fanboys kill me with their bullshit. That distance is longer than the Kyuubi itself yet you come in here with your idiocy and say it was a meter? I guess by your shitty logic the Kyuubi isn't even a meter long :leaf: Why I don't take fanboys seriously.

the Shinsuusenju in that scan needs to take about 2-3 steps. He doesn't need to run a marathon to the next page over, because then that would be mountain distance.

Not really, as the scan clearly shows they were almost a Mountain apart, but of course, we have a fanboy here trying to say it was a meter distance...lmao.

you're just trying to justify it having some speed feats from b*llsht logic.

Nah, mangna shows that its fast for its size.

ok hypocrite.....whatever you say

didn't know this was special ed class to grasp the concept of scaling distance

it's a meter's length, not "mountain distance" to objects of that size

You clearly don't know how to scale for shit if you think that they were a meter apart.

3.28084 feet

That is a meter, are you really sitting here and telling me that they were 3 feet apart? What a f*cking moron....

How exactly can you tell how fast it moves from a still image? GTFO twisting your words

I never said how fast it was moving, I said that it was fast enough to run that distance (That had most of a Mountain separating them), reach out, and grab Kurama before he could react. That is a manga fact whether you can deal with it or not.

you immediately attack me, saying I'm making excuses for Madara. Dude STFU seriously; an excuse would be he let himself lose on purpose or that he wasn't going all out and just trying to get Hashi's DNA

"Madara lost because of plot"

That is an excuse genius, or do you not even know that? Apparently you don't.

I fully admit he lost to Hashirama

Never said you didn't. You saying he lost because of plot is the problem here.

This thread is about Madara being an idiot in the battle and in theory could have won if he were to just keep his distance; but he didn't, which makes him the loser.

Madara wasn't an idiot in battle because he didn't do something that wasn't even possible.

Yes I like Madara, but I'm not blinded

Sure I may argue for him sometimes, sometimes just because I get annoyed with other arguments, but I know the limits to when it gets ridiculous.

This is all hypothetical, not literal.

-States that Kurama and Buddha were a meter (3.2 feet apart) and says that he knows the limits to when it gets ridiculous? My god...not sure if serious. :|

-You're claiming to know how fast the Shinsuusenju ran toward the kyuubi from a panel. It was summoned at a meter's length to the kyuubi and needed to take a few steps, not run to it. Taking 2-3 steps to cover distance isn't a speed feat.

I didn't claim that I knew how fast it was moving as stated above.

-It clearly ran.
-It clearly covered a large distance in that time, so its a speed feat.


Again with the 1 meter bullshit? I stopped taking you seriously right there.

-Um from what I've just stated. You're saying it's not logical for the Kyuubi to run and jump to cover distance but the Shinsuusenju is fast for it's size. How's that not influenced by favoritism? Judging by the way you're responding, you believe the shinsuusenju can outrun the kyuubi amirite?

I never said that I believe Shinsuusenju can outrun the Kyuubi. I simply said that Madara isn't getting out of its reach and firing off Bijuu Dama to destroy the statue before it comes and pounds Susanoo open just like it did in the manga.

Shinsuusenju being fast for its size=/=Being fast at all. I never stated it was fast in general, just like the Kyuubi. So there is nothing induced by favoritism here

-Taking 3 steps only takes a few seconds; again, that isn't a speed feat? See, biased opinion; you overlook that fact that that's all it needed to do.

Taking 3 steps=/=Running.
Crossing a large distance by moving=Speed feat.

Even if all it did was take a few steps? Does that change the fact it covered a large distance in a short time? No, so whether it ran or walked doesn't change my point, so arguing that it took a few steps doesn't help you here.

Bullsh*t

or maybe you just argue because you believe every Madara thread is only an excuse for his loss because you've seen so many and started to dislike Madara, which would induce favoritism toward Hashirama in debates with them.

I have no problem with Madara, In fact I like Madara based on his display in the anime, his cocky and condescending demeanor is a good fit. What I don't care for is fanboys senselessly wanking him, like you.

Every Madara thread isn't an excuse as to why he lost, just yours and some others I've seen.

I don't know what the slang "VoTE" means, but their destined battle is the final battle.

Madara and Hashirama fought countless times before, but it was only the final battle that was fated.

Where is your proof for this statement?

The concept goes with the theme of Peace through love triumphs over peace through power.....which is also why Obito lost. Destiny.

Again with this Madara lost because of destiny bullshit? Where did it even state that the Senju side is destined to defeat the Uchiha side? It only stated that their battle is destined. Not the outcome.

So not an excuse, you just want to sound intelligent and call other people idiots without accepting any sort of perspective.

"Madara lost because of plot" is an excuse no matter how you want to twist and turn it, and a pathetic one at that.

Madara lost because he was weaker. Nothing more, nothing less.

You would have to be at a fairly large distance to not get smacked by one of the Shinsuusnsenju's arms.The statue probaly has a reach that makes fighting it at a short distance pretty stupid.

There is this as well.

 

[Lightbringer]

The "logic" in this post almost killed me...........A meter away? Are you serious? Log off.




-We've already seen that its heavy given what it does to the ground and given the fact its not even fast. [

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I didn't say that its nimble solely because its chakra, I said that you can't transfer the feats from 50% Kurama Avatar to 100% Kurama when the chakra avatar is lighter than the flesh and bone Kurama who is not only far far larger than Kurama. Even if I'm wrong about the chakra part to an extent, the size difference alone flaws your whole argument.

Feats clearly show that its lighter, hence the Bijuu not being able to jump around like Naruto can in his Kurama Avatar.







Already addressed this, repeating it doesn't really help you.

A smaller lighter fox is going to be faster than a bigger heavier fox, are you now incapable of processing something as basic as this now? Lmao, the stupidity is killing me.



A meter? So a Mountain (Which is what's between them) is a meter? How stupid do you sound right now? A meter, lmao, Madara fanboys kill me with their bullshit. That distance is longer than the Kyuubi itself yet you come in here with your idiocy and say it was a meter? I guess by your shitty logic the Kyuubi isn't even a meter long :leaf: Why I don't take fanboys seriously.


Not really, as the scan clearly shows they were almost a Mountain apart, but of course, we have a fanboy here trying to say it was a meter distance...lmao.



Nah, mangna shows that its fast for its size.







You clearly don't know how to scale for shit if you think that they were a meter apart.

3.28084 feet

That is a meter, are you really sitting here and telling me that they were 3 feet apart? What a f*cking moron....






I never said how fast it was moving, I said that it was fast enough to run that distance (That had most of a Mountain separating them), reach out, and grab Kurama before he could react. That is a manga fact whether you can deal with it or not.


"Madara lost because of plot"

That is an excuse genius, or do you not even know that? Apparently you don't.


Never said you didn't. You saying he lost because of plot is the problem here.


Madara wasn't an idiot in battle because he didn't do something that wasn't even possible.

Yes I like Madara, but I'm not blinded



-States that Kurama and Buddha were a meter (3.2 feet apart) and says that he knows the limits to when it gets ridiculous? My god...not sure if serious. :|



I didn't claim that I knew how fast it was moving as stated above.

-It clearly ran.
-It clearly covered a large distance in that time, so its a speed feat.


Again with the 1 meter bullshit? I stopped taking you seriously right there.



I never said that I believe Shinsuusenju can outrun the Kyuubi. I simply said that Madara isn't getting out of its reach and firing off Bijuu Dama to destroy the statue before it comes and pounds Susanoo open just like it did in the manga.

Shinsuusenju being fast for its size=/=Being fast at all. I never stated it was fast in general, just like the Kyuubi. So there is nothing induced by favoritism here



Taking 3 steps=/=Running.
Crossing a large distance by moving=Speed feat.

Even if all it did was take a few steps? Does that change the fact it covered a large distance in a short time? No, so whether it ran or walked doesn't change my point, so arguing that it took a few steps doesn't help you here.





I have no problem with Madara, In fact I like Madara based on his display in the anime, his cocky and condescending demeanor is a good fit. What I don't care for is fanboys senselessly wanking him, like you.

Every Madara thread isn't an excuse as to why he lost, just yours and some others I've seen.






Again with this Madara lost because of destiny bullshit? Where did it even state that the Senju side is destined to defeat the Uchiha side? It only stated that their battle is destined. Not the outcome.



"Madara lost because of plot" is an excuse no matter how you want to twist and turn it, and a pathetic one at that.

Madara lost because he was weaker. Nothing more, nothing less.



There is this as well.

lol just as I thought, you can't even admit that you were wrong about the mountain distance part that you still argue it.


ok let me explain this as simple as possible for you

mountain distance.....yes I get there's a mountain between them.......but to the kyuubi and the shinsuusenju that mountain is about a meter in distance

now a mountain distance to a human sized person would be a few miles in length probably

so this boils down to their size. Again I'm scaling size so a mountain to them is a meter. Shinsuusenju had 2-3 steps to cover......it didn't cover miles of distance, only a meter

so that whole speed feat is non-existent

3.28084 feet

That is a meter, are you really sitting here and telling me that they were 3 feet apart?

-It clearly ran.
-It clearly covered a large distance in that time, so its a speed feat.

oh my mistake, it takes five steps with no gap between the feet to cover the kyuubi......which would make it about a 1.5 meters

which would also take the Shinsuusenju two regular steps to cover.


Are you finally able to comprehend this? Now go to bed Kid.

There's no point in arguing further since you're too bitter to see any flaws in your own pitiful justifications

This debate is no longer motivated by intelligence but of your own bigotry.

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[Flawž]

wank all you want, shinshuusenju takes on anything but the juubi.

 

[Lightbringer]

wank all you want, shinshuusenju takes on anything but the juubi.

you know the comparison I like to make with the kyuubi facing off against the shinsuusenju is this

Shinsuusenju= Tsunade(without summons)

Kyuubi= Deidara(flying)

Tsunade can tank Diedara's explosion, but only for so long until she finally succumbs.

She has no long ranged abilities, so she can't ever expect to reach him because she's all melee.

Well that's how Shinsuusenju and kyuubi is. Kyuubi will lose if it gets close, but from afar, at safe distance it can win.



I don't see how that's not improbable. It's a "what if" scenario.

 

[Flawž]

you know the comparison I like to make with the kyuubi facing off against the shinsuusenju is this

Shinsuusenju= Tsunade(without summons)

Kyuubi= Deidara(flying)

Tsunade can tank Diedara's explosion, but only for so long until she finally succumbs.

She has no long ranged abilities, so she can't ever expect to reach him because she's all melee.

Well that's how Shinsuusenju and kyuubi is. Kyuubi will lose if it gets close, but from afar, at safe distance it can win.

except Full kurama has no mobility feats whats so ever.

He gets grabbed again and one paneled by shinshuusenju with ease.

 

[Lightbringer]

except Full kurama has no mobility feats whats so ever.

He gets grabbed again and one paneled by shinshuusenju with ease.

so you honestly believe that Kurama can't run or jump, even though it's a fox and all the other bijuu are able to run or fly and even jump?

and you also believe that the shinsuusenju can outmaneuver the Kyuubi in speed?

 

[Flawž]

so you honestly believe that Kurama can't run or jump, even though it's a fox and all the other bijuu are able to run or fly and even jump?

and you also believe that the shinsuusenju can outmaneuver the Kyuubi in speed?

The shinsuusenju is aproxx 15-20 times larger than the kyuubi, Kyuubi cannot outrun shinsuusenju unless He learns FTG.

 

[Xlad]

Why didn't Madara just fire TBB laser straight at Hashirama? Anyways, it seems that PS Armor causes less mobility on Kurama and the Shinnsusenju is already overwhelming.

 

[Lightbringer]

The shinsuusenju is aproxx 15-20 times larger than the kyuubi, Kyuubi cannot outrun shinsuusenju unless He learns FTG.

so because the shinsuusenju is bigger and probably weighs kilotons more than the kyuubi, Kurama can't outrun it?

smaller animals can outrun humans even though we're much much bigger and stronger.

so I don't see how that even makes sense

 

[Flawž]

so because the shinsuusenju is bigger and probably weighs kilotons more than the kyuubi, Kurama can't outrun it?

smaller animals can outrun humans even though we're much much bigger and stronger.

so I don't see how that even makes sense

using IRL physics and math in naruto is not the right approach you should be looking at it with.

Kishi don't give a fock.

Kyuubi cannot outrun the shinshuusenju because of it's overwhelming size and reach.

Plus shinsuusenju has proved to be pretty quick when it grabbed the kyuubi before the kyuubi knew what was going on.

 

[Lightbringer]

using IRL physics and math in naruto is not the right approach you should be looking at it with.

Kishi don't give a fock.

Kyuubi cannot outrun the shinshuusenju because of it's overwhelming size and reach.

Plus shinsuusenju has proved to be pretty quick when it grabbed the kyuubi before the kyuubi knew what was going on.

I'm currently arguing this with kidgamer, and honestly no one knows how fast the Shinsuusenju is, let alone run. It was a few steps away from the kyuubi when it was summoned, it reaching and grabbing it wouldn't justify it's speed in running.

but scratch all that, cause I don't want to argue the same thing with another person.

Let's for arguments sake say that the Shinsuusenju is indeed slow and the Kyuubi is indeed fast, like how it is when Naruto's controlling it, running and jumping

would you then agree that my theory would be feasible?

 

[KidGamer65]

lol just as I thought, you can't even admit that you were wrong about the mountain distance part that you still argue it.

I'm not wrong at all, all it means is that they can cross large distances in short times due to their size. Does that mean they are fast? No. Not at all.

ok let me explain this as simple as possible for you

mountain distance.....yes I get there's a mountain between them.......but to the kyuubi and the shinsuusenju that mountain is about a meter in distance

Their size lets them cross that large distance, in no way shape or form does that mean that the distance to them is about a meter. Not to mention I see no back up for your meter bullshit. The lengths fanboys will go to prove their point.

now a mountain distance to a human sized person would be a few miles in length probably

Distance doesn't change based on size, not even getting where you

so this boils down to their size. Again I'm scaling size so a mountain to them is a meter. Shinsuusenju had 2-3 steps to cover......it didn't cover miles of distance, only a meter

No, it clearly covered miles of distance, but can do so in a short time due to its size. It covered the same distance, but isn't fast at all, due to its size. This nonsense you are spewing makes no sense, just like the nonsense of the other Madara wankers.

oh my mistake, it takes five steps with no gap between the feet to cover the kyuubi......which would make it about a 1.5 meters

which would also take the Shinsuusenju two regular steps to cover.


Are you finally able to comprehend this? Now go to bed Kid.

There's no point in arguing further since you're too bitter to see any flaws in your own pitiful justifications

This debate is no longer motivated by intelligence but of your own bigotry.

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This is why I can't take Madara fanboys seriously. They pull bullshit out of their asses to try and prove their point. Distance doesn't change based on size. You can moan about how its a meter to them but in the end, it doesn't change the fact that they covered that distance, which wasn't a meter at all.

-Distance is a Mountain's length. Established fact.

-You are basically arguing that the distance is perceived differently to them due to their size.

-Though the above doesn't affect my argument in any way, shape or form, as its established that the distance is a Mountain length, the only thing that this argument would disprove is me saying that the Buddha is fast due to the distance it covered in that time frame, but I never said it was fast, something I reiterated in my previous post.

-It doesn't need to be fast to prevent Madara from escaping as you stupidly claim because Kurama isn't fast on foot either. It doesn't need to outrun Kurama because of the reach of its hands, so proving Kurama is faster (most likely is) isn't helping you here.

The bold is the only thing I agree with you on. If you are going to keep on bringing bullshit to this argument then there is no point of me even bothering. Fanboys will be fanboys I guess.

 

[Transcendence]

KG solo'd this thread.

 

[Lightbringer]

I'm not wrong at all, all it means is that they can cross large distances in short times due to their size. Does that mean they are fast? No. Not at all.



Their size lets them cross that large distance, in no way shape or form does that mean that the distance to them is about a meter. Not to mention I see no back up for your meter bullshit. The lengths fanboys will go to prove their point.


Distance doesn't change based on size, not even getting where you


No, it clearly covered miles of distance, but can do so in a short time due to its size. It covered the same distance, but isn't fast at all, due to its size. This nonsense you are spewing makes no sense, just like the nonsense of the other Madara wankers.






This is why I can't take Madara fanboys seriously. They pull bullshit out of their asses to try and prove their point. Distance doesn't change based on size. You can moan about how its a meter to them but in the end, it doesn't change the fact that they covered that distance, which wasn't a meter at all.

-Distance is a Mountain's length. Established fact.

-You are basically arguing that the distance is perceived differently to them due to their size.

-Though the above doesn't affect my argument in any way, shape or form, as its established that the distance is a Mountain length, the only thing that this argument would disprove is me saying that the Buddha is fast due to the distance it covered in that time frame, but I never said it was fast, something I reiterated in my previous post.

-It doesn't need to be fast to prevent Madara from escaping as you stupidly claim because Kurama isn't fast on foot either. It doesn't need to outrun Kurama because of the reach of its hands, so proving Kurama is faster (most likely is) isn't helping you here.

The bold is the only thing I agree with you on. If you are going to keep on bringing bullshit to this argument then there is no point of me even bothering. Fanboys will be fanboys I guess.

lol "applauds"


you try too hard

You obviously know I never said that distance doesn't change with size and then you proceeded to state exactly what I was implying, that distance is perceived differently by their size

@bold, yes your argument is affected in more ways than you like because you originally tried to imply that the Shinsuusenju stood a great distance away from the kyuubi, not in the literal terms but in what they perceived, when in fact to them they were only a few steps away.

which would then go against the whole point of your argument trying to prove the Shinsuusenju actually ran at great speed toward the kyuubi.

You said it was fast for it's size, indicating that my theory of the kyuubi keeping his distance from the Shinsuusenju would be impossible because apparently in your own warped mind, the Shinsuusenju would be able to catch it within a few seconds.


it's thousand arms could have reached the kyuubi when it was summoned yes, but the hands don't grow in length......so if the kyuubi steps back, the Shinsuusenju would then have to try to get closer in order to be in range of grabbing the kyuubi.

so yeah, the kyuubi being faster than the Shinsuusenju would in fact prove my theory right.


you're a broken record, saying I'm a fanboy, whilst looking all high-and-mighty thinking you're hot-sh*t who's always right when I just proved you wrong.

I don't care anymore, just don't reply to me

 

[Aya San]

I'm not wrong at all, all it means is that they can cross large distances in short times due to their size. Does that mean they are fast? No. Not at all.



Their size lets them cross that large distance, in no way shape or form does that mean that the distance to them is about a meter. Not to mention I see no back up for your meter bullshit. The lengths fanboys will go to prove their point.


Distance doesn't change based on size, not even getting where you


No, it clearly covered miles of distance, but can do so in a short time due to its size. It covered the same distance, but isn't fast at all, due to its size. This nonsense you are spewing makes no sense, just like the nonsense of the other Madara wankers.






This is why I can't take Madara fanboys seriously. They pull bullshit out of their asses to try and prove their point. Distance doesn't change based on size. You can moan about how its a meter to them but in the end, it doesn't change the fact that they covered that distance, which wasn't a meter at all.

-Distance is a Mountain's length. Established fact.

-You are basically arguing that the distance is perceived differently to them due to their size.

-Though the above doesn't affect my argument in any way, shape or form, as its established that the distance is a Mountain length, the only thing that this argument would disprove is me saying that the Buddha is fast due to the distance it covered in that time frame, but I never said it was fast, something I reiterated in my previous post.

-It doesn't need to be fast to prevent Madara from escaping as you stupidly claim because Kurama isn't fast on foot either. It doesn't need to outrun Kurama because of the reach of its hands, so proving Kurama is faster (most likely is) isn't helping you here.

The bold is the only thing I agree with you on. If you are going to keep on bringing bullshit to this argument then there is no point of me even bothering. Fanboys will be fanboys I guess.

Do u take me seriously?

 

[KidGamer65]

lol "applauds"


you try too hard

You obviously know I never said that distance doesn't change with size and then you proceeded to state exactly what I was implying, that distance is perceived differently by their size

Ok then. Its irrelevant.

@bold, yes your argument is affected in more ways than you like because you originally tried to imply that the Shinsuusenju stood a great distance away from the kyuubi, not in the literal terms but in what they perceived, when in fact to them they were only a few steps away.

It did stand a good distance away from it, that fact doesn't change. The only thing that changes if how much distance it can travel at once due to its size, nor does this show me how how Kurama is going to completely avoid the Buddha's attack and blow it up with rapid fire Bijuu Dama.

which would then go against the whole point of your argument trying to prove the Shinsuusenju actually ran at great speed toward the kyuubi.

I said it crossed a large distance and grabbed Kurama before it could react (FACT, don't try and dispute it), I never said it ran at great speed. Is your stupidity preventing you from reading correctly? I think so.

You said it was fast for it's size, indicating that my theory of the kyuubi keeping his distance from the Shinsuusenju would be impossible because apparently in your own warped mind, the Shinsuusenju would be able to catch it within a few seconds.

Fast for its size doesn't mean that its fast in general, nor does that wording affect my argument whether or not its correct or incorrect as it doesn't invalidate the fact it covered a large distance in a short time due its size, not its speed.

Funny, I never said that, I do recall a certain fanboy talking about how its going to completely outrun its range despite the fact that its not even fast itself, and the fact that the Buddha can move (It being large even lets it cross more distance than Kurama can at once) , while Madara rapid fires Bijuu Dama at it, blowing it up...

you're a broken record, saying I'm a fanboy, whilst looking all high-and-mighty thinking your hot-sh*t who's always right when I just proved you wrong.

I don't care anymore, just don't reply to me

No, you really didn't. You only managed to twist my words around to try and make your argument seem like it beat mine, even though it beat something I was never arguing.

-You beat the Buddha being fast. I never said it was fast, I said it can cross large distances in short times. That is a fact no matter how hard you b*tch, moan and whine as the manga showed it. Don't like it? I don't care.

The bold is simply what you think, I don't care what I look like, nor do I think I'm hot shit just because of a post. Don't impose your stupid idiotic thoughts on me and try to say that they are mine, cause they aren't. This is a clear sign of butthurt.

Like I said, fanboys will be fanboys. Madara fanboys are definitely the worst as of now.

Do u take me seriously?

I've seen your threads...nobody can take you seriously. :|

 

[Aya San]

It's debatable, Sasuke and Itachi fanbase are up there

 

[KidGamer65]

It's debatable, Sasuke and Itachi fanbase are up there

Sasuke's fanbase is full of trolls, Itachi's is also full of trolls.

 

[GrayParadise]

I agree.
It's silly to think that huge think is faster than Kurama. It will get dusted in no time, simply because speed is one of Kurama's gimmicks and what he's been renowned for since Naruto pulled out his Avatar.