[VS] Tobirama vs Itachi

[pateuvasiliu]

Itachi has the capability and means to take this match with a high diff. People also forget that itachi can also perform Kage bushin which means clones with sussano and Amamterasu and Tysukytomi.

Fanfiction to the fu cking max.

Itachi was so hurt by using Tsukuyomi that he couldn't dodge 2 shuriken and you are telling me he can use Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi while having a clone up, or worse, that his clones can do it.

Don't be ridiculous.

 

[EKSITE]

I love tobirama and all but i have to give this to Itachi . Since a young age he has been studying the origin of the village i believe that's of Tobirama and the shinobi that came before him like Hiruzen has stated

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I believe the combination of 3 of Itachi techniques would beat tobirama

 

[EKSITE]

Fanfiction to the fu cking max.

Itachi was so hurt by using Tsukuyomi that he couldn't dodge 2 shuriken and you are telling me he can use Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi while having a clone up, or worse, that his clones can do it.

Don't be ridiculous.

Your talking about a unhealthy Itachi with low stamina even in that fight he was able to use 6 Amaterasu in that fight it appeared 6x in that fight

1st

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2nd 3rd 4th 5th maybe even a 6th time

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[pateuvasiliu]

Doesn't work like that.

Amaterasu can be activated and then channeled. It doesn't mean he used it 6 times, merely that he used it once for a minute or so.

Let's also not forget Itachi was high on drugs to keep him alive. I'd even consider that prep. He managed to keep his chakra intact longer than Sasuke. Obviously a sick man could not do that without medicine.

 

[Red Slayer]

Itachi wins.

 

[Zexion~]

Tobirama is familiar with Enton so by default should be familiar with Amaterasu [

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] add in the fact that Tobirama can sense Amaterasu coming by sensing Itachi focusing his chakra on his eyes [

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], then I don't see what stops Tobirama from using Hiraishin to get away or even out run it.

First off if this happens at the beggining of the match its invalid, as he must mark something through physical touch before using FTG, so he obviously would not have been able to touch anything that would allow him to escape the range of the jutsu therefore he still gets hit with it, whether he can sense it or not, unless you think he's faster then Ay (which he clearly isn't)

Also Minato was hit by Sasuke's and Naruto's Jutsu but wasn't burned by Amaterasu after he got Hiraishin'd [

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So your saying FTG is the all mighty counter to amertarasu, no he most likely FTG'd away before the jutsu touched him,

Tobirama should be able to teleport Susano'o the same way he did with Obito's TBB Ball thing [

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] or he could use Hiraishin Gōshun Mawashi no Jutsu with a Kage Bunshin.

No because for that to happen he must get close to the Susano'o and physically touch it, and since he can't get near him with the FTG he has shown, he Get's Sealed or Burnt to a crisp if he tries not to mention Itachi could simply put it down and then activate it again,

Tobirama could make Kage Bunshins, add in his Senju chakra pool, and he should be able to create a lot, all of which has his swords which he can mark and spread it around like Minato's Kunai.

That's false because the seal of FTG has to contain chakra, and the clone jutsu is not spreading chakra into all the seals, could he do it manually? Yes but it would take time, and by that time he gets ended quickly

Tobirama without Hiraishin was able to hold Obito's TBB Ball thing before KCM Minato could, with base speed alone U_U [

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] I'm sure he won't have problem dodging Amaterasu considering he can sense it and is familiar with it and has Hiraishin worst case scenario. Hiraishin doesn't teleport Amaterasu with the user btw.

Don't know why you keep saying FTG is the savior for all his problem's his is worthless without having other people to distract the opponent enabling him to put up seals U_U Also there's nothing to suggest the distance he traveled in that period of time, not to mention it most likely was a FTG , Don't know why you said it was base speed.

Genjutsu is countered by Kage Bunshin, Tsukuyomi won't hit Tobirama since he doesn't need eye contact to fight since he's a sensor, and he has intel, lets not forget he was fighting with the Uchiha ever since he was a kid. Exploding clone feints aren't really working since Tobirama can sense, he would be aware that there is a clone, Tobirama can easily Hiraishin out of it and Itachi can't really spam it when taking account he's chakra and stamina levels.

No sensing does not grant you the ability to tell whether a clone is a clone or not, As they both have chakra (Don't make me get the scan of Neji at the chunnin exams) Not really Clone's are not taking out that much chakra from him, its the MS techniques that drain him

The rest of Itachi's arsenal aren't special, Katon: Gōkakyū no Jutsu, Katon: Hōsenka no Jutsu, Katon: Hōsenka Tsumabeni are countered by Suiton: Suiryūdan no Jutsu which Tobirama can perform with one handseal and is bigger, and of a higher rank than Itachi's Jutsu not to mention Suiton>Katon. Bunshin Daibakuha are simply Hiraishin'd out of or dodged considering Tobirama has full intel. Even if Susano'o can't be teleported by Tobirama, it isn't hitting him and its just a matter of time until Itachi can't hold up it anymore and after that Tobirama can easily mark him and finish him off with Hiraishingiri or use his fodder Edo to perform Gojō Kibaku Fuda or even just decapitate him.

Yes Itachi wins With MS techniques


This ends Tobirama and his puny FTG

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It would cover a range tobirama could not escape :|

 

[Deathwink]

i have that feel that tobirama can take this.tobirama wins

 

[LeEvilTongue]

Tobirama wins mid diff!!
Too many wrist-cutters on NB, i swear..

 

[Mellanoma]

Fanfiction to the fu cking max.

Itachi was so hurt by using Tsukuyomi that he couldn't dodge 2 shuriken and you are telling me he can use Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi while having a clone up, or worse, that his clones can do it.

Don't be ridiculous.

As for Ribcage, while the Water Dragon jutsu will not destroy it, the water will simply carry him away or drown him. Susanoo obviously has holes in it, else the user would not be able to breathe.

all based off of a fight he wanted to burn all his chakra out so sasuke could kill him YET he out lasted Sasuke AND died of his illness. I love how you make hypothetical situations like water seeping through susanoo yet say everything else is fanfiction.. Contradictions at it's finest

 

[Optimistic]

Kage Bushins spread the remaining chakra of an individual evenly out between the clones. Itachi can only use MS techniques three times a day without risk of death, hell, an Itachi at 30% couldn't even use MS techniques once so what you are suggesting is impossible.

Let me show you what Itachi's stamina is all about.Before he even fought against Sausage in the Uchiha hideout he sent 2 clones to Nardo and Sausage.That's already a large chunk of his chakra gone then came the actual fight he used genjutsu numerous of times then used Tsukyomi on Sausage, after that he amaterasu more than 4 times along with using V2 Susano'o then he jumped straight to V4 and then finally transferred his power to Sausage using willpower alone.His stamina is used as an excuse for him not using MS moves when the manga itself shows Itachi outlasting Sausage and using MS moves more than people claim.I forgot to mention he used another kage bunshin during the Sausage fight in the hideout.

OT: Full intel? Stacked, absolutely in Tobirama's favour.

Actually it plays into Itachi's favor, he knows how FTG works since its full knowledge obviously he'll make sure Tobirama doesn't touch him since Tobirama cannot do a thing unless he touches Itachi.

* Limited use of three MS techniques before his life is in danger.

Already countered.

* Amaterasu can be sensed by Tobirama and evaded via Hirashin.

How can he dodge if he hasn't tagged anything? He can sense it but he doesn't have the reflexes and speed that rivals Ay in V2 form.He cannot dodge it his FTG isn't Minato's his FTG only comes to play if he tags the opponent.FACT

* Tsukuyomi won't factor as Tobirama has intel and can theoretically fight with his eyes closed due to being a sensor.

Need proof for that claim.Only people who can fight with their eyes closed are hyuuga's and SM users.

* Katon will not even factor as its weak against Suiton.

Katon isn't needed

* Living Itachi (Magical prime was never specified.) can't maintain Susano'o for extended periods without dying, eluding to the chance that even if he offs Tobirama with Totsuka - who has full intel (As does Itachi.) he will die during or after the fight. If he were to pump out Susano'o Tobirama can merely hold his distance as the moment Itachi uses it he's acting on limited time.

Countered the stamina bit.

once contact is made they can simply teleport Itachi's Susano'o away from him leaving him exposed.

Itachi can bring his Susano'o back up again and i highly doubt Tobirama will even tag Itachi.

All in all, Tobirama's superior Chakra reserves alow him the possibility of outlasting Itachi. The physical strains of Susano'o on Itachi along with his overusing of the MS is what killed him the last time, Tobirama can push him just like Sasuke did.

Once again the stamina is being brought up i've already explained how many jutsu Itachi can use.Tobirama isn't doing anything unless he touches his opponents end of.

 

[genii96]

This fight is close,toibirama fought uchihas a lot,and thus,knows how to fight without lookng at their eyes, his sensory skills will also aid this. His reflexes llowed him to place an ftg seal and explosive tags in the second his arm got ripped off. Dont know who wins,50/50

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

I'll try my best to have a rebuttal out for you, Tim.

 

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First off if this happens at the beggining of the match its invalid, as he must mark something through physical touch before using FTG, so he obviously would not have been able to touch anything that would allow him to escape the range of the jutsu therefore he still gets hit with it, whether he can sense it or not, unless you think he's faster then Ay (which he clearly isn't)

He can use Kage Bunshin, all of which has his swords which he can mark and spread just like Minato's Kunai, he could also mark his Kage Bunshins, don't forget he's a Senju so he can create a lot. Besides even if he gets hit, Hiraishin would remove the black flames as shown here [

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So your saying FTG is the all mighty counter to amertarasu, no he most likely FTG'd away before the jutsu touched him

Yes, Hiraishin won't travel the black flames with the user, he clearly got hit. Minato was pushed back by the attack [

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No because for that to happen he must get close to the Susano'o and physically touch it, and since he can't get near him with the FTG he has shown, he Get's Sealed or Burnt to a crisp if he tries not to mention Itachi could simply put it down and then activate it again.

And getting close is an issue why? Tobirama has Shunshin btw He was fast enough to reach the Obito's ball thing without Hiraishin before Minato could reach it. I already provided the scans. Burnt to crisp? With Amaterasu? I already explained how he could evade it and another way of him stopping Amaterasu is blocking Itachi's line of vision with Suiton: Suijinheki [

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] I would like to remind you Itachi can't spam his Mangekyō Technique.

That's false because the seal of FTG has to contain chakra, and the clone jutsu is not spreading chakra into all the seals, could he do it manually? Yes but it would take time, and by that time he gets ended quickly.

A single touch and its already marked, it takes way less time than any of Itachi's Jutsu that's for sure.

Don't know why you keep saying FTG is the savior for all his problem's his is worthless without having other people to distract the opponent enabling him to put up seals U_U Also there's nothing to suggest the distance he traveled in that period of time, not to mention it most likely was a FTG , Don't know why you said it was base speed.

Well its not like Tobirama has a long list of Jutsu in his arsenal All Tobirama needs to do is form one hand seal to make Kage Bunshin touch his swords or his clones and his ready to go. You're making it sound like Tobirama needs a lot of time to do that, yes Itachi can intervene but there are clones there to protect him, he's also quite fast, considering he set up Gojō Kibaku Fuda on Obito without any interruption and even Minato praised him for that. He doesn't have seals on Minato, Naruto, Sasuke or even the ball, so he couldn't have used Hiraishin.

No sensing does not grant you the ability to tell whether a clone is a clone or not, As they both have chakra (Don't make me get the scan of Neji at the chunnin exams) Not really Clone's are not taking out that much chakra from him, its the MS techniques that drain him.

What I meant is Tobirama would know that one of the "Itachis" is a clone because he's only opponent here is Itachi and he has intel, so he would know that Itachi is capable of Bunshin Daibakuha. Bushins split the chakra evenly, if it doesn't then Tobirama would know which is a Bunshin and which is not since the one with more chakra is the real Itachi. In any case Bunshin Daibakuha doesn't present any kind of harm to Itachi since he can't use MS techniques with a clone.

Yes Itachi wins With MS techniques


This ends Tobirama and his puny FTG

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It would cover a range tobirama could not escape :|

It cut giant snakes...that's impressive :|

Tobirama can easily side-step that especially considering he has Hiraishin. The Totsuka no Tsugiri doesn't create shockwaves like Madara's Perfect Susano'o sword. Tobirama can use Hiraishin and teleport it like he did with the ball or use Hiraishin Gōshun Mawashi no Jutsu with a Kage Bunshin to remove Susano'o.

 

[KidGamer65]

I'd like to point out that Hiraishin won't cause the flames to disappear if the user gets hit. Here is my post to another person.

None of that black fire touched Minato.

-You can see the Rasengan on

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of the Flame Shuriken.

-Notice how the once flat Shuriken starts to

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That is why only the Rasengan in the middle made contact with Minato. Not the actual fire.

Not to mention it makes absolutely zero sense for what you're saying to be true. How are the flames going to touch Minato? But then result in him not getting lit on fire? Or rather like you said how is he going to teleport without taking the flames with him if they had really touched him?

Obito was able to

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. I fail to see why he would be on fire from Amaterasu but not take the flame with him.

Its rather obvious that the flames didn't touch him. FTG isn't going to magically make the flame vanish from his body.

 

[Zexion~]

He can use Kage Bunshin, all of which has his swords which he can mark and spread just like Minato's Kunai, he could also mark his Kage Bunshins, don't forget he's a Senju so he can create a lot. Besides even if he gets hit, Hiraishin would remove the black flames as shown here [

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So your saying he is going to be able to physically touch every sword that he needs too before Itachi can use amertarasu,Not happening,And again thats wrong as if Minato were hit by the technique it would of expanded and the flames would of traveled to him and you would of been able to see the flames on him before he used FTG, so no FTG does not remove black flames, false assumption

Yes, Hiraishin won't travel the black flames with the user, he clearly got hit. Minato was pushed back by the attack [

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He jumped back as to not get hit, again the point was to trick Obito so he would get hit, the attack would not of sustained hitting Minato to be able to then hit Obito.

And getting close is an issue why? Tobirama has Shunshin btw He was fast enough to reach the Obito's ball thing without Hiraishin before Minato could reach it. I already provided the scans. Burnt to crisp? With Amaterasu? I already explained how he could evade it and another way of him stopping Amaterasu is blocking Itachi's line of vision with Suiton: Suijinheki [

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] I would like to remind you Itachi can't spam his Mangekyō Technique.

Nothing to suggest he Didn't use FTG, not that it matters, and i already explained that your method of him avoiding amertarasu as complete Bull, so yes he does get burnt to a crisp. He has no need to spam the MS this is enough to take Tobirama down U_U

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A single touch and its already marked, it takes way less time than any of Itachi's Jutsu that's for sure.

And whats he going to do transport the susano'o leaving itachi there which then leads to him getting amertarasu'd in the face lol foolish plan

Well its not like Tobirama has a long list of Jutsu in his arsenal All Tobirama needs to do is form one hand seal to make Kage Bunshin touch his swords or his clones and his ready to go. You're making it sound like Tobirama needs a lot of time to do that, yes Itachi can intervene but there are clones there to protect him, he's also quite fast, considering he set up Gojō Kibaku Fuda on Obito without any interruption and even Minato praised him for that. He doesn't have seals on Minato, Naruto, Sasuke or even the ball, so he couldn't have used Hiraishin.

Touching the swords take longer then you are saying, and when those clones intervene that's less seals he has now wasted time on, and i don't see why he did not place seals on them all, he was able to place seals on Obito without us (the readers) Knowing, no reason he could not do the same with his allies.

What I meant is Tobirama would know that one of the "Itachis" is a clone because he's only opponent here is Itachi and he has intel, so he would know that Itachi is capable of Bunshin Daibakuha. Bushins split the chakra evenly, if it doesn't then Tobirama would know which is a Bunshin and which is not since the one with more chakra is the real Itachi. In any case Bunshin Daibakuha doesn't present any kind of harm to Itachi since he can't use MS techniques with a clone.

Same goes To tobirama, except Itachi has the added advantage of knowing WHEN Tobirama creates clones, as he can read hand signs with his Sharingan, Unlike Tobirama who would have no clue as Itachi's hand speed is too fast for the normal eye too see, Even with Sharingan, So he can still be ambushed by clones any time

It cut giant snakes...that's impressive :|

Tobirama can easily side-step that especially considering he has Hiraishin. The Totsuka no Tsugiri doesn't create shockwaves like Madara's Perfect Susano'o sword. Tobirama can use Hiraishin and teleport it like he did with the ball or use Hiraishin Gōshun Mawashi no Jutsu with a Kage Bunshin to remove Susano'o.

*sigh* I did not post that scan for its feat i posted it for the speed it shows you can't even see the sword as it slices through the snake, Tobirama would have no time to react to a sweep of the sword that covers a VAST area..The swords range is large hes not side stepping that U_U

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Tobirama loses quicker then Oro ...

 

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Tobirama is familiar with Enton so by default should be familiar with Amaterasu [

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] add in the fact that Tobirama can sense Amaterasu coming by sensing Itachi focusing his chakra on his eyes [

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], then I don't see what stops Tobirama from using Hiraishin to get away or even out run it. Also Minato was hit by Sasuke's and Naruto's Jutsu but wasn't burned by Amaterasu after he got Hiraishin'd [

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Tobirama should be able to teleport Susano'o the same way he did with Obito's TBB Ball thing [

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] or he could use Hiraishin Gōshun Mawashi no Jutsu with a Kage Bunshin.

Tobirama could make Kage Bunshins, add in his Senju chakra pool, and he should be able to create a lot, all of which has his swords which he can mark and spread it around like Minato's Kunai.

Tobirama without Hiraishin was able to hold Obito's TBB Ball thing before KCM Minato could, with base speed alone U_U [

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] I'm sure he won't have problem dodging Amaterasu considering he can sense it and is familiar with it and has Hiraishin worst case scenario. Hiraishin doesn't teleport Amaterasu with the user btw.

Genjutsu is countered by Kage Bunshin, Tsukuyomi won't hit Tobirama since he doesn't need eye contact to fight since he's a sensor, and he has intel, lets not forget he was fighting with the Uchiha ever since he was a kid. Exploding clone feints aren't really working since Tobirama can sense, he would be aware that there is a clone, Tobirama can easily Hiraishin out of it and Itachi can't really spam it when taking account he's chakra and stamina levels.

The rest of Itachi's arsenal aren't special, Katon: Gōkakyū no Jutsu, Katon: Hōsenka no Jutsu, Katon: Hōsenka Tsumabeni are countered by Suiton: Suiryūdan no Jutsu which Tobirama can perform with one handseal and is bigger, and of a higher rank than Itachi's Jutsu not to mention Suiton>Katon. Bunshin Daibakuha are simply Hiraishin'd out of or dodged considering Tobirama has full intel. Even if Susano'o can't be teleported by Tobirama, it isn't hitting him and its just a matter of time until Itachi can't hold up it anymore and after that Tobirama can easily mark him and finish him off with Hiraishingiri or use his fodder Edo to perform Gojō Kibaku Fuda or even just decapitate him.

The first part is wrong beyond belief. He sensed SASUKE was using amaterasu by focusing chakra in his left eye. Lmao.

The second part.. you think Tobirama can teleport an entire Susano'O? My god.. I am tired of all of this Tobirama wank. I hate itachi with a PASSION, but seriously, quit wanking tobirama, you are basing this purely on speculation.

Furthermore, check the bases of Gōshun Mawashi.

This technique requires two persons that are able to use the Flying Thunder God Technique. Both persons will mark each other with their respective seals, this grants them the ability to switch their positions at any point in time during a battle.

You need two different seals. It only worked due to Minato's Hiraishin seal being different kanji than Tobirama's. In any case, he's not going to mark him, nor will he teleport Susano'O. Furthermore, Gojō Kibaku Fuda is an EDO TENSEI TECHNIQUE. I DO NOT HAVE TO KEEP EXPLAINING THIS, DRILL IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD(S).

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This technique forms part of a fighting style purposely designed for those who have been reincarnated, and employs the use of special explosive tags to create a near infinite series of explosions.

Itachi, low, but mid to not get neg repped.

 

[Shura]

Itachi clearly wins this.​

 

[KidGamer65]

What do you mean the whole match?

We both know that he can't use 2 MS techniques after each other, since using Tsukuyomi crippled him and Amaterasu is even more straining.

After Itachi used Susanoo, Final version ( which he needs against edos ) he went nearly blind and could barely see.

As for Ribcage, while the Water Dragon jutsu will not destroy it, the water will simply carry him away or drown him. Susanoo obviously has holes in it, else the user would not be able to breathe.

I mean it'll be hard for him to place his markings when Itachi is pressuring him with Susanoo, since Tobirama doesn't have marked Kunai like Minato.

I didn't say he had to use them right after each other.

Yeah, he went blind after he just had his fight with Sasuke where he got his Tsukuyomi broken, used Amaterasu twice in large quantities, defeated Oro with Final Susanoo and then tanked some of Sasuke's attacks with a Complete Susanoo.

The water carrying him away is understandable, but drowning him? lol, not happening. If Susanoo worked how you said it worked, he would have been killed by Mei's lava

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. There are no holes in Susanoo, tricks like that won't get attacks to bypass its defense.

 

[Penguin]

There are some really good arguments for both sides. Just gotta neg rep the trolls who put one word answers now.

 

[Zexion~]

Lol Itachi V.S Tobirama is the new Itachi V.S Minato


In terms of arguing -.-

The battle itself is no where near as close