[VS] Tobirama vs Itachi

[Zexion~]

*sigh* His clones will touch their respective swords. In any case Suiton: Suijinheki blocks Itachi's line of vision. But yeah I was wrong about Hiraishin not removing the black flames.

Oh yes forgot about that, however you still have not provided a valid counter as to how he counters a one shot from Amertarasu, not your fault tho, he simply can't

I disagree but in any case Hiraishin would teleport the black flames.

What he can't place a seal on flame so he is not teleporting them ...

Dude he had no seals whatsoever, you're pretty much saying Tobirama can Hiraishin anywhere he wants without seals. That won't work when Suiton: Suijinheki is blocking his vision.

I'm saying he could of tagged him when they were still next to each other before the fight or something , regardless there's nothing saying how far he traveled could of been simply a foot away, the water wall blocks TOBIRAMA'S vision too and he then gets sealed by totska bad move on his part
He can't spam MS techs one after the other, and he has clones there.

Not really, the clones just need to remove the swords and the seals are already there. It would have been stated then, it was stated that he had a mark on Obito, why wouldn't Kishi say he had a mark on his allies?

No Obito had a mark from his encounter with Minato, tobirama did not place anything on him, and my other point still stands about the distance

Only problem is Itachi's chakra reserves aren't nearly as close as Tobirama's. And he won't be able to use his MS techs with his clones. Tobirama is a sensor, so no one is getting ambushed.

/sigh nothing say's he can't use MS techniques with clones people just make a false assumption based on his sickness, but Tim already proved he has high stamina

I'm sorry but Tobirama's reaction feats suggest otherwise, marking Obito without Obito even noticing, setting up Gojō Kibaku Fuda on Obito, and even using Hirashin Gōshun Mawashi exactly on the same time with Minato U_U

Saying words and thinking thoughts are not reaction feats, and he placed nothing on Obito ..Pretty sure it was Minato's seal he used

I believe Tobirama can use Hiraishin to dodge it.

How the hell is he using FTG when he can't mark anywhere else thats not in touching distance ..he can't

 

[KidGamer65]

lol, did you read the new chapter?

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[Zexion~]

lol, did you read the new chapter?

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Oh , no actually i glanced over it .

He says last time he touched him..

So either way its not a reaction feat or a speed feat not like he did it stealthily

 

[KidGamer65]

Oh , no actually i glanced over it ..

Understandable, nothing really happened plot wise Lol.

 

[Zexion~]

Understandable, nothing really happened plot wise Lol.

Lmao XD not really into this whole fight, only glanced over it too see what the hype was all about .. Ill see it when it comes into English dub ......Some day

 

[KidGamer65]

Lmao XD not really into this whole fight, only glanced over it too see what the hype was all about .. Ill see it when it comes into English dub ......Some day

lol, you'll be waiting for years.

 

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Oh yes forgot about that, however you still have not provided a valid counter as to how he counters a one shot from Amertarasu, not your fault tho, he simply can't

Itachi can't Amaterasu what he can't see

What he can't place a seal on flame so he is not teleporting them ...

I meant if Tobirama got hit with Amaterasu and uses Hiraishin, he would still be burned by the black flames

I'm saying he could of tagged him when they were still next to each other before the fight or something , regardless there's nothing saying how far he traveled could of been simply a foot away, the water wall blocks TOBIRAMA'S vision too and he then gets sealed by totska bad move on his part.

Eh even if it was he did it before KCM Minato and not to mention he reached the battlefield before Sasuke and Sasuke was able to keep up with Itachi. Tobirama is a sensor

No Obito had a mark from his encounter with Minato, tobirama did not place anything on him, and my other point still stands about the distance

Nah Tobirama's mark is different from Minato and he said he did it himself [

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/sigh nothing say's he can't use MS techniques with clones people just make a false assumption based on his sickness, but Tim already proved he has high stamina

A 30% clone couldn't use his MS, so that means Itachi requires over 30% of his chakra to perform MS techniques. So he would've to split his chakra evenly to a clone so that clone could perform MS techs. In any case Tobirama has counters to them, and using clones would just deplete Itachi's chakra.

Saying words and thinking thoughts are not reaction feats, and he placed nothing on Obito ..Pretty sure it was Minato's seal he used

He performed a Jutsu on the exact moment Minato did and that was exactly before Minato got hit by Naruto and Sasuke's Jutsu. He still set up Gojō Kibaku Fuda which Minato praised him for and Tobirama did it, I already proved it U_U

How the hell is he using FTG when he can't mark anywhere else thats not in touching distance ..he can't

Totsuka no Tsugiri's range of effect is not the whole battlefield lol , otherwise the whole place they were fighting in would have been destroyed and lets be honest the Totsuka no Tsugiri has only hit unsuspecting, immobile ninjas and giant targets. I seriously don't see it hitting an S/T user :erm:

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

He was able to get to the ball without Hiraishin before KCM Minato could despite Minato being right beside it. Although it could've been a plot moment so I won't make any more comments on it.

You're missing my point. My initial point was: have you any idea how far Tobirama was from Minato in the first place? Secondly, how do you know how much time he had to travel towards Minato to remove him of the orb? Like I said, Tobirama hadn't made an appearance the entire chapter prior to this one, so we can't address the questions above. Bottom line is, passing this off as a speed feat is completely moot, as you, as well as I, know nothing of the mechanics behind Tobirama's actions.

 

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You're missing my point. My initial point was: have you any idea how far Tobirama was from Minato in the first place? Secondly, how do you know how much time he had to travel towards Minato to remove him of the orb? Like I said, Tobirama hadn't made an appearance the entire chapter prior to this one, so we can't address the questions above. Bottom line is, passing this off as a speed feat is completely moot, as you, as well as I, know nothing of the mechanics behind Tobirama's actions.

I know what you meant, I passed it off as a speed feat because he was able to do something before KCM Minato could've and Minato was clearly closer to the ball than anyone else and like I said its probably a plot moment that allowed him to do that, so I'll wait for more feats before saying Tobirama is that fast.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

I know what you meant, I passed it off as a speed feat because he was able to do something before KCM Minato could've and Minato was clearly closer to the ball than anyone else and like I said its probably a plot moment that allowed him to do that, so I'll wait for more feats before saying Tobirama is that fast.

You just can't wait can you

 

[Ryanel]

You're missing my point. My initial point was: have you any idea how far Tobirama was from Minato in the first place? Secondly, how do you know how much time he had to travel towards Minato to remove him of the orb? Like I said, Tobirama hadn't made an appearance the entire chapter prior to this one, so we can't address the questions above. Bottom line is, passing this off as a speed feat is completely moot, as you, as well as I, know nothing of the mechanics behind Tobirama's actions.

why is it not a speed feat? he got from whereever he was standing to the ball before minato did and give it back to obito. If you read the other chaperters before this one he is nowhere near them since minato teleported them away from his edo bomb jitsu. So to me its a speed feat

 

[Zexion~]

Itachi can't Amaterasu what he can't see

Your right and tobirama can't dodge what he can't see totska

I meant if Tobirama got hit with Amaterasu and uses Hiraishin, he would still be burned by the black flames

Oh ...alright

Eh even if it was he did it before KCM Minato and not to mention he reached the battlefield before Sasuke and Sasuke was able to keep up with Itachi. Tobirama is a sensor

KCM minato was being destroyed though, not much he could of done ..He cared more hence why he showed up first

Nah Tobirama's mark is different from Minato and he said he did it himself [

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Yes yes i know now

A 30% clone couldn't use his MS, so that means Itachi requires over 30% of his chakra to perform MS techniques. So he would've to split his chakra evenly to a clone so that clone could perform MS techs. In any case Tobirama has counters to them, and using clones would just deplete Itachi's chakra.

That's already been proven wrong as Itachi has used the MS more then 4 times, he simply did not want to hurt any more leaf ninja

He performed a Jutsu on the exact moment Minato did and that was exactly before Minato got hit by Naruto and Sasuke's Jutsu. He still set up Gojō Kibaku Fuda which Minato praised him for and Tobirama did it, I already proved it U_U

Performing a jutsu is different from evading totska

Totsuka no Tsugiri's range of effect is not the whole battlefield lol , otherwise the whole place they were fighting in would have been destroyed and lets be honest the Totsuka no Tsugiri has only hit unsuspecting, immobile ninjas and giant targets. I seriously don't see it hitting an S/T user :erm:

Yes but Tobirama can't FTG the whole battle field, unless he has seals everywhere.. And its never been swung in that way at a living person, if it did it would be devastating, and its hitting an S/T user that can not teleport anywhere without touching the place first

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

why is it not a speed feat? he got from whereever he was standing to the ball before minato did and give it back to obito. If you read the other chaperters before this one he is nowhere near them since minato teleported them away from his edo bomb jitsu. So to me its a speed feat

@Bold

"Wherever he was standing"

That's what I'm trying to say. We don't know how far he was from Minato in the first place, meaning, we cannot make judgement. Yeah, he gave it back to Obito due to his tagging him prior [

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As for your second point, not really. This is when Tobirama used the jutsu, and we can clearly see Gamakichi, as well as Minato and co [

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And finally, we have no idea as to when Tobirama came back into commission. No appearance last chapter, due to him regenerating, but we don't know exactly when his body had regenerated. Time is a key factor in making last ditch saves like those, and we don't know exactly how much time Tobirama had to perform such an act. Assuming is irrelevant, which is what I'm trying to say.

 

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Your right and tobirama can't dodge what he can't see totska

hmm He's a sensor and has full intel 0.o

KCM minato was being destroyed though, not much he could of done ..He cared more hence why he showed up first.

Never mind that, and I'm sure Sasuke cares, he said he doesn't want Itachi's effort to go to waste and etc. Sasuke loves Itachi more than anyone else so that's a false assumption

Yes yes i know now

Sorry, I didn't see KidGamer's comment.

That's already been proven wrong as Itachi has used the MS more then 4 times, he simply did not want to hurt any more leaf ninja

Tobirama still has counters to his MS techs, using clones and MS techs just further depletes his chakra.

Performing a jutsu is different from evading totska

It shows he has the necessary reaction feats to evade Totsuka with Hiraishin.

Yes but Tobirama can't FTG the whole battle field, unless he has seals everywhere.. And its never been swung in that way at a living person, if it did it would be devastating, and its hitting an S/T user that can not teleport anywhere without touching the place first

Like I said, Tobirama can use clones and spread his marked swords to survive. He also could just teleport Susano'o before Itachi goes V4.

The only way I see Itachi winning is if he goes V4 from the start and attacks Tobirama :eww:

 

[Zexion~]

hmm He's a sensor and has full intel 0.o


Never mind that, and I'm sure Sasuke cares, he said he doesn't want Itachi's effort to go to waste and etc. Sasuke loves Itachi more than anyone else so that's a false assumption

Sorry, I didn't see KidGamer's comment.

Tobirama still has counters to his MS techs, using clones and MS techs just further depletes his chakra.


It shows he has the necessary reaction feats to evade Totsuka with Hiraishin.

Like I said, Tobirama can use clones and spread his marked swords to survive. He also could just teleport Susano'o before Itachi goes V4.

The only way I see Itachi winning is if he goes V4 from the start and attacks Tobirama :eww:

Lmao nah he wins low diff right off the bat with Amertarasu.. but nice posts you were making ..getting a little tired XD

 

[Sacrosanct]

Damn dude. This is what happens when I'm gone?

 

[enditallsin]

Tobirama win's, because amateratsu and tsukiyomi require chakra build up,and tobirama could easily sense and counter itachi,especially since tobirama's been fighting the uchiha for so long that countering the ability's of one may come as second nature,especially with the move set tobirama has..

 

[deidara senpai]

Well if the edo tenseis are fodder then. It shouldn't be a big deal totska is itachis only sealing tech and it will get the job done though it could hurt itachi since the MS but I think itachi takes this, tobiramas FTG isn't as good as minatos since he does t have the Kunai and needs to touch itachi for it to work

Since its full knowledge I would def go with itachi since he could use Amaterasu before tobirama uses FTG but that just seems to easy he is a hokage afterall but in the end I see itachi winning since he would know to keep his distance and if he does the only thing he has to worry about then is is suiton which won't do much against Susano

Itachi wins with a 6 but could end up as 7

 

[pateuvasiliu]

He doesn't need the kunais. He can make clones which can in turn tag trees, rocks, the ground, Itachi, edos, whatever.

 

[LeoH]

If the fight go on the distance then Tobirama will win due to stamina.. Itachi should finish Tobirama immediately with Susano, amaterasu, or put tobirama in genjutsu. However, Tobirama has significant battle experience fighting uchiha's so he can hold his ground and put up a decent fight.=D